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Créé par: MaximusDomi
Équipe: 2022-23 Canadiens de Montréal
Date de création initiale: 11 oct. 2022
Publié: 11 oct. 2022
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
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Had they claimed some guys on waivers
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MTL
  1. Kaut, Martin
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MTL
  1. Bemström, Emil
Détails additionnels:
Waivers
CBJ
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MTL
  1. Choix de 3e ronde en 2024 (MIN)
MIN
  1. Dadonov, Evgeni (2 500 000 $ retained)
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MTL
  1. Choix de 3e ronde en 2023 (SJS)
NSH
  1. Drouin, Jonathan (2 750 000 $ retained)
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11 oct. 2022 à 14 h 25
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Those guys cleared waivers lol
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11 oct. 2022 à 14 h 29
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Those guys cleared waivers lol


Sorry I wasn't clear in the description. My meaning here is if they picked them up (which I wish they did)
11 oct. 2022 à 14 h 32
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Sorry I wasn't clear in the description. My meaning here is if they picked them up (which I wish they did)


Yeah but then it's a what if scenario which is dumb to focus on rather than possible futures
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11 oct. 2022 à 14 h 37
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Monahan who is better than Dadonov and Drouin combine costed a 1st RD pick to move and you think you can get value back for them because you are retaining ?
Right now they have negative value, might change comes TDL tho, depending how the play
11 oct. 2022 à 15 h 11
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Yeah but then it's a what if scenario which is dumb to focus on rather than possible futures


that's literally the point of this website. "what if" managing rosters and having fun smile
11 oct. 2022 à 15 h 14
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that's literally the point of this website. "what if" managing rosters and having fun smile


A what if that isn't possible anymore? That's not productive do trades that could happen or stuff that might happen not something that you wanted to happen but didn't
11 oct. 2022 à 15 h 22
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A what if that isn't possible anymore? That's not productive do trades that could happen or stuff that might happen not something that you wanted to happen but didn't


Dont take it too seriously man. We're all just hockey fans, no need to think you're a real GM.
11 oct. 2022 à 15 h 45
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Monahan who is better than Dadonov and Drouin combine costed a 1st RD pick to move and you think you can get value back for them because you are retaining ?
Right now they have negative value, might change comes TDL tho, depending how the play


Monahan cost, because Calgary had to clear his cap to sign Kadri, so, they had to pay to get rid of him, otherwise they would be penalized.

Montreal doesn't need to get rid of these two to be cap compliant, so, there is no reason to sweeten the deal

While I don't think they have 3rd pick values at the moment, with salary retention to help a team out by giving them a roster player that would be likely contributing above their respective $2.5M cap hits, they're likely getting a 5th or 6th now, and if they play well, maybe more at the TDL
11 oct. 2022 à 17 h 24
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Monahan cost, because Calgary had to clear his cap to sign Kadri, so, they had to pay to get rid of him, otherwise they would be penalized.

Montreal doesn't need to get rid of these two to be cap compliant, so, there is no reason to sweeten the deal

While I don't think they have 3rd pick values at the moment, with salary retention to help a team out by giving them a roster player that would be likely contributing above their respective $2.5M cap hits, they're likely getting a 5th or 6th now, and if they play well, maybe more at the TDL


Drouin, Dadonov & Hoffman showed they can help a team to tank, not the other way around. They are really bad right now, they have to turn their game around big time for a team to consider them helping
11 oct. 2022 à 17 h 48
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Drouin, Dadonov & Hoffman showed they can help a team to tank, not the other way around. They are really bad right now, they have to turn their game around big time for a team to consider them helping


by your logic Kane and Toews showed they can help a team to tank too, therefore they're really bad right now.

losing your best goalie and your best defenseman, then getting the most man games lost in the NHL made for a perfect storm of garbage last season, so gauging a players capability based on that is ridiculous, and even at that, Dadonov wasn't with Montreal.... and Drouin still put up 20 points in 34 games, a 50 point pace on said dumpster fire team.

Dadonov up until last season, was still a 45 point depth forward, with playmaking ability, and at $2.5M with salary retention is likely a better contract or option than most teams have at that same salary.

Same applies to Drouin (though risk with mental issues are present).

I never mentioned Hoffman, he was a disaster before being signed, demonstrated in Florida that he was one dimensional and needed a team to carry him.

The question isn't "are they first line players" or "are they worth $5M"... the question is "can they make a team better respective to fitting them under a tight cap".... and with salary retention, on Dadonov and Drouin, the answer is most likely a yes, you're almost acting like they're 12 point guys through a regular season, and again, at $2.5M what would you expect, Foegele? Namestnikov? Engvall? Dickinson? arguably all worse at similar cap hits.

Edit: Jfresh war% for Dadonov last season was 77%, with his defence being at a career high.
11 oct. 2022 à 19 h 31
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by your logic Kane and Toews showed they can help a team to tank too, therefore they're really bad right now.

losing your best goalie and your best defenseman, then getting the most man games lost in the NHL made for a perfect storm of garbage last season, so gauging a players capability based on that is ridiculous, and even at that, Dadonov wasn't with Montreal.... and Drouin still put up 20 points in 34 games, a 50 point pace on said dumpster fire team.

Dadonov up until last season, was still a 45 point depth forward, with playmaking ability, and at $2.5M with salary retention is likely a better contract or option than most teams have at that same salary.

