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Équipe: 2022-23 Maple Leafs de Toronto
Date de création initiale: 22 oct. 2022
Publié: 22 oct. 2022
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These are my picks for Top 4 RHD but i will say Lilly has every chance to take that role before these men are even considered so we’ll just have to wait & see (Deals in this scenario are around The Deadline)
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CHI
    Good RHD man with size & grit, Plays a good hard hitting style whilst being good defensively. Someone who adds grit whilst being an honest upgrade to the Blueline + has term
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    SEA
      Similar to Murphy good D stats on more of a meh team definitely has a better linemate beside him but would probably more expensive to Acquire due to Seattle not rebuilding like Chicago
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      WSH
        Nick Jensen is a phenomenal 2nd Pair D-Man but imo would only be available if Washington is out of the playoffs at the deadline which at that point is a very small chance in of itself as well as Jensen being available if that was the case
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        CBJ
          This is the dream guy, Young,Good Defensively,Good Skater.Signed for decent term but most likely he is 99.999999% not available why not 100% would be CBJ have a-lot of RHD Boqvist,Blankenburg,Gudbranson then in the prospect pool Cuelemans & Jiricek (who i believe will be a Top 4 D-man very soon). There is too much roster & not enough spots he’d be expensive but imo worth it if the blood isn’t too rich
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          LAK
            The Classic, Leaf fans have been here time & again looking for Matthew Alan Roy’s Services as a Top 4 RHD to pair next to Morgan Rielly & Its a similar situation to Columbus but imo it is amplified Doughty,Roy,Durzi,Walker,Clarke,Spence,Helge There is too much roster & not enough spots this is something the Kings will look at but i don’t think it’s a remote possibility but still a possibility no matter how many Kings fans disagree you know this is true someone will be traded & it most likely isn’t just one guy either
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            NYI
              This is the simplest option, He is a 29yr old 6’5 Top 4 D-man making less than 1.5 Mil,Great defensively & blocks a ton of shots
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              22 oct. 2022 à 13 h 3
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              Why do some of these waive for the Leafs? Why do the other teams who want to make the playoffs, trade a RHD? Then there is always the cap question, which many Leaf fans seem to ignore.
              What is the mystical advantage of having another RHD? Brodie has played the right side for years, Liljegren and Holl is a RHD.
              22 oct. 2022 à 13 h 6
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              Quoting: palhal
              Why do some of these waive for the Leafs? Why do the other teams who want to make the playoffs, trade a RHD? Then there is always the cap question, which many Leaf fans seem to ignore.
              What is the mystical advantage of having another RHD? Brodie has played the right side for years, Liljegren and Holl is a RHD.


              Holl shouldn’t be here he is a 7th D but even Mete has looked better, I rather move Brodie to 2nd Pair with Sandin where he won’t get burned out by Rielly's Mistakes. Get a real physical shutdown D-man to pair with Mo that will allow his offensive game to Flourish. These are all hypothetical so why are you complaining
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              22 oct. 2022 à 13 h 11
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              Roy is the one who actually plays defense. Walker Durzi and Spence would be traded before Roy imo.
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              22 oct. 2022 à 13 h 12
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              22 oct. 2022 à 13 h 18
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              Quoting: T0R
              Holl shouldn’t be here he is a 7th D but even Mete has looked better, I rather move Brodie to 2nd Pair with Sandin where he won’t get burned out by Rielly's Mistakes. Get a real physical shutdown D-man to pair with Mo that will allow his offensive game to Flourish. These are all hypothetical so why are you complaining


              Not complaining....but is real physical shut down Dman even included in this list? Physical doesn't necessarily mean good, or even good value.
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              22 oct. 2022 à 13 h 24
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              Quoting: palhal
              Not complaining....but is real physical shut down Dman even included in this list? Physical doesn't necessarily mean good, or even good value.


              the erik gudbranson effect . gets lots of hits and lots of shot blocks because his team almost never has the puck when hes on the ice
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              22 oct. 2022 à 13 h 25
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              It's probably a safe bet Murphy won't waive, and that Roy and Peeke are not available. I have no idea on Larsson whether he will waive or not.

