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Créé par: Dom1422
Publié: 26 oct. 2022 à 19 h 29
Plafond salarial: 82 500 000 $
Journées à la saison: 169/185 (91%)
Détermination du registraire central: Cette transaction a rempli les différents critères exigés par le registraire central de la LNH.

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Kylington, OliverFlames de CalgaryLNH-2 283 784 $011---0000--
Dubé, DillonFlames de CalgaryLNH-2 101 081 $011---6134--
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Konecny, TravisFlyers de PhiladelphieLNH-5 024 324 $011---6426--
Pezzetta, MichaelCanadiens de MontréalLNH-685 135 $011---0000--
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Anderson, JoshCanadiens de MontréalLNH25%4 125 000 $011---7202--
Pezzetta, MichaelCanadiens de MontréalLNH-750 000 $011---0000--
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Wisdom, ZaydeExempté du ballottageFlyers de PhiladelphieMineures-0 $011---0000--
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DépartStatutSalaire retenuCap hit effectifFormationSPCListe de réserveChoix 1e rd2e et 3e rd4e à 7e rdPJGAPMBA%EFF
Konecny, TravisFlyers de PhiladelphieLNH-5 500 000 $011---6426--
Wisdom, ZaydeExempté du ballottageFlyers de PhiladelphieMineures-0 $011---0000--
ArrivéeStatutSalaire retenuCap hit effectifFormationSPCListe de réserveChoix 1e rd2e et 3e rd4e à 7e rdPJGAPMBA%EFF
Anderson, JoshCanadiens de MontréalLNH25%4 125 000 $011---7202--
Kylington, OliverFlames de CalgaryLNH-2 500 000 $011---0000--
Dubé, DillonFlames de CalgaryLNH-2 300 000 $011---6134--
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Initial4 066 250 $2149684512
Variation-3 425 000 $211000
Final641 250 $ (↓)23 (↑)50 (↑)69 (↑)4512-110
26 oct. 2022 à 19 h 52
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Flyers completely pass on this trade. No way TK and Wisdom for that package.
26 oct. 2022 à 20 h 50
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Flyers completely pass on this trade. No way TK and Wisdom for that package.


What do you think they would want for Konecny?
26 oct. 2022 à 21 h 50
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What do you think they would want for Konecny?


If I were the GM I wouldn’t trade him right now. He’s off to a good start has 2 more years at $5.5 and until any of these young players actually show anything worthwhile I would just hold unto him. TK has scored 24 goals 3 years in a row and is capable of being 30 goal scorer. The Flyers are in a odd time right now so it’s hard to say what they need as they have some big contracts but some young unaccomplished players coming up.
26 oct. 2022 à 22 h 1
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Flames pass. Kylington + 2nd and maybe a Sweetener for Konecny sure, but we’re not giving Dube

Dube’s probably just as good if not on his way to becoming better than Konecny

I’d prefer Conor Garland over Konecny as well
26 oct. 2022 à 22 h 2
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Quoting: MANX
If I were the GM I wouldn’t trade him right now. He’s off to a good start has 2 more years at $5.5 and until any of these young players actually show anything worthwhile I would just hold unto him. TK has scored 24 goals 3 years in a row and is capable of being 30 goal scorer. The Flyers are in a odd time right now so it’s hard to say what they need as they have some big contracts but some young unaccomplished players coming up.


I’m just going off the rumour that they want to move him, I don’t think they’ll be looking for futures, everything points to them trying to be competitive now. Ideally they’d probably want a 1 for 1 swap with a similar player in value, but who brings a different style. Not sure Tortz likes him.
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Quoting: KingofRnR
Flames pass. Kylington + 2nd and maybe a Sweetener for Konecny sure, but we’re not giving Dube

Dube’s probably just as good if not on his way to becoming better than Konecny

I’d prefer Conor Garland over Konecny as well


What about Zary instead of Dube? How is Zary coming along as a prospect?
26 oct. 2022 à 22 h 16
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What about Zary instead of Dube? How is Zary coming along as a prospect?

Nah. I think Mathias Emilio-Pettersen, Martin Pospisil or Walker Duehr would be more appropriate to swap Dube out for in this deal or maybe Matthew Phillips

Wranglers are off to a bad start but Zary looked decent in Training Camp and should have a substantially better year than last year. Zary looked better in training camp than Jakob Pelletier did, let’s put it that way

Not sure we have space for Pezzetta on the roster but I like his Size & Physical Style of Play
26 oct. 2022 à 22 h 32
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Calgary declines. We finally got rid of soft little johnny we don't need a lesser right shooting version of him. What the Flames need is a big physical winger to play in the top 6.

Josh Anderson would be a nice fit.
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26 oct. 2022 à 22 h 54
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Quoting: KingofRnR
Flames pass. Kylington + 2nd and maybe a Sweetener for Konecny sure


The only way I'd want Konecny is if the Flyers are taking Toffoli in return.

Quoting: KingofRnR
I’d prefer Conor Garland over Konecny as well


I'd take Josh Anderson over either one.
26 oct. 2022 à 23 h 14
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I don't see what MTL have to win in this trade.
They give Pezzetta who is fan favorite and a good bottom six liner and Anderson who is a good power forward and alot of team is looking for.

In return they get what a mid to late second round pick from Calgary and a mid center prospect center which mtl don't really need.
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Quoting: EatMyScoobySnack
I don't see what MTL have to win in this trade.
They give Pezzetta who is fan favorite and a good bottom six liner and Anderson who is a good power forward and alot of team is looking for.

In return they get what a mid to late second round pick from Calgary and a mid center prospect center which mtl don't really need.


Yeah it's great for Philly, not good for Calgary and horrible for Montreal. So let's just cut Philly out and work out a deal to get Josh Anderson to Calgary!

No way Montreal is going to retain salary on Anderson (too much term left on his contract) so Montreal would have to take Toffoli back in return to make the cap work for Calgary.
27 oct. 2022 à 1 h 20
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Yeah it's great for Philly, not good for Calgary and horrible for Montreal. So let's just cut Philly out and work out a deal to get Josh Anderson to Calgary!

No way Montreal is going to retain salary on Anderson (too much term left on his contract) so Montreal would have to take Toffoli back in return to make the cap work for Calgary.


While I love Toffoli I don't think Hughes would want him back after trading him less then one year ago. But there room to do something with Calgary.

MTL need veterans defense presence right now and one that could fit the bill is Nikita Zadorov who while a left hand player can play well into RD side of the game and have a good defense sens also physical presence.

Other d-men interesting would be Oliver Kylington but at the moment he's injure and don't know when he would come back.

For helping Calgary with salary mtl could accept Lucic Contract which would free 5,2m this year and if we taking Zadorov that another 3,7m this year out and next year.


So as a base the idea could be Anderson vs Lucic with one of Kylington or Zadorov.

Now one prospect who I found interesting and with the fact we lost your franchise goalkeeper is Dustin wolf. Could he be an interesting goalie to become mtl number one or two in case of an duo with Primeau ??

The problem is that I know Hughes/Gorton like Anderson and his player style as not many player in the league play like that (player as similar style: Mantha, Kreider,Greenway) so to get him out of mtl I think there will need to be a huge deal made and I don't think team would want to do that.
27 oct. 2022 à 1 h 45
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Quoting: EatMyScoobySnack
I don't see what MTL have to win in this trade.
They give Pezzetta who is fan favorite and a good bottom six liner and Anderson who is a good power forward and alot of team is looking for.

In return they get what a mid to late second round pick from Calgary and a mid center prospect center which mtl don't really need.


I try to balance this so that I’m not getting called a moron by a hundred people. I know Anderson is worth a lot, but people on this website think he’s worth nothing.
27 oct. 2022 à 1 h 45
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Yeah it's great for Philly, not good for Calgary and horrible for Montreal. So let's just cut Philly out and work out a deal to get Josh Anderson to Calgary!

No way Montreal is going to retain salary on Anderson (too much term left on his contract) so Montreal would have to take Toffoli back in return to make the cap work for Calgary.


I think Calgary would be a great fit for Anderson.
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While I love Toffoli I don't think Hughes would want him back after trading him less then one year ago. But there room to do something with Calgary.

MTL need veterans defense presence right now and one that could fit the bill is Nikita Zadorov who while a left hand player can play well into RD side of the game and have a good defense sens also physical presence.

Other d-men interesting would be Oliver Kylington but at the moment he's injure and don't know when he would come back.

For helping Calgary with salary mtl could accept Lucic Contract which would free 5,2m this year and if we taking Zadorov that another 3,7m this year out and next year.


So as a base the idea could be Anderson vs Lucic with one of Kylington or Zadorov.

Now one prospect who I found interesting and with the fact we lost your franchise goalkeeper is Dustin wolf. Could he be an interesting goalie to become mtl number one or two in case of an duo with Primeau ??

The problem is that I know Hughes/Gorton like Anderson and his player style as not many player in the league play like that (player as similar style: Mantha, Kreider,Greenway) so to get him out of mtl I think there will need to be a huge deal made and I don't think team would want to do that.


Coach Sutter will want to keep Big Z. Kylington is the defenseman that makes sense. Looch would make sense too if he's willing to waive for Montreal but I doubt he would. That's why I suggested it'd have to be Toffoli, he doesn't have any trade protection.

Dustin Wolf, there's no way Treliving is going to trade away the best goalie prospect he ever drafted after years and years of trying.

And yeah too many people just look at counting stats (points) while ignoring intangibles. Size still matters as does physical play and yes even the ability to fight.
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27 oct. 2022 à 14 h 57
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Coach Sutter will want to keep Big Z. Kylington is the defenseman that makes sense. Looch would make sense too if he's willing to waive for Montreal but I doubt he would. That's why I suggested it'd have to be Toffoli, he doesn't have any trade protection.

Dustin Wolf, there's no way Treliving is going to trade away the best goalie prospect he ever drafted after years and years of trying.

And yeah too many people just look at counting stats (points) while ignoring intangibles. Size still matters as does physical play and yes even the ability to fight.


Yeah that what I also think about Anderson Hughes and Gorton seem to like so much that he will be hard to trade up. We could take back Toffoli I guess if the Lucic idea didn't work but I don't know of u take him back to play or use him on another trade.
27 oct. 2022 à 19 h 45
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Yeah that what I also think about Anderson Hughes and Gorton seem to like so much that he will be hard to trade up. We could take back Toffoli I guess if the Lucic idea didn't work but I don't know of u take him back to play or use him on another trade.


One thing's for sure it'd be interesting to see how Habs fans would react to having Looch play for them. Personally I think they'd embrace him but who knows? He was public enemy number 1 to them at one time.
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One thing's for sure it'd be interesting to see how Habs fans would react to having Looch play for them. Personally I think they'd embrace him but who knows? He was public enemy number 1 to them at one time.

Anderson is over rated & significantly over paid, I’d rather keep Toffoli and find a cheaper version of Anderson; Kunin, Zetterlund, Bastian come to mind.

Need a 1.00PPG+ Player with more skill for our Top-6. Should pursue a Rental like Patrick Kane or Vlad Tarasenko at the Deadline
27 oct. 2022 à 20 h 18
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One thing's for sure it'd be interesting to see how Habs fans would react to having Looch play for them. Personally I think they'd embrace him but who knows? He was public enemy number 1 to them at one time.


Even if fans don't like him they should understand that this is done as a cap dump and only mean to acquire better asset. But it's not everyone who is understanding.
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Anderson is over rated & significantly over paid, I’d rather keep Toffoli and find a cheaper version of Anderson; Kunin, Zetterlund, Bastian come to mind.

Need a 1.00PPG+ Player with more skill for our Top-6. Should pursue a Rental like Patrick Kane or Vlad Tarasenko at the Deadline


I disagree. We need a big physical hard hitting winger on the top line who will forecheck, battle for pucks and go to the net. Anderson has great speed to get there too. Or put him on the second line and move Mangi to the first line but Mangi, Kadri and Dube have good chemistry it's probably best to leave them together.

Put Anderson with Lindholm and Huberdeau and he'll score 30 goals while providing speed, a much needed physical net front presence and protection for his linemates.
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28 oct. 2022 à 12 h 51
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I disagree. We need a big physical hard hitting winger on the top line who will forecheck, battle for pucks and go to the net. Anderson has great speed to get there too. Or put him on the second line and move Mangi to the first line but Mangi, Kadri and Dube have good chemistry it's probably best to leave them together.

Put Anderson with Lindholm and Huberdeau and he'll score 30 goals while providing speed, a much needed physical net front presence and protection for his linemates.

Anderson is a Career 0.26GPG and 0.44PPG Player; that's a 3rd liner afaic. He's only had 1 good season and there's no evidence to suggest he'll come close to scoring 30 goals in a season. His offensive production dips in the playoffs too. He's really not much better than Lucic...

Let's find a hard nosed player who isn't afraid to go to the corners and take the puck to the net, but that shouldn't be Josh Anderson imo
28 oct. 2022 à 13 h 19
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Everyone declines, end of story
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Anderson is a Career 0.26GPG and 0.44PPG Player; that's a 3rd liner afaic. He's only had 1 good season and there's no evidence to suggest he'll come close to scoring 30 goals in a season. His offensive production dips in the playoffs too. He's really not much better than Lucic...

Let's find a hard nosed player who isn't afraid to go to the corners and take the puck to the net, but that shouldn't be Josh Anderson imo


Yeah Anderson averages 25 goals per 82, is a power forward with the speed to keep up with elite players. He will compliment a top 6 line well. He’s so much better than Lucic it’s not even close. I’ll say to you what I say to everyone, Anderson is highly valued by nhl GM’s. Some fans don’t appreciate his game, but fans don’t make the trades.
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Yeah Anderson averages 25 goals per 82, is a power forward with the speed to keep up with elite players. He will compliment a top 6 line well. He’s so much better than Lucic it’s not even close. I’ll say to you what I say to everyone, Anderson is highly valued by nhl GM’s. Some fans don’t appreciate his game, but fans don’t make the trades.

Lucic was a much better player in his day. In fact he still has better PPG statistics than Anderson at 0.51PPG and isn’t far behind on goals at 0.205GPG which is impressive considering he’s been at the tail end of his career for the past 4 seasons only putting up just over 1/2 the same production at 0.12GPG and 0.29PPG in those years

Lucic started going down hill at 29 which is what Anderson turns next May. I’d hate to acquire him only to have the same result

Anderson doesn’t suck, but there’s better options out there. He’s simply not worth $5.5mil/yr jmo
28 oct. 2022 à 20 h 35
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Quoting: KingofRnR
Lucic was a much better player in his day. In fact he still has better PPG statistics than Anderson at 0.51PPG and isn’t far behind on goals at 0.205GPG which is impressive considering he’s been at the tail end of his career for the past 4 seasons only putting up just over 1/2 the same production at 0.12GPG and 0.29PPG in those years

Lucic started going down hill at 29 which is what Anderson turns next May. I’d hate to acquire him only to have the same result

Anderson doesn’t suck, but there’s better options out there. He’s simply not worth $5.5mil/yr jmo


Lucic scored 10 goals last season and will be lucky to even hit 10 goals this season. Anderson scored 19 in 69 last season and 17 in 52 the season before. He’s guaranteed to score 20 this season, likely scores 25, but is currently on pace for 30. This is not to mention what Anderson brings as far as creating space for teammates, digging in the corners and even leadership. He’s a very valuable player.
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