Good luck paying him next year

Nooooo San Jose passes

He's RFA controlled and San Jose can afford to resign him, they'll need at least the 2023 1st.

There's no need to make a big move and that isn't enough for Meier anyways

not enough from MIN. They need cheap controllable contracts. Meier is not that.

It's more than what we got back for Fiala, who's a better all around player, how isn't this enough?

This is more than what Fiala got back.

Maybe, but the the 24 1st may be the smarter ask by Grier.

That's the year that will be the most difficult to manage and maneuver for Guerin. Wild could be much worse and bad that year.

No it isn’t, I’d say it’s about the same. It was also widely known that Minny couldn’t afford Fiala which will diminish his worth. Many people thought they get more than they should have for Fiala’s rights. A team trading for Meier also gets him for a playoff run too, he’s more valuable.

Yes it is. The return for Fiala was a B-level prospect (Faber), and a 1st.

This is a NHL quality player (Jost), a B-level prospect (Beckman), and a 1st.

That's MORE than what Fiala got. And the Kings paid that price for seven years of him not just one.

Meier gets less, not more than Fiala.

Furthermore, Minnesota could afford Fiala just fine, provide Guerin was comfortable sacrificing our depth to do it. He wasn't, that doesn't mean he couldn't afford him though. He simply chose to keep the team mostly intact over keeping one player.

Meier isn't more valuable than Fiala. Period.

If it is more value, it's an unsubstantial amount more and San Jose isn't backed into a corner like Minnesota was.

Meier holds more value than Fiala did, especially with everyone now knowing how much the cap is supposed to go up in the future. There was less certainty when Fiala was due.

Also, why would Minnesota be trading for Meier in the first place?

It's an NHL player (Jost) more than what Fiala got, a 3rd asset more which is a big difference, and anyone who thinks Guerin was backed into a corner is an idiot. The alternative was simply to sacrifice depth in order to keep Fiala, which Guerin refused to do. That hardly means that he was backed into a corner or that he had no leverage.

The man literally stated he felt like he got fair value back for Fiala, which was all he was looking for.

As far as the cap goes, there's more cap certainty sure, but until it does go up... GM's will operate as if it will remain static. Handing out contracts and a players trade value are two separate issues and don't have anything to do with each other. The trade market of late shows that a player in Fiala's or Meier's position and caliber warrants a B-level prospect and a 1st.

Explain to me how a worse player in Meier is worth more than the return a better player in Fiala got back while as a RFA in need of a new contract?

Finally, I never said we did. My argument is strictly in disagreeing that a worse player should be worth more than what Fiala got

How exactly does a team get Meier for a year when he’s and RFA and they could sign him for 8 years plus have a playoff run with him? You are just wrong here, and biased.

If that team was any other team besides Minnesota, you might've had a leg to stand on.

Because it's the exact same scenario as Fiala was as a RFA and signed a long-term contract with a team that wasn't the Wild this past offseason.

Same thing.

I am neither wrong or biased. I am looking at what Minnesota got for Fiala, and what the trade market winds have shown what players of Fiala’s caliber are getting in terms of value. Fiala, Reinhart, Buchnevich, specifically as far as comps go. This would include players like Nylander, Boeser, Bratt, and Meier if they were traded.

A B-level prospect and a 1st is the going rate the last three years for this level of player.

Furthermore, in Minnesota Meier is a one year rental. Period. He cannot be signed beyond this year, so would either be delt at the draft or before FA for the exact same reasons we dealt Fiala. Sure, it's possible to have kept Fiala. Just like it's possible we could keep Meier if acquired, but either of them staying comes at the expense of our depth.

Use your head.

The number of teams who would want Meier is limited to those either contending or looking to contend. Right now those teams cannot afford him, aside from Minnesota. And rebuilding teams won't be interested because he doesn't fit their timelines. That drops Meier's value in the same way it dropped Fiala's. And again, Fiala is the better player, so is worth more.

Next year the only teams that would have the cap space needed to sign him longterm is either Detroit or possibly Buffalo. San Jose shouldn't, as the Sharks need a rebuild more, over keeping a player that doesn't fit your timeline. Frankly, it's not just Meier... but Hertl too. You should've moved Hertl when you could have and not signed him longterm. Extending Meier only compounds the issue.