              Mayfield and Jensen are both solid options but only if their respective teams are selling at the deadline
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              22 oct. 2022 à 13 h 33
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              the erik gudbranson effect . gets lots of hits and lots of shot blocks because his team almost never has the puck when hes on the ice


              Yeah, stats can be so misleading. As you suggest, hits and blocks. Usually the most competent puck handlers have the most giveaways, because the "hands of stones" players just aren't allowed to carry the puck.
              So many Leaf fans seemed so fascinated with ANY RHD, as if they are the answer to problems on defence.

              Here's another pet peeve of mine. The style of the NHL seems to be...get the puck, fire it to a corner from the blue line, and then work like hell to dig in out of the corner. Seems to an inefficient way to get offensive zone possession. So many Leaf fans are critical of Nylander and Engvall for not being good at puck retrieval in the corners. I won't argue that, but geez they are one of few wingers that try and can be successful at carrying the puck into offensive zone.
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              22 oct. 2022 à 13 h 41
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              You about nailed it with Peeke. Boqvist could be available soon, though. Alongside the rise of Blankenburg, they have too many offensive d-men, and I think he could fetch a good package.
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              22 oct. 2022 à 13 h 44
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              so u decided to add all of these players and not include schenn, boosh, and gudas?
              22 oct. 2022 à 15 h 37
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              Quoting: jamathon
              so u decided to add all of these players and not include schenn, boosh, and gudas?


              Yes i only did Top 4 RHD, I will do 3rd pair in a separate AGM
              22 oct. 2022 à 15 h 40
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              Yeah, stats can be so misleading. As you suggest, hits and blocks. Usually the most competent puck handlers have the most giveaways, because the "hands of stones" players just aren't allowed to carry the puck.
              So many Leaf fans seemed so fascinated with ANY RHD, as if they are the answer to problems on defence.

              Here's another pet peeve of mine. The style of the NHL seems to be...get the puck, fire it to a corner from the blue line, and then work like hell to dig in out of the corner. Seems to an inefficient way to get offensive zone possession. So many Leaf fans are critical of Nylander and Engvall for not being good at puck retrieval in the corners. I won't argue that, but geez they are one of few wingers that try and can be successful at carrying the puck into offensive zone.


              I understand hitting & blocking shots to be irrelevant to most D-men but i only put choices who i think are honest upgrades Murphy is very good defensively & his numbers show that whilst facing top Comp, he has a high amount of hits but also has the Corsi & Fenwick that demonstrates his ability on either side of the puck someone like that would be very valuable next to a great puck carrier like Rielly(& before anyone wants to say this is 20-21 his numbers are even better now) E-INyz8WQAgtw-9?format=jpg&name=900x900
              22 oct. 2022 à 15 h 42
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              Quoting: NHLfan10506
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              22 oct. 2022 à 15 h 43
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              Roy is the one who actually plays defense. Walker Durzi and Spence would be traded before Roy imo.


              So trade the Young Guys & Not the 28yr old?
              Cause That worked so Well With Cernak Jk, Clarke looks like a Stud Helge is coming up soon & Spence as well. Matt Roy is not a Corner Stone Piece I see 0 reason to say he is untouchable when there are numerous replacements already in the organization & he can fetch you an actual Left D-man instead of playing Clarke & Durzi on their off sides
              22 oct. 2022 à 16 h 20
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              So trade the Young Guys & Not the 28yr old?
              Cause That worked so Well With Cernak Jk, Clarke looks like a Stud Helge is coming up soon & Spence as well. Matt Roy is not a Corner Stone Piece I see 0 reason to say he is untouchable when there are numerous replacements already in the organization & he can fetch you an actual Left D-man instead of playing Clarke & Durzi on their off sides

              Because he’s the defensive defenseman. I can see the others in a deal to upgrade. Yes it’s a good problem for LA.

