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Barkov to Rangers

Créé par: AFox23
Équipe: 2022-23 Rangers de New York
Date de création initiale: 20 oct. 2022
Publié: 20 oct. 2022
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
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20 oct. 2022 à 10 h 44
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Do you really think this is even remotely close? I mean really?
20 oct. 2022 à 10 h 46
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Do you really think this is even remotely close? I mean really?


Barkov won't be traded. I know that. But it is a fair offer.
20 oct. 2022 à 10 h 48
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That has got to be the most brutal return for Barkov I have ever seen. You are getting 2 mid firsts and two mid players. BARKOV IS UR BEST PLAYER.
20 oct. 2022 à 10 h 49
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That has got to be the most brutal return for Barkov I have ever seen. You are getting 2 mid firsts and two mid players. BARKOV IS UR BEST PLAYER.


Mid players? Trocheck is a top-20 centre and Trouba is an elite RD.
20 oct. 2022 à 10 h 53
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This ain’t close. Trocheck is half the player and trouba is a way over paid rd plus two late first round picks. Swap trocheck for lafreniere and trouba for Schneider
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20 oct. 2022 à 10 h 53
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Lafreniere instead of Trochek and Schneider instead of Trouba. That should be the base of the trade.
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Mid players? Trocheck is a top-20 centre and Trouba is an elite RD.


lmao
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20 oct. 2022 à 11 h 6
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Mid players? Trocheck is a top-20 centre and Trouba is an elite RD.


Why would NYR every make that trade if Trocheck is a top-20 centre and Trouba is an elite RD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You might be over valuing your teams players!
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Quoting: AFox23
Mid players? Trocheck is a top-20 centre and Trouba is an elite RD.


Trocheck is no top 20 C don't be ridiculous, And Trouba an elite RD that's $2,000,000 overpaid hence why you're retaining $2,000,000 on him. Barkov isn't a big city guy so he's not waiving for the Rangers. And Trouba's wife is going to be a Dr in NYC so he's not waiving to go to South Florida. Use some common sense Trouba was just named Ranger Captain he's not being moved nor would he waive to go to South Florida.
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20 oct. 2022 à 11 h 39
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yikes its no where near close, realisticly it would be starting with fox, maybe panarin but no one else
20 oct. 2022 à 11 h 44
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That has got to be the most brutal return for Barkov I have ever seen. You are getting 2 mid firsts and two mid players. BARKOV IS UR BEST PLAYER.


Panarin is… not saying anything about the deal. But Panarin would still be the best player on the roster.
20 oct. 2022 à 12 h 23
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Mid players? Trocheck is a top-20 centre and Trouba is an elite RD.


Trocheck is not a top 20 center. Trocheck MIGHT be a top 40 center. You're likely looking at one of Kakko or Lafreniere with 2 1sts, probably Othmann, and maybe even one of Jones or Schnieder. Barkov would instantly become the best player on the New York Rangers. He's signed for the foreseeable future. Barkov would be an improvement on Zibanejad, and Zibanejad is a top 10 C in the NHL (I have him 6, he's somewhere between 5-10). You're going to have to pay that price, and even more to dump that Trouba albatross.
20 oct. 2022 à 13 h 59
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Barkov won't be traded. I know that. But it is a fair offer.


Lol not even close
20 oct. 2022 à 13 h 59
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Panarin is… not saying anything about the deal. But Panarin would still be the best player on the roster.


You think Panarin is the best player on the Rangers....

Rangers fans are funny.
20 oct. 2022 à 14 h 32
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You think Panarin is the best player on the Rangers....

Rangers fans are funny.


That’s a fact. Who are you suggesting is? Excluding Shesterkin since he’s a goalie, bread is hands down the best
20 oct. 2022 à 16 h 41
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Trocheck is not a top 20 center. Trocheck MIGHT be a top 40 center. You're likely looking at one of Kakko or Lafreniere with 2 1sts, probably Othmann, and maybe even one of Jones or Schnieder. Barkov would instantly become the best player on the New York Rangers. He's signed for the foreseeable future. Barkov would be an improvement on Zibanejad, and Zibanejad is a top 10 C in the NHL (I have him 6, he's somewhere between 5-10). You're going to have to pay that price, and even more to dump that Trouba albatross.


Trouba @$6M is a steal. Barkov being better than Zibby is accurate. Barkov being better than Panarin isn’t.

Barkov 600GP 557P +79
Panarin 512GP 579P +133

Safe to say in the 88GP short bread will tally another 100P easy. Don’t get me wrong, Barkov is still incredible, those numbers aren’t bad by any means
20 oct. 2022 à 16 h 50
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Trouba $6M is a steal. Barkov being better than Zibby is accurate. Barkov being better than Panarin isn’t.

