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Équipe: 2022-23 Wild du Minnesota
Date de création initiale: 3 oct. 2022
Publié: 3 oct. 2022
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
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A net cap savings of $4.5 for the leafs here
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2024
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TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2282 500 000 $82 882 620 $0 $1 532 500 $-382 620 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
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9 000 000 $9 000 000 $
AG
UFA - 4
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1 700 000 $1 700 000 $
C, AD
UFA - 2
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6 000 000 $6 000 000 $
AD, AG
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 2
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880 833 $880 833 $ (Bonis de performance600 000 $$600K)
AD, AG
UFA - 1
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863 333 $863 333 $ (Bonis de performance850 000 $$850K)
C
RFA - 3
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6 962 366 $6 962 366 $
AD
UFA - 2
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3 500 000 $3 500 000 $
AG, C, AD
M-NTC
UFA - 1
Logo de Wild du Minnesota
5 250 000 $5 250 000 $
C
UFA - 7
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3 100 000 $3 100 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 2
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800 000 $800 000 $
AG, C
RFA - 2
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1 200 000 $1 200 000 $
C, AG
UFA - 1
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825 000 $825 000 $
C, AG
RFA - 1
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
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6 000 000 $6 000 000 $
DG
NMC
UFA - 6
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7 575 000 $7 575 000 $
DD
NMC
UFA - 5
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3 500 000 $3 500 000 $
G
NMC
UFA - 2
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2 450 000 $2 450 000 $
DG
UFA - 3
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795 000 $795 000 $ (Bonis de performance82 500 $$82K)
DD
RFA - 1
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787 500 $787 500 $
G
UFA - 1
Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
2 000 000 $2 000 000 $
DD
M-NTC
UFA - 1
Logo de Wild du Minnesota
1 200 000 $1 200 000 $
DG
UFA - 3
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
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750 000 $750 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 1
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2 000 000 $2 000 000 $
DG/DD
NMC
UFA - 2

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3 oct. 2022 à 9 h 56
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Incoming angry Wild and Leafs fans
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3 oct. 2022 à 9 h 57
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Incoming angry Wild and Leafs fans


Yeah, this just doesn't work.
3 oct. 2022 à 10 h 0
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Yeah, this just doesn't work.


In what sense? the leafs upgrade on D, take a slight hit at forward and gain $4.5M in cap space
3 oct. 2022 à 10 h 4
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In what sense? the leafs upgrade on D, take a slight hit at forward and gain $4.5M in cap space


It doesn't work because depth scoring has been an issue over the last couple of post seasons. Trading away Nylