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Bratt for Caufield

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Équipe: 2022-23 Devils du New Jersey
Date de création initiale: 4 nov. 2022
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4 nov. 2022 à 5 h 18
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take out the 1st 2023 and Devils add Nemec and Habs may answer the phone ... we'd rather keep Caufield
4 nov. 2022 à 5 h 31
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Devils lose both trades quite handsomely, they are a lot worse off trading Severson and Bratt away.
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4 nov. 2022 à 5 h 44
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You get good value for Bratt but give Severson away for free?
4 nov. 2022 à 6 h 27
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4 nov. 2022 à 6 h 32
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yeah, montreal will keep their younger player for their rebuild.
4 nov. 2022 à 6 h 37
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Quoting: habitantlecolon
take out the 1st 2023 and Devils add Nemec and Habs may answer the phone ... we'd rather keep Caufield


......what?!?!?!
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4 nov. 2022 à 6 h 46
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Devils decline both.
4 nov. 2022 à 6 h 49
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Quoting: Ritzy
......what?!?!?!


Chemistry has higher value for Habs ... Caufield is already on pace to brake Bratt at the same age, so yeah ADD or dream on!
4 nov. 2022 à 8 h 55
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Quoting: habitantlecolon
take out the 1st 2023 and Devils add Nemec and Habs may answer the phone ... we'd rather keep Caufield


lmao. Both teams decline this but bratt is awesome. Come on man do better. I get we're all homers for our teams on this site but this is just a rediculous comment
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4 nov. 2022 à 9 h 15
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lmao. Both teams decline this but bratt is awesome. Come on man do better. I get we're all homers for our teams on this site but this is just a rediculous comment


Caufield has 60 points in 88 games. It took bratt 117 games to reach that mark


Caufield has 34 goals in 88 games. It took bratt 177 games to get there


Caufield is miles ahead of where bratts production was when he joined the league.
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4 nov. 2022 à 9 h 21
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Quoting: Black61
Caufield has 60 points in 88 games. It took bratt 117 games to reach that mark


Caufield has 34 goals in 88 games. It took bratt 177 games to get there


Caufield is miles ahead of where bratts production was when he joined the league.


that doesnt mean anything
4 nov. 2022 à 9 h 22
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Quoting: Black61
Caufield has 60 points in 88 games. It took bratt 117 games to reach that mark


Caufield has 34 goals in 88 games. It took bratt 177 games to get there


Caufield is miles ahead of where bratts production was when he joined the league.


ah yes, the famed "88 game milestone" we all know and reference constantly
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4 nov. 2022 à 9 h 25
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that doesnt mean anything


If we are going to not compare production of scoring forwards wtf is the point of this armchair gm section?
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Quoting: dannibalcorpse
ah yes, the famed "88 game milestone" we all know and reference constantly


Way to contribute to the conversation.

The fact remains Cole has already vastly surpassed what bratt was doing at his age. He is trending to be a top 5 goal scorer in the NHL every year. Bratt isnt
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4 nov. 2022 à 9 h 36
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Caufield and Bratt one for one wouldnt be accepted by the habs today, i know Bratt on a better ppg pace but idc, so why would they add a 1st to that? Bratt going to need a pretty substantial raise and probably commands atleast 1.5-2 more than caufield. and Caufield is a pure scorer that the habs have been searching for for decades. He compliments Suzuki perfectly this just doent make sense all around.
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4 nov. 2022 à 9 h 37
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Quoting: Black61
Caufield is miles ahead of where bratts production was when he joined the league.


Just looking at the box score and compare really doesn't give much insight as to which player is better either.
It completely ignores puckluck, defensive contributions, transition game, scoring chances created and team context.

The fact is that in Bratt's third season in the NHL he was among the most well rounded wingers league-wide, hardly any other player did as much to elevate his teammates in the 19-20 season.
Bratt finished the 19-20 season firmly positioned as a top 25 winger in the NHL and improved at least 5 spots for each consecutive season, he is stupidly good and has been so for quite some time.
Not saying that Caufield isn't a great player, what I am saying is that he would do very well to become just as valuable a contributor for the Habs this year as Bratt was in his third season.
Also, that FLA 1st rd pick doesn't come close in bridging the current value between Bratt and Caufield.


4 nov. 2022 à 9 h 55
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Quoting: Black61
Way to contribute to the conversation.

The fact remains Cole has already vastly surpassed what bratt was doing at his age. He is trending to be a top 5 goal scorer in the NHL every year. Bratt isnt


the point i'm making is saying "first 88 games" is a completely arbitrary number that nobody ever uses as a measuring stick. it's literally a full season + two weeks of games - the NHL is littered with dudes that have had amazing rookie years and never hit that (and to be honest, you're hyped about Caufield going 34-26-60 in 82 games - good numbers but not like he's lighting the world on fire over here.)

there's also the fact that you're comparing goals scored by Caufield and Bratt and ignoring that they're two different types of players - Caufield is a goal scorer, sure, but Bratt is a playmaker who's going to score more through assists than goals (26-47-73 last year, 5-12-17 so far this year.) anyone can cherry pick stats to make it look like the guy they're championing is the better guy, but most don't get so defensive when they're called out on that cherry picking.
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the point i'm making is saying "first 88 games" is a completely arbitrary number that nobody ever uses as a measuring stick. it's literally a full season + two weeks of games - the NHL is littered with dudes that have had amazing rookie years and never hit that (and to be honest, you're hyped about Caufield going 34-26-60 in 82 games - good numbers but not like he's lighting the world on fire over here.)

there's also the fact that you're comparing goals scored by Caufield and Bratt and ignoring that they're two different types of players - Caufield is a goal scorer, sure, but Bratt is a playmaker who's going to score more through assists than goals (26-47-73 last year, 5-12-17 so far this year.) anyone can cherry pick stats to make it look like the guy they're championing is the better guy, but most don't get so defensive when they're called out on that cherry picking.


