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Équipe: 2022-23 Red Wings de Detroit
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Vrana scores, but I don't like him. Not sure why, but I just don't jive well with the guy. Calgary needs a winger (which Detroit have a couple too many of at the moment), and Detroit could use a solid (right handed) RD. And I've been told that if any trade to come fr Calgary, it would be a D-man. Berggren can then get the TOI he deserves in a 2nd line with Copp and Perron.
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11 oct. 2022 à 10 h 7
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Easy no from Calgary
11 oct. 2022 à 10 h 14
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Easy no from Calgary


Just let us take them Swedes you got off your hands smile I'm sure you'd be fine.
11 oct. 2022 à 10 h 32
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Yikes
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11 oct. 2022 à 10 h 37
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Easy no from Detroit, We're not trading Vrana anytime soon.
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11 oct. 2022 à 11 h 47
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Yeah why would the Red Wings want a player who scores?
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11 oct. 2022 à 11 h 54
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Easy no from Calgary

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Easy no from Detroit, We're not trading Vrana anytime soon.




No from fans on either side. That's a start. "Vrana too good" vs "Rasmussen too good". Vrana produces scoring, but is not solid enough defensively imo. Plus just look at his face.. I think a trade of Vrana for Andersson is a good trade for both sides. Even if it'll mean slightly less goals for Detroit it'll mean a bigger drop in goals against. And Calgary needs a goal scoring winger to make a run at the cup. There's solid enough defence remaining.
11 oct. 2022 à 12 h 15
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No from fans on either side. That's a start. "Vrana too good" vs "Rasmussen too good". Vrana produces scoring, but is not solid enough defensively imo. Plus just look at his face.. I think a trade of Vrana for Andersson is a good trade for both sides. Even if it'll mean slightly less goals for Detroit it'll mean a bigger drop in goals against. And Calgary needs a goal scoring winger to make a run at the cup. There's solid enough defence remaining.


No it's not, Andersson is a top 25 dman in the league maning less than 5M for 4 more years. Vrana is a 2nd line winger making over 5M for the next 2 years.
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11 oct. 2022 à 12 h 58
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Rasmus holds a lot more value. He's a top pairing RD on a team that was first in their division and just put up 50 points.
Vrana is a injury-prone second-line winger.
Not even bringing up the contract situation (guess what, Andersson has double the term).

Quoting: CringleMcDingleberry
No from fans on either side. That's a start. "Vrana too good" vs "Rasmussen too good". Vrana produces scoring, but is not solid enough defensively imo. Plus just look at his face.. I think a trade of Vrana for Andersson is a good trade for both sides. Even if it'll mean slightly less goals for Detroit it'll mean a bigger drop in goals against. And Calgary needs a goal scoring winger to make a run at the cup. There's solid enough defence remaining.


It's a terrible deal and the flames would never consider it. Flames org loves Rasmus as he's run with every opportunity. He's locked up for 4 more years through his prime. Vrana is injury prone, playing only 26 games last season and missing substantial time in seasons prior.
11 oct. 2022 à 13 h 6
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Quoting: CringleMcDingleberry
No from fans on either side. That's a start. "Vrana too good" vs "Rasmussen too good". Vrana produces scoring, but is not solid enough defensively imo. Plus just look at his face.. I think a trade of Vrana for Andersson is a good trade for both sides. Even if it'll mean slightly less goals for Detroit it'll mean a bigger drop in goals against. And Calgary needs a goal scoring winger to make a run at the cup. There's solid enough defence remaining.


First you come up with "Vrana and Elmo are interchangeable", and now this nonsense....

Your math is off - that's the nicest way I can put it.
11 oct. 2022 à 13 h 40
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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
No it's not, Andersson is a top 25 dman in the league maning less than 5M for 4 more years. Vrana is a 2nd line winger making over 5M for the next 2 years.


Not to mention Vrana's defensive game is... subpar. It seems Wings fans are at the point Caps fans were a couple years ago, with pretending that Vrana is worth more than he is because he has stretches of decent play, but also can't defend for his life. Hopefully they get out of their trance faster than us Caps fans did, but in my opinion, he's an empty calorie scorer that isn't nearly as valuable as Andersson.
11 oct. 2022 à 13 h 57
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Flames Decline. What might CGY get on Trade for Oliver Kylington who is available instead though!?

CGY adds a Pick or Sweetener to acquire rental Tyler Bertuzzi assuming his Anti-Vax and the Covid Border Restrictions are no longer an issue

Or perhaps Kubalik + one of Soderblom or Veleno OR maybe CGY adds a Sweetener (like either Adam Ruzicka or Matthew Phillips & Walker Duehr) to acquire both Kubalik and either Zadina or Rasmussen!?
11 oct. 2022 à 13 h 59
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Not to mention Vrana's defensive game is... subpar. It seems Wings fans are at the point Caps fans were a couple years ago, with pretending that Vrana is worth more than he is because he has stretches of decent play, but also can't defend for his life. Hopefully they get out of their trance faster than us Caps fans did, but in my opinion, he's an empty calorie scorer that isn't nearly as valuable as Andersson.


I would be open to a trade around Kylington for him but Andersson is just drastically more valuable
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11 oct. 2022 à 14 h 4
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I would be open to a trade around Kylington for him but Andersson is just drastically more valuable

Only way I see that Trade happening might be Kylington + Zadorov for Vrana + Hagg, I wouldn't want to offer up Dube, but what were your thoughts!?
11 oct. 2022 à 14 h 14
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Only way I see that Trade happening might be Kylington + Zadorov for Vrana + Hagg, I wouldn't want to offer up Dube, but what were your thoughts!?


Calgary simply is not going to trade Zadorov. The PR backlash would be horrible. I don't agree with Hague needing to be included
11 oct. 2022 à 14 h 46
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Calgary simply is not going to trade Zadorov. The PR backlash would be horrible. I don't agree with Hague needing to be included

So who would they include with Kylington for Vrana!? OR what would you offer as compensation for DET retaining 50% on Vrana for 2 years if they were willing to do so? I don't think Kylington by himself is enough for Vrana. I don't disagree with you on Zadorov, but I also don't want to offer Dube. If we did give up an LD, I'd want Hagg as additional depth in return
11 oct. 2022 à 15 h 6
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First you come up with "Vrana and Elmo are interchangeable", and now this nonsense....

Your math is off - that's the nicest way I can put it.


How is the math wrong? Something a bit more constructive would be appreciated then. Calgary fans are saying the trade would be way better for Detroit and Detroit fans are saying it's way better for Calgary. I honestly tend to agree with them on this one and wanted to check what the feedback would be on that kind of trade proposed.

Also - Please re-read the Elmo/Vrana comments and note the scope of how they would be interchangeable.

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So who would they include with Kylington for Vrana!? OR what would you offer as compensation for DET retaining 50% on Vrana for 2 years if they were willing to do so? I don't think Kylington by himself is enough for Vrana. I don't disagree with you on Zadorov, but I also don't want to offer Dube. If we did give up an LD, I'd want Hagg as additional depth in return


How about we throw you a Berggren with Vrana (assuming he is promised a top 6 position by next season) for Andersson?
11 oct. 2022 à 15 h 28
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So who would they include with Kylington for Vrana!? OR what would you offer as compensation for DET retaining 50% on Vrana for 2 years if they were willing to do so? I don't think Kylington by himself is enough for Vrana. I don't disagree with you on Zadorov, but I also don't want to offer Dube. If we did give up an LD, I'd want Hagg as additional depth in return


I don't think Vrana is a good fit, I simply wouldn't make an offer for him. So as for a trade around Kylington I haven't put thought into it
11 oct. 2022 à 15 h 38
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I don't think Vrana is a good fit, I simply wouldn't make an offer for him. So as for a trade around Kylington I haven't put thought into it


How about Kylington for Fabbri, Suter or Erne?
11 oct. 2022 à 15 h 53
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How about Kylington for Fabbri, Suter or Erne?


Nah, Fabbro can't stay healthy, Pius is worse than Kylington and Erne is a 4th liner
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Nah, Fabbro can't stay healthy, Pius is worse than Kylington and Erne is a 4th liner


Kylington is at 2.5mil. 2 those of those players are above that pay grade at 3-4m. What would be a fair trade for Kylington in your opinion? I get the feeling a trade you'd find fair is something like Larkin, Raymond and Bertuzzi for Kylington.
11 oct. 2022 à 18 h 10
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Kylington is at 2.5mil. 2 those of those players are above that pay grade at 3-4m. What would be a fair trade for Kylington in your opinion? I get the feeling a trade you'd find fair is something like Larkin, Raymond and Bertuzzi for Kylington.

That’s unrealistic, but Flames need a player they can use and Fabbro (injured), Suter & Erne aren’t helpful and simply don’t improve the Flames is all
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That’s unrealistic, but Flames need a player they can use and Fabbro (injured), Suter & Erne aren’t helpful and simply don’t improve the Flames is all


Although I'd find it unlikely that SY and Lalonde would agree to it, but I could see either Bertuzzi or Vrana go for Kylington + 1st or Maybe a 2nd round pick. Although then Calgary would be stuck with a Cap problem. Maybe Zadina or maybe Kubalik would be a suitable fit for a Kylington trade. There's also the factor of why Kylington has an IR status.. How long will he be out for?
11 oct. 2022 à 19 h 26
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Quoting: CringleMcDingleberry
Although I'd find it unlikely that SY and Lalonde would agree to it, but I could see either Bertuzzi or Vrana go for Kylington + 1st or Maybe a 2nd round pick. Although then Calgary would be stuck with a Cap problem. Maybe Zadina or maybe Kubalik would be a suitable fit for a Kylington trade. There's also the factor of why Kylington has an IR status.. How long will he be out for?

Whatever issue Kylington has been dealing with hasn’t been disclosed, but given he wasn’t put on LTIR, I can’t imagine it being long. Id do Kylington + a 2nd for Bertizzi 50% retained since he’d just be a rental for us but that’s about it.

I’d want definitely more than just Kubalik or Zadina alone for Kylington CGY might add Matthew Phillips or Walker Duehr if it’s for both though. Zadina seems to be DET’s version of our Valimaki. Not considered a bust just yet, but not living/playing up to expectations.
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Kylington is at 2.5mil. 2 those of those players are above that pay grade at 3-4m. What would be a fair trade for Kylington in your opinion? I get the feeling a trade you'd find fair is something like Larkin, Raymond and Bertuzzi for Kylington.


?

Im not an idiot. Kylington is simply a top 4 dman making 2.5M. just because you can't appreciate his value doesn't mean my views on him are bad. I would value Kylington at around 2 2nds.
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Im not an idiot. Kylington is simply a top 4 dman making 2.5M. just because you can't appreciate his value doesn't mean my views on him are bad. I would value Kylington at around 2 2nds.


What is Kylington worth to Calgary's roster at this point in time though? It's not just looking at him as a player isolated. If there were to be a hypothetical trade for Calgary for Kylington (or Andersson either for that matter), do you want to trade for a rebuild or for a cup run? Kubalik would be a fair trade for Kylington (Offensive depth for Defensive depth). Even Vrana or Bertuzzi would be an ok trade assuming Calgary added something, like a 2nd round draft (23 or 24). Although that would cause some Cap problems.. With Weegar now on the team, Calgary have room to let Kylington move to a team who could make good use of a young RD. Meanwhile Calgary picks up someone with a proven goal scoring ability to add some depth to your Offense. Like Kylington for Kubalik. Or Vrana for Andersson.
 
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