Barkov 600GP 557P +79
Panarin 512GP 579P +133

Safe to say in the 88GP short bread will tally another 100P easy. Don’t get me wrong, Barkov is still incredible, those numbers aren’t bad by any means


Barkov is better than Panarin. Barkov is younger, makes less, plays a more valuable position, and is MILES better defensively. Plus, Panarin played opposite Kane for most of his career to this point. Barkov only really had a truly elite linemate last year when Huberdeau broke out.

Trouba at 6 is still high. He's worth about 5-5.5. And that doesn't expire for another 3 years. Barkov is a top 10 player in the NHL regardless of position. You're going to have to pay that price.
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Barkov is better than Panarin. Barkov is younger, makes less, plays a more valuable position, and is MILES better defensively. Plus, Panarin played opposite Kane for most of his career to this point. Barkov only really had a truly elite linemate last year when Huberdeau broke out.

Trouba at 6 is still high. He's worth about 5-5.5. And that doesn't expire for another 3 years. Barkov is a top 10 player in the NHL regardless of position. You're going to have to pay that price.


Panarin played with CHI for 2 seasons. Both years was under a point per game. His best seasons have been since he left with CLB and NYR.. 2 teams that weren’t highly competitive for most of that time. Barkov is for sure a top 15 player, top 5 C, but Bread is a top 5 player. Let’s play it your way.. since 17/18’ season to current(post CHI and Kane)

Barkov 348GP 386pts +55
Panarin 350GP 428pts +107

And while you might say Huberdeau hadn’t broke out because you don’t seem to know your stuff..

Huberdeau 371GP 418pts +35

Over that span of time the ranks are

McDavid
Draisaitl
Mackinnon
Kane
Panarin
Marchand
Huberdeau
Gaudreau
Marner
Stamkos
Matthews
Pastrnak
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20 oct. 2022 à 20 h 1
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Panarin played with CHI for 2 seasons. Both years was under a point per game. His best seasons have been since he left with CLB and NYR.. 2 teams that weren’t highly competitive for most of that time. Barkov is for sure a top 15 player, top 5 C, but Bread is a top 5 player. Let’s play it your way.. since 17/18’ season to current(post CHI and Kane)

Barkov 348GP 386pts +55
Panarin 350GP 428pts +107

And while you might say Huberdeau hadn’t broke out because you don’t seem to know your stuff..

Huberdeau 371GP 418pts +35

Over that span of time the ranks are

McDavid
Draisaitl
Mackinnon
Kane
Panarin
Marchand
Huberdeau
Gaudreau
Marner
Stamkos
Matthews
Pastrnak
Crosby
Kucherov
Barkov


I don't know my stuff... yeah sure kiddo. Not like Huberdeau has never hit the 100 point mark before and had only hit the 80 point mark once. Maybe you need to do your own research.

So your defense is that Panarin played on awful teams he outscored a guy that played on worse teams? And the difference in offensive ability doesn't atone for the defensive chasm between them. Barkov still plays a more valuable position. He's still WAY better defensively. Again, you turn to plus minus like it's a representation of good defense. It's a representation of goal differential. All that shows is that Florida still needs a good goalie. You really are digging your hole deeper here. Barkov is the best defensive forward in the game right now. Hands down, no contest. He's coming off a year where he was on a very similar scoring pace to Panarin. Yet, you continue to say Panarin is better. I don't get this. Panarin is a star. Barkov is a franchise-changing talent.
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20 oct. 2022 à 20 h 41
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I don't know my stuff... yeah sure kiddo. Not like Huberdeau has never hit the 100 point mark before and had only hit the 80 point mark once. Maybe you need to do your own research.

So your defense is that Panarin played on awful teams he outscored a guy that played on worse teams? And the difference in offensive ability doesn't atone for the defensive chasm between them. Barkov still plays a more valuable position. He's still WAY better defensively. Again, you turn to plus minus like it's a representation of good defense. It's a representation of goal differential. All that shows is that Florida still needs a good goalie. You really are digging your hole deeper here. Barkov is the best defensive forward in the game right now. Hands down, no contest. He's coming off a year where he was on a very similar scoring pace to Panarin. Yet, you continue to say Panarin is better. I don't get this. Panarin is a star. Barkov is a franchise-changing talent.


The argument was who is better… not about what position is more valuable or who has a friendlier cap hit. Or age for that matter. Panarin hasn’t had guys over 100 either. He’s been with Strome and randoms for the past 4 years. Before that was with a young PLD who was far from superstar quality. The fact is he makes guys better at every stop. So sure you can try to change the narrative of age/contract/position for your argument but your initial statement was better… that is factually incorrect. As for your new stance, I agree he is 3 years younger, he does make less money and C is usually a more important position. And if we want to make the argument about age/contract/position then both Fox and Shesty take that cake. So still not the most valuable player if he was added.
21 oct. 2022 à 13 h 25
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That’s a fact. Who are you suggesting is? Excluding Shesterkin since he’s a goalie, bread is hands down the best


He's barely in the top 5. Fox, Shesterkin, Ziba are all better players than Panarin, and are also more important to the teams success.

If you think Panarin is better than Barkov, you're watching the wrong sport.
21 oct. 2022 à 14 h 47
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He's barely in the top 5. Fox, Shesterkin, Ziba are all better players than Panarin, and are also more important to the teams success.

If you think Panarin is better than Barkov, you're watching the wrong sport.




Shesty is obviously a top 2 G and maybe the best. No question and no need to dispute him. Also completely different skill set. As for skaters, Fox and Zibby are definitely valued and maybe more valuable based on position/age/contract. But skill, NO. Zibby is absolutely one of the league’s best goal scorers and his PK and playing C are certainly very valuable. Fox, there’s few D that are at his level or better when it comes to skill, his age and position are more valuable but he isn’t more skilled. We just finished a few seasons of hearing about how Bread made Strome a 70pt guy hahaha and considering Strome was always his best line mate that’s sad. Fast and Blackwell were the guys filling the 3rd spot for the most part not to mention guys like hunt and Gauthier.. so basically Bread carried the 2nd line. If you read through some of my thread with the other guy here you can see some legit that’s and info proving these points. Now, what I can appreciate is the lack of knowledge, I much like yourself had no idea his skill level before I watched him play 82 games a season. The thing is he often doesn’t look like he is trying all the time, much like kovalev back in the day, but his numbers speak for themselves. Post CHI he never played much with anyone at the elite level of a Kane… PLD? No Strome? No… while you think I might be watching the wrong sport lmao you’re wrong. 🤣 oh and feel free to name #4 who is ahead of him if your feeling like being a 🤡 today
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Quoting: NYR1983
Shesty is obviously a top 2 G and maybe the best. No question and no need to dispute him. Also completely different skill set. As for skaters, Fox and Zibby are definitely valued and maybe more valuable based on position/age/contract. But skill, NO. Zibby is absolutely one of the league’s best goal scorers and his PK and playing C are certainly very valuable. Fox, there’s few D that are at his level or better when it comes to skill, his age and position are more valuable but he isn’t more skilled. We just finished a few seasons of hearing about how Bread made Strome a 70pt guy hahaha and considering Strome was always his best line mate that’s sad. Fast and Blackwell were the guys filling the 3rd spot for the most part not to mention guys like hunt and Gauthier.. so basically Bread carried the 2nd line. If you read through some of my thread with the other guy here you can see some legit that’s and info proving these points. Now, what I can appreciate is the lack of knowledge, I much like yourself had no idea his skill level before I watched him play 82 games a season. The thing is he often doesn’t look like he is trying all the time, much like kovalev back in the day, but his numbers speak for themselves. Post CHI he never played much with anyone at the elite level of a Kane… PLD? No Strome? No… while you think I might be watching the wrong sport lmao you’re wrong. 🤣 oh and feel free to name #4 who is ahead of him if your feeling like being a 🤡 today


You can try to rationalize it all you want, he's not a better OVERALL player than any of the 4 names I mentioned. Telling me who he has played with is completely irrelevant.

Also, his playoff performance is LOL funny...dude is soft as baby sh*t.

You're just a homer....it's okay, we all homer a bit for our own team. But you're objectively incorrect.
21 oct. 2022 à 18 h 20
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You can try to rationalize it all you want, he's not a better OVERALL player than any of the 4 names I mentioned. Telling me who he has played with is completely irrelevant.

Also, his playoff performance is LOL funny...dude is soft as baby sh*t.

You're just a homer....it's okay, we all homer a bit for our own team. But you're objectively incorrect.



Are you having a hard time understanding that he is the 5th highest scorer over the past 5 season and I was explaining that he didn’t have players on his line capable of getting him there? Meaning, he did it will very little help. He has more talent and it’s not debatable. Skill and over all value are 2 different things. The argument has always been about skill.. we could make the argument that Laf on his ELC and producing a fraction of the points is more valuable then bread or McJesus for that matter🤣 but he isn’t more skilled
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Trocheck is no top 20 C don't be ridiculous, And Trouba an elite RD that's $2,000,000 overpaid hence why you're retaining $2,000,000 on him. Barkov isn't a big city guy so he's not waiving for the Rangers. And Trouba's wife is going to be a Dr in NYC so he's not waiving to go to South Florida. Use some common sense Trouba was just named Ranger Captain he's not being moved nor would he waive to go to South Florida.


Quoting: Caniac2000
Trocheck is not a top 20 center. Trocheck MIGHT be a top 40 center. You're likely looking at one of Kakko or Lafreniere with 2 1sts, probably Othmann, and maybe even one of Jones or Schnieder. Barkov would instantly become the best player on the New York Rangers. He's signed for the foreseeable future. Barkov would be an improvement on Zibanejad, and Zibanejad is a top 10 C in the NHL (I have him 6, he's somewhere between 5-10). You're going to have to pay that price, and even more to dump that Trouba albatross.


Trocheck = #23 ranked center. Barkov is #8. List is here https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/3723317
 
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