Same applies to Drouin (though risk with mental issues are present).

I never mentioned Hoffman, he was a disaster before being signed, demonstrated in Florida that he was one dimensional and needed a team to carry him.

The question isn't "are they first line players" or "are they worth $5M"... the question is "can they make a team better respective to fitting them under a tight cap".... and with salary retention, on Dadonov and Drouin, the answer is most likely a yes, you're almost acting like they're 12 point guys through a regular season, and again, at $2.5M what would you expect, Foegele? Namestnikov? Engvall? Dickinson? arguably all worse at similar cap hits.

Edit: Jfresh war% for Dadonov last season was 77%, with his defence being at a career high.


Drouin is dog****, he’s been bad the last 5 years, no matter his PPG. Teams rather have guys like Hagel Lehkonen Foegele Goodrow Coleman then some guys like Hoffman Drouin Dadonov

They are not what you are looking for to go deep in a playoff run

Dadonov might bring something half retained but no one wants Hoffman and his contract

Drouin just isn’t made for the playoffs
11 oct. 2022 à 19 h 51
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Drouin is dog****, he’s been bad the last 5 years, no matter his PPG. Teams rather have guys like Hagel Lehkonen Foegele Goodrow Coleman then some guys like Hoffman Drouin Dadonov

They are not what you are looking for to go deep in a playoff run

Dadonov might bring something half retained but no one wants Hoffman and his contract

Drouin just isn’t made for the playoffs


Stop bringing up Hoffman, I've never even suggested it, nor has the OP.

You're the one bringing him up, stay on topic dude.

Drouin had 1 playoff run with Montreal (they've only made the playoffs twice since he's been with the team), 7 points in 10 games, probably says more for how bad Montreal has been, and how Price covered that up.

Again, as I've referred to, his mental game is a risk, the question is, will a team take that risk, I think so, because right now in the west you have Colorado-Edmonton-Calgary running the show, the remaining 5 playoff teams can use all the help they can get.

The east is running with Tampa, Carolina and Florida....

So, would a Minnesota be willing to take that chance? the Rangers? Pittsburgh?.... I don't know, but I think those teams will be buyers, and sellers markets almost always incite an over payment or people taking risks to try to put themselves over the top, some work out, some don't.
11 oct. 2022 à 20 h 52
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Stop bringing up Hoffman, I've never even suggested it, nor has the OP.

You're the one bringing him up, stay on topic dude.

Drouin had 1 playoff run with Montreal (they've only made the playoffs twice since he's been with the team), 7 points in 10 games, probably says more for how bad Montreal has been, and how Price covered that up.

Again, as I've referred to, his mental game is a risk, the question is, will a team take that risk, I think so, because right now in the west you have Colorado-Edmonton-Calgary running the show, the remaining 5 playoff teams can use all the help they can get.

The east is running with Tampa, Carolina and Florida....

So, would a Minnesota be willing to take that chance? the Rangers? Pittsburgh?.... I don't know, but I think those teams will be buyers, and sellers markets almost always incite an over payment or people taking risks to try to put themselves over the top, some work out, some don't.


Try to find a fan base welling to take on Drouin without a sweetener
11 oct. 2022 à 21 h 17
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Try to find a fan base welling to take on Drouin without a sweetener


The whole nature of an ACGM is a hypothetical, I can hypothetically find some teams, and you can hypothetically disagree, so no point beating a dead horse.

The other part is, I don't care what a fan base thinks, it's what a GM thinks that matters.

Historically GM's have made some very questionable moves, in the desperation to take the next step in the playoffs, or to save their own jobs.

Washington traded a 1st round pick in 2013 for a 31 year old Erat, who had 21 points in 36 games, Drouin had 20 in 34 last year.... not saying Drouin is worth a 1st, but GM's do stupid things come TDL time.
11 oct. 2022 à 21 h 20
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The whole nature of an ACGM is a hypothetical, I can hypothetically find some teams, and you can hypothetically disagree, so no point beating a dead horse.

The other part is, I don't care what a fan base thinks, it's what a GM thinks that matters.

Historically GM's have made some very questionable moves, in the desperation to take the next step in the playoffs, or to save their own jobs.

Washington traded a 1st round pick in 2013 for a 31 year old Erat, who had 21 points in 36 games, Drouin had 20 in 34 last year.... not saying Drouin is worth a 1st, but GM's do stupid things come TDL time.


You keep bringing the points with Drouin, but Drouin can’t hit, doesn’t go in corners, can’t play defense, doesn’t go in front of the net, his shot is super bad (due to his wrist injury) and he can’t stay healthy. At this point he is a PP specialist and still he can’t make a zone entry
That’s how scouts views Drouin
11 oct. 2022 à 21 h 25
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You keep bringing the points with Drouin, but Drouin can’t hit, doesn’t go in corners, can’t play defense, doesn’t go in front of the net, his shot is super bad (due to his wrist injury) and he can’t stay healthy. At this point he is a PP specialist and still he can’t make a zone entry
That’s how scouts views Drouin


You literally just quoted Erat's entire career there trying to knock Drouin... and yet, my point of GM's overvaluing players still happens.

You can ignore the historical trades as much as you want, but hindsight is great to demonstrate patterns.... again, like GM's overvaluing players, and the impact of sellers markets at the TDL inflating returns.
 
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