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Équipe: 2023-24 Sharks de San Jose
Date de création initiale: 19 oct. 2022
Publié: 19 oct. 2022
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Obviously the Sharks are not off to a good start, but I don't think these 5 games mean the season is entirely over. This AGM is a scenario where they are effectively eliminated from playoff contention at/before the trade deadline. The idea is to get as much cap off the books as possible, and get as many picks as possible. The roster will be comprised of veterans, kids, and a few free agents.

Will they be good? Probably not. I'm thinking they might be like Ottawa was a year or two ago. Lots of things to look forward to, but not immediately. If you really wanted to win, you could forget about someone like Rodriguez and try to score a bigger fish in the $5-7m range.
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    Nick Bonino & James Reimer at the trade deadline
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      19 oct. 2022 à 3 h 18
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      buffalo is one of the last team to trade their 2023 first, let alone for Couture.
      Sharks got so many horrendous contracts lol
      19 oct. 2022 à 3 h 25
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      Not realistic to expect a team to retain 4m for 4 years, especially for a return that isn't anything special.

      Meier is the guy to trade since Couture is probably not movable.
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      19 oct. 2022 à 4 h 53
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      BUF accepts. Can't see why SJ does this though.
      19 oct. 2022 à 4 h 54
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      Buffalo isn't giving a 1rst for Cooch. And the Defense still stinks.
      19 oct. 2022 à 5 h 23
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      Quoting: CB37
      Buffalo isn't giving a 1rst for Cooch. And the Defense still stinks.


      BUF would do this NOW....not in the offseason.
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      19 oct. 2022 à 8 h 46
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      Labanc was completely invisible last night. I don't see any benefit in NYI acquiring him unless the Sharks take back Bailey or Palmieri.
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      19 oct. 2022 à 9 h 34
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      Isles have too many middle-6 forwards as it is - I can't see them giving up a 2nd rounder to throw another on the pile.
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      19 oct. 2022 à 10 h 39
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      Quoting: Canucks123
      buffalo is one of the last team to trade their 2023 first, let alone for Couture.
      Sharks got so many horrendous contracts lol
      Quoting: GMBL
      Not realistic to expect a team to retain 4m for 4 years, especially for a return that isn't anything special.
      Meier is the guy to trade since Couture is probably not movable.
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      BUF accepts. Can't see why SJ does this though.
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      Buffalo isn't giving a 1rst for Cooch. And the Defense still stinks.
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      BUF would do this NOW....not in the offseason.
      It is unlikely Buffalo would trade a first in the near future.
      Other than Merkley, and Eklund, the Sharks prospect pool is empty.
      The Sabres could trade a package of young players and prospects for Couture instead.
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      19 oct. 2022 à 10 h 50
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      Quoting: gretzkyghosts
      It is unlikely Buffalo would trade a first in the near future.
      Other than Merkley, and Eklund, the Sharks prospect pool is empty.
      The Sabres could trade a package of young players and prospects for Couture instead.


      They could but they shouldn't since it's going to have to be for Couture at 8m.
      19 oct. 2022 à 10 h 50
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      Quoting: gretzkyghosts
      It is unlikely Buffalo would trade a first in the near future.
      Other than Merkley, and Eklund, the Sharks prospect pool is empty.
      The Sabres could trade a package of young players and prospects for Couture instead.


      I wouldn't be adverse to a package instead of a 1st...but BUF already has wayyy to many 1sts. Top 12 is full already and there's still Savoie, Rosen, Ostlund, Kulich.

      $4mm is a steal. I'd do it at $6mm.

      They could use someone now. Especially a BUF boy and someone with experience and decent FO numbers.
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      19 oct. 2022 à 10 h 59
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      Even *IF* the Sharks would hold $4mil,
      the Sabres have TONS of Cap room- so it’s really unlikely that we’d care more about the $4mil in savings than we’d care about a 1st round pick

      The trade just doesn’t make sense for the Sabres
      Maybe for a team with less Cap space, but not for the Sabres

      At $4mil, Couture could be attractive to us
      But we’d be MUCH more likely to give up some prospects (since we’re overflowing with them to a degree) instead of our 1st

      Or maybe something like Mittelstadt & a 2nd
      19 oct. 2022 à 11 h 0
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      Quoting: GMBL
      They could but they shouldn't since it's going to have to be for Couture at 8m.


      Sharks might not hold $4mil,
      but I’ll bet they’d likely have to hold $2mil (at least) to get a team to take that contract
      Just unlikely to be the Sabres either way
      19 oct. 2022 à 11 h 4
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      Quoting: Buffalove
      Sharks might not hold $4mil,
      but I’ll bet they’d likely have to hold $2mil (at least) to get a team to take that contract
      Just unlikely to be the Sabres either way


      Not true. Sabres have cap space now, but not in the next 5 years. A penny saved is a penny earned. Plus BUF could use more vet leadership...I'd do it. The 2023 1st won't make a positive impact until what? 2026? 27? 28?

      Couture would accelerate the SC timeline.

      The only good vets we have are Z and Ox, who are both FAs. Couture is obvs better. BUF needs vets, not more draft picks.
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      19 oct. 2022 à 11 h 33
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      Modifié 19 oct. 2022 à 11 h 43
      Quoting: Buffalove
      Sharks might not hold $4mil,
      but I’ll bet they’d likely have to hold $2mil (at least) to get a team to take that contract
      Just unlikely to be the Sabres either way


      2m retention for 4 years and paying 1.75m/yr in salaries (7m total) just to free up 6m in cap + what will probably be a mediocre package, they would be better off just keeping him, trading Meier's, and using that retention slot to try moving out Karlsson if some team is willing to take him at 9.5m lol (or 8.625m).

      Karlsson at 2m retention for 4 years would result in paying him ~1.63m/yr in salaries (~6.5m total) but freeing up 9.5m. If it's 2.875m retention (25% of the contract like on Couture's) would be 2.875m/yr retention, paying him 2.375m/yr in salaries (9.5m total), and freeing up 8.625m in cap space vs just 6m. Retaining on Karlsson's contract is probably better than on Couture's.

      Vlasic at 33% for the last 3 years of his contract would free up 4.69m in cap and cost 6.5m in total salaries, he would be 36-38, and probably the least valuable player to contribute. If they are trying to do a quick rebuild/retool trying to move him might make sense, but with his NMC and his age and at 4.69m, he would probably be significantly harder to move than the previous two. If they are going for a 5-year rebuild, might as well let his contract expire on the books, using the retention spot to move Karlsson would be the move, he has a NMC and said he wants to stay so if that's still true, then Couture is the only option.

      I see SJ headed into a rebuild (short or long) so freeing up cap may not be a priority but rather moving out players contracts to avoid paying their full salaries plus acquiring assets.
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      19 oct. 2022 à 12 h 2
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      Quoting: GMBL
      2m retention for 4 years and paying 1.75m/yr in salaries (7m total) just to free up 6m in cap + what will probably be a mediocre package, they would be better off just keeping him, trading Meier's, and using that retention slot to try moving out Karlsson if some team is willing to take him at 9.5m lol (or 8.625m).

      Karlsson at 2m retention for 4 years would result in paying him ~1.63m/yr in salaries (~6.5m total) but freeing up 9.5m. If it's 2.875m retention (25% of the contract like on Couture's) would be 2.875m/yr retention, paying him 2.375m/yr in salaries (9.5m total), and freeing up 8.625m in cap space vs just 6m. Retaining on Karlsson's contract is probably better than on Couture's.

      Vlasic at 33% for the last 3 years of his contract would free up 4.69m in cap and cost 6.5m in total salaries, he would be 36-38, and probably the least valuable player to contribute. If they are trying to do a quick rebuild/retool trying to move him might make sense, but with his NMC and his age and at 4.69m, he would probably be significantly harder to move than the previous two. If they are going for a 5-year rebuild, might as well let his contract expire on the books, using the retention spot to move Karlsson would be the move, he has a NMC and said he wants to stay so if that's still true, then Couture is the only option.

      I see SJ headed into a rebuild (short or long) so freeing up cap may not be a priority but rather moving out players contracts to avoid paying their full salaries plus acquiring assets.


      The reason I want Meier to stay over Couture is because Meier will still be a very good player in 5 years, but Couture could be out of the league by then. Buffalo is his hometown team, and I think he would consider a move there. He would be way more moveable with retention that Karlsson, his injury history makes him almost untradable.

      Vlasic isn't going anywhere unless bought out, he has repeatedly stated that he has no intention of waiving to go anywhere else, under any circumstance.

      Some posters above said Buffalo would do Couture at $2m retained for a 1st, I think that is a slam dunk. $3m retained is almost certainly a deal as well. I don't know much about Buffalos prospect pool, but I would be open to taking back a blue chip prospect instead of the 2023 first, that would accelerate the rebuild even more.
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      19 oct. 2022 à 12 h 4
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      Quoting: dannibalcorpse
      Isles have too many middle-6 forwards as it is - I can't see them giving up a 2nd rounder to throw another on the pile.


      That's fair. I don't see him in the long term plan for San Jose, so I thought I would try to send him home and get some assets for him.
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      19 oct. 2022 à 12 h 23
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      Quoting: Waffelz
      The reason I want Meier to stay over Couture is because Meier will still be a very good player in 5 years, but Couture could be out of the league by then. Buffalo is his hometown team, and I think he would consider a move there. He would be way more moveable with retention that Karlsson, his injury history makes him almost untradable.

      Vlasic isn't going anywhere unless bought out, he has repeatedly stated that he has no intention of waiving to go anywhere else, under any circumstance.

      Some posters above said Buffalo would do Couture at $2m retained for a 1st, I think that is a slam dunk. $3m retained is almost certainly a deal as well. I don't know much about Buffalos prospect pool, but I would be open to taking back a blue chip prospect instead of the 2023 first, that would accelerate the rebuild even more.


      Meier is a winger though, they are easily replaced, he's a pwf so a bit less common but chances are if he's traded for a 2023 1st, there is a high chance that they get a player that could fully replace him. He'll probably get a couple of pieces, So that's why, I think they should move Meier and Couture or Karlsson if they can. Not much sense in paying Meier 8m now, if the team isn't going to be good anyways if they can get at least one player who turns out to be just as good but gets paid when the team is improving/winning.

      If they can trade Meier for a 2023 1st+ 2023 2nd + a young, former 1st roster player (that seems like a bust)/B-prospect, perhaps they get 2 or 3 1st round-caliber players in the end if the 2023 draft is truly as deep as the analysts have said it is.
      19 oct. 2022 à 13 h 11
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      Quoting: GMBL
      Meier is a winger though, they are easily replaced, he's a pwf so a bit less common but chances are if he's traded for a 2023 1st, there is a high chance that they get a player that could fully replace him. He'll probably get a couple of pieces, So that's why, I think they should move Meier and Couture or Karlsson if they can. Not much sense in paying Meier 8m now, if the team isn't going to be good anyways if they can get at least one player who turns out to be just as good but gets paid when the team is improving/winning.

      If they can trade Meier for a 2023 1st+ 2023 2nd + a young, former 1st roster player (that seems like a bust)/B-prospect, perhaps they get 2 or 3 1st round-caliber players in the end if the 2023 draft is truly as deep as the analysts have said it is.


      I think Meier's 10m QO brings his value down a little. I'm not sure it's realistic to expect to get much more than a 1st and a decent prospect. I also don't think you are over 50% to get a player of Meier's caliber from a 1st round pick, especially if it's a pick outside the top 10 (which I would expect from anyone trading for Meier).
      19 oct. 2022 à 13 h 32
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      Quoting: Waffelz
      I think Meier's 10m QO brings his value down a little. I'm not sure it's realistic to expect to get much more than a 1st and a decent prospect. I also don't think you are over 50% to get a player of Meier's caliber from a 1st round pick, especially if it's a pick outside the top 10 (which I would expect from anyone trading for Meier).


      Kind of depends on when Meier gets traded, I was assuming in next off-season. I was taking into account that his situation is worse than DeBrincat's (and imo DeBrincat is more valuable). However, I was assuming that the team that trades for him will be giving the 11th-15th pick, rather than a top 10 (sure it's a deep draft but I think that's not going to change anything), a young former 1st could be a guy that maybe would get a 2nd+3rd at most or just a prospect and a 2023 2nd. Debrincat went for the 7th ov+39th ov and a 2024 3rd, so it's more or less similar. SJ doesn't have to trade Meier for less than DeBrincat or even something similar.

      I think they will try to get like 3-4 prime pieces out of him before the trade deadline out of a contender or a bubble team in the race (which could be Buffalo).
      19 oct. 2022 à 15 h 11
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      Quoting: GMBL
      2m retention for 4 years and paying 1.75m/yr in salaries (7m total) just to free up 6m in cap + what will probably be a mediocre package, they would be better off just keeping him, trading Meier's, and using that retention slot to try moving out Karlsson if some team is willing to take him at 9.5m lol (or 8.625m).

      Karlsson at 2m retention for 4 years would result in paying him ~1.63m/yr in salaries (~6.5m total) but freeing up 9.5m. If it's 2.875m retention (25% of the contract like on Couture's) would be 2.875m/yr retention, paying him 2.375m/yr in salaries (9.5m total), and freeing up 8.625m in cap space vs just 6m. Retaining on Karlsson's contract is probably better than on Couture's.

      Vlasic at 33% for the last 3 years of his contract would free up 4.69m in cap and cost 6.5m in total salaries, he would be 36-38, and probably the least valuable player to contribute. If they are trying to do a quick rebuild/retool trying to move him might make sense, but with his NMC and his age and at 4.69m, he would probably be significantly harder to move than the previous two. If they are going for a 5-year rebuild, might as well let his contract expire on the books, using the retention spot to move Karlsson would be the move, he has a NMC and said he wants to stay so if that's still true, then Couture is the only option.

      I see SJ headed into a rebuild (short or long) so freeing up cap may not be a priority but rather moving out players contracts to avoid paying their full salaries plus acquiring assets.


      U guys are pretty much screwed
      Idk what else to tell ya
      You’re not gonna get good value for your aging players that are declining- might as well just get what ya can & clear as much Cap as u can
      19 oct. 2022 à 15 h 21
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      Quoting: Buffalove
      U guys are pretty much screwed
      Idk what else to tell ya
      You’re not gonna get good value for your aging players that are declining- might as well just get what ya can & clear as much Cap as u can


      Not a Sharks fan but I agree. Their best asset to get younger/rebuild is going to be Meier, trading Couture or Karlsson would pretty much just be to clear cap. The real problem with Karlsson is that he can't stay healthy, that being said. They don't really have to move those big contracts, but the worst thing they can do is adding another by resigning Meier since what they have is not working.

      I had a feeling they would be 4th or 5th worst in the league, right now they are the worst. So, if they do end up with a top 3 pick, they can perhaps do a quick rebuild and Couture might be a guy they can still use.
      19 oct. 2022 à 17 h 36
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      Quoting: GMBL
      Not a Sharks fan but I agree. Their best asset to get younger/rebuild is going to be Meier, trading Couture or Karlsson would pretty much just be to clear cap. The real problem with Karlsson is that he can't stay healthy, that being said. They don't really have to move those big contracts, but the worst thing they can do is adding another by resigning Meier since what they have is not working.

      I had a feeling they would be 4th or 5th worst in the league, right now they are the worst. So, if they do end up with a top 3 pick, they can perhaps do a quick rebuild and Couture might be a guy they can still use.


      Maybe
      Or they could possibly get someone younger who could be of use for him
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      Maybe
      Or they could possibly get someone younger who could be of use for him


      That's why I'm against moving Meier. He's the only star player (excluding Hertl) who will likely still be a top player once guys like Eklund, Bordeleau, and Guschkin progress their development. Trading a proven top line power forward for a pick in the middle of the 1st doesn't guarantee you will get someone of the same quality to replace him.
       
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