              Spence and Roy are guys I’d like to keep.
              22 oct. 2022 à 17 h 43
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              Because he’s the defensive defenseman. I can see the others in a deal to upgrade. Yes it’s a good problem for LA.

              Spence and Roy are guys I’d like to keep.


              Guys you’d like to keep aren’t guys GM’s will say to keep, he has 2 years left & that comes at a cost to your Young Rhd’s development cause that’s who he will be taking spots from
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              22 oct. 2022 à 17 h 49
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              Guys you’d like to keep aren’t guys GM’s will say to keep, he has 2 years left & that comes at a cost to your Young Rhd’s development cause that’s who he will be taking spots from

              Roy shouldn’t be traded

              It’s not always good to have all young offensive minded defenders
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              23 oct. 2022 à 1 h 27
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              Quoting: KINGS67
              Roy is the one who actually plays defense. Walker Durzi and Spence would be traded before Roy imo.


              My sentiments exactly. To which the only thing I can add is that I don't think tht Toronto and Los Angeles are good trade partners right now because LA's biggest need is for the 2015 version of Jake Muzzin, and there's no one like that on the Maple Leaf roster.
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              23 oct. 2022 à 16 h 10
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              Quoting: T0R
              Holl shouldn’t be here he is a 7th D but even Mete has looked better, I rather move Brodie to 2nd Pair with Sandin where he won’t get burned out by Rielly's Mistakes. Get a real physical shutdown D-man to pair with Mo that will allow his offensive game to Flourish. These are all hypothetical so why are you complaining


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              Dumba
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              Quoting: palhal
              Not complaining....but is real physical shut down Dman even included in this list? Physical doesn't necessarily mean good, or even good value.


              Quoting: T0R
              Yes i only did Top 4 RHD, I will do 3rd pair in a separate AGM


              Quoting: OldNYIfan
              My sentiments exactly. To which the only thing I can add is that I don't think tht Toronto and Los Angeles are good trade partners right now because LA's biggest need is for the 2015 version of Jake Muzzin, and there's no one like that on the Maple Leaf roster.


              Guys what about Demelo? He can play top 4 minutes, is physical, can block shots, isn't a liability on the ice at least IMO has a reasonable deal and would help the leafs immensely again IMO. Also, pretty sure we could make a deal work AROUND Kerfoot-Demelo NOT saying it has to be a 1vs1 but I think Chevy and Dubas can figure out a deal that works for both sides. Also, Holl could be part of a package if the want a rhd back.

              Just saying... thoughts?
              23 oct. 2022 à 17 h 9
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              Guys what about Demelo? He can play top 4 minutes, is physical, can block shots, isn't a liability on the ice at least IMO has a reasonable deal and would help the leafs immensely again IMO. Also, pretty sure we could make a deal work AROUND Kerfoot-Demelo NOT saying it has to be a 1vs1 but I think Chevy and Dubas can figure out a deal that works for both sides. Also, Holl could be part of a package if the want a rhd back.

              Just saying... thoughts?


              Demelo is a guy i like but isn’t someone who faces Top Comp often more in the 50/50 range i want someone to pair with Rielly to give Brodie a little bit of wiggle room & really help Sandin Hone his D-skills
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              23 oct. 2022 à 17 h 48
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              Demelo is a guy i like but isn’t someone who faces Top Comp often more in the 50/50 range i want someone to pair with Rielly to give Brodie a little bit of wiggle room & really help Sandin Hone his D-skills


              Kinda funny Holl does face top competition, and kills PP. But a middling Dman on a non playoff seems to be answer to the Leafs.
              23 oct. 2022 à 17 h 59
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              Quoting: T0R
              Demelo is a guy i like but isn’t someone who faces Top Comp often more in the 50/50 range i want someone to pair with Rielly to give Brodie a little bit of wiggle room & really help Sandin Hone his D-skills


              Yeah but if Demelo was on the second pair Rielly and Brodir wouldn't have to carry such a big load it would help to more evenly distribute the workload.
              23 oct. 2022 à 18 h 6
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              Quoting: palhal
              Kinda funny Holl does face top competition, and kills PP. But a middling Dman on a non playoff seems to be answer to the Leafs.


              First off you never like any trade ideas and if you were gm the leafs would never make a move. Also, can't you be overvaluing our players? And if Demelo or whoever was on our team they would be on a playoff team. Furthermore, does every team who doesn't make the playoffs not have any good players that other teams would covet? It's not fair to blame Demelo for what's going on in the peg. But how would Holl or Muzzin or Brodie or Benn or Samsonov or Murray or Bunting or Taveres or Kerfoot or Jarnkrok or ZAR or Kubel be on this team if we only ever drafted and developed our own players? Not daying all of them are good but you don't just build a team one way... it can't be done you need to draft and develop your own but also use FA and trades to help build your team. Also, I didn't say anything bad about Holl just that he could potentially be part of a trade. And like him or not Demelo brings what this team needs whether you want to admit it or not.
              23 oct. 2022 à 18 h 30
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              First off you never like any trade ideas and if you were gm the leafs would never make a move. Also, can't you be overvaluing our players? And if Demelo or whoever was on our team they would be on a playoff team. Furthermore, does every team who doesn't make the playoffs not have any good players that other teams would covet? It's not fair to blame Demelo for what's going on in the peg. But how would Holl or Muzzin or Brodie or Benn or Samsonov or Murray or Bunting or Taveres or Kerfoot or Jarnkrok or ZAR or Kubel be on this team if we only ever drafted and developed our own players? Not daying all of them are good but you don't just build a team one way... it can't be done you need to draft and develop your own but also use FA and trades to help build your team. Also, I didn't say anything bad about Holl just that he could potentially be part of a trade. And like him or not Demelo brings what this team needs whether you want to admit it or not.


              First your opening line scenario is not true. OK, so if DeMelo is brought in which would be marginal upgrade, what would the Leafs have to give up to get, and fit hdtm to the cap strapped Leafs, this year and next? So many trades don't consider cap considerations (hence the title of this website). And so many just dismiss Muzzin and Murray and really have them on career ending LTIR.
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              23 oct. 2022 à 18 h 52
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              Quoting: palhal
              First your opening line scenario is not true. OK, so if DeMelo is brought in which would be marginal upgrade, what would the Leafs have to give up to get, and fit hdtm to the cap strapped Leafs, this year and next? So many trades don't consider cap considerations (hence the title of this website). And so many just dismiss Muzzin and Murray and really have them on career ending LTIR.


              You literally shutdown every trade proposal posted on here saying every player on other teams aren't as good as ours are. Teams with good players do trade them at times based on where they are in their competitive cycle. Perhaps I came across the wrong way ment no disrespect just gets tiering constantly hearing the sane thing when trades happen all the time and value isn't always even because one team is looking more for futures or depth.

              Second I mentioned Kerfoot going the other way who costs 3.5 mill and Demelo is 3mill so I did think about the cap I always do. Next year would be the same albeit with the cap rising by 4mill but even if it was flat it would still be 500k less than Kerfoot. Also, how would Demelo me a marginal upgrade? Who else do we have besides Muzzin who plays his gritty style and isn't a hindrance to the team? And who else could we get who brings what he does for the same or less $ without gutting our farm system? I mean that whole heartedly as I can't think of anyone else. The part of this deal that I could understand ppl having issue with is the 3mill of salary cap commited to next year. For that reason I like Demelo more than Murphy because I don't feel comfortable commiting that much future capspace to a player who may or may not fit in in our system. If you want a rental I get it and nothing wrong with that if so Dumba might be available.
               
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