60 points in your first 82 games is lighting the world on fire what are you smoking? Matthews a generational goal scorer had 40 goals 69 points in his first 82 games.

From the point MSL was hired Caufield has played 48 games and scored 29 goals and 47 points. At 21 years old he is in contention for the rocket and a ppg player. Bratt was nothing close to that.

Its laughable you think they are comparable
4 nov. 2022 à 10 h 34
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60 points in your first 82 games is lighting the world on fire what are you smoking? Matthews a generational goal scorer had 40 goals 69 points in his first 82 games.

From the point MSL was hired Caufield has played 48 games and scored 29 goals and 47 points. At 21 years old he is in contention for the rocket and a ppg player. Bratt was nothing close to that.

Its laughable you think they are comparable


You're missing my point. Bratt has a longer track record than Caufield is all I'm trying to say, and that 88 games is a ridiculous milestone that nobody sensible uses. Caufield is looking great, sure, but NHL history is littered with guys who had a good rookie or sophomore season and fell off a cliff - Joe Juneau and Rob Brown are a pair of guys that come to mind.

Just saying to use your head a little bit before you go off having another 45 minute pregame ceremony honoring Caufield's legendary first 88 games.
4 nov. 2022 à 11 h 3
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Caufield has 60 points in 88 games. It took bratt 117 games to reach that mark


Caufield has 34 goals in 88 games. It took bratt 177 games to get there


Caufield is miles ahead of where bratts production was when he joined the league.


Bratt has 90 pts his last 87 games

Caufield has 60 pts through 88 career games

Players progress at different rates, and also cherrypicking only goals is kinda soft. Caufield and Bratt don't play the same try of game at all. I wasn't even suggesting Bratt was more valuable than Caufield or that this was a good trade, but to say Caufield is worth Bratt+Nemec+1st to even think about it is just absurd. There are maybe 5 guys in the league worth that and Caufield and Bratt both aern't one of them and never will be
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Quoting: Wadejos123
lmao. Both teams decline this but bratt is awesome. Come on man do better. I get we're all homers for our teams on this site but this is just a rediculous comment


Quoting: dannibalcorpse
You're missing my point. Bratt has a longer track record than Caufield is all I'm trying to say, and that 88 games is a ridiculous milestone that nobody sensible uses. Caufield is looking great, sure, but NHL history is littered with guys who had a good rookie or sophomore season and fell off a cliff - Joe Juneau and Rob Brown are a pair of guys that come to mind.

Just saying to use your head a little bit before you go off having another 45 minute pregame ceremony honoring Caufield's legendary first 88 games.


did you just mention that first season isn't a mile stone?? Oh and add the Ducharme effect too cuz Habs did had a huge problem last season ... Caufield is also already rounding up is 2 way game, wich add ... why in the first place habs add or even trade such a gem ?? Do you understand how picky it is for our fan base to have someone coming up with numbers out of context?

If I have to add a 1st to Caufield I want freaking Auston Matthews back ... And I wouldn't want Matthews cuz he is not a chemistry match to our core group.
4 nov. 2022 à 12 h 32
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did you just mention that first season isn't a mile stone?? Oh and add the Ducharme effect too cuz Habs did had a huge problem last season ... Caufield is also already rounding up is 2 way game, wich add ... why in the first place habs add or even trade such a gem ?? Do you understand how picky it is for our fan base to have someone coming up with numbers out of context?

If I have to add a 1st to Caufield I want freaking Auston Matthews back ... And I wouldn't want Matthews cuz he is not a chemistry match to our core group.


FWIW - not arguing that the trade is bad (if anything this would be a one-for-one, or the Devils add something small), just that saying Caufield is superior to Bratt based on their play over the first 88 games of their respective careers is an insanely weird and cherrypicked comparison to make
4 nov. 2022 à 12 h 38
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Quoting: dannibalcorpse
FWIW - not arguing that the trade is bad (if anything this would be a one-for-one, or the Devils add something small), just that saying Caufield is superior to Bratt based on their play over the first 88 games of their respective careers is an insanely weird and cherrypicked comparison to make


stating the pace is another level of advanced stats. Many will say that Caufield is behind Bratt, but actually the kid is doing more even with his size problem. Now adding a first was quite something (a non protected one over that) ... Bratt is good and well rounded but older. At the same age he was a better 2 way, where caufield score. Habs and Devils don't have the same pace too. So stating homerism like Wadejos123 says is a stretch so far or saying 88 games is cherry picking. We will see at year 3 ... so far it's cherry picking saying that Bratt can or will be better rounded or the best of the two player.
4 nov. 2022 à 17 h 31
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Bratt was an undersized Swedish 6th round pick. He came out of nowhere compared to Caufield

Of course it took more time for him to get where he is now

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......what?!?!?!


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