My guy, it’s not the same. Minnesota couldn’t afford him, every team knew that. San Jose can afford Meier.

Then every team in the league are idiots if they ever believed that.

Dumba - $6M
Talbot - $3M
Jost - $2M
Kulikov - $2M

Any combination of those 2-3 players listed traded out would have given Guerin the cap space necessary to keep Fiala.

This isn't hyperbole or rocket science here.

Don't fall into the trap of that idiotic narrative that we couldn't afford him. It's neither true or accurate. The notion that Guerin and the Wild couldn't afford Fiala is objectively wrong and false. THE ISSUE WOULD OF BEEN KEEPING BOLDY NEXT OFFSEASON.

Dumba + Talbot = $9M
Dumba + Jost = $8M
Dumba + Kulikov = $8M

Talbot + Jost + Kulikov = $7M

Fiala = 7x$7.85M

Minnesota had $7.4M in open cap space to start in UFA with 5 roster spots to sign/fill.

$7.4M + $9M = $16.4M - $7.85M (Fiala) = $8.55M

$7.4M + $8M = $15.4M - $7.85M (Fiala) = $7.55M

$7.4M + $7M = $14.4M - $7.85M (Fiala) = $6.55M

Anyone with even a basic understanding of how the cap works should understand that Guerin was under no obligation to trade Fiala either or that there weren't plenty of potential means of gaining the cap space needed to keep him.

For the umpteenth time, GUERIN CHOSE TO KEEP THE TEAM INTACT OVER KEEPING FIALA.

Conversely, Grier has $16.2M in available capspace next offseason with 7 roster spots to sign/fill.

The only difference between Fiala and Meier is Guerin would of had to move cap out in order to make it work. That's it.

So they are in fact the same scenarios. So good luck getting more for Meier then.

I look at it this way: San Jose doesn't have to choose between Meier and depth, Minnesota did with Fiala. Meier isn't immediately in need of a contract like Fiala was and odds are, there isn't only one place that Meier will sign long term with like Fiala

San Jose has more leverage with Meier than Minnesota did with Fiala, that's not debatable. It doesn't mean Minnesota had no leverage but it's also not like Guerin just chose to get rid of Fiala just because. He had to make a call, and either way he went about it, the team's current roster was going to get worse on paper. San Jose doesn't have that kind of call to make. San Jose doesn't have to move pieces around/sacrifice talent to keep Meier like Minnesota would have

And again, the value is even. If you think this trade is worth more than what Minnesota got back for Fiala, that's fine. But please recognize that it is an unsubstantial amount more, meaning that it's really irrelevant.

The draft pick would be no lower than pick 17 (2 spots lower than LA's pick last year) but with Meier especially, it's likely a less valuable pick than that.

Consensus would show Faber > Beckman

And Jost is a bottom 6er at best at this point. And he's on an expiring contract. He doesn't add much value

They are similar level players fetching similar value packages. And with what I've just tried to show you, even if Fiala is better and fetching less value back, how does that not make sense given the context?

San Jose does have the same issue of depth as we did though.

Only their issue is it’s non-existent after this season.

They have 7 rosters spots worth of it to either sign or fill with $16.2M to pay for everything. Just as it would of with Fiala, Meier is going to take up the bulk of that cap space leaving roughly half of it left over to sign 6 players.

Doable, but let's not pretend that the Wild were any different this past offseason.

Guerin had $7.4M to sign or fill 5 roster spots. San Jose will be close'ish to that number themselves post Meier extension.

In the scenarios I listed above in my last post, that number goes up to $14.4-16.4M then back down with 6-7 spots to fill after trades and signing Fiala long-term.

Putting the Wild directly in line with and basically identical with San Jose, with just a few trades on Guerin's end. With both teams having roughly around the same amount to spend on remaining roster spots. The only caveat being Guerin needed to move depth out, sign Fiala, and then replace the lost depth with cheaper alternatives.

Post Meier, San Jose is STILL looking for depth with cheaper alternatives same as Guerin would of been. They just don't have to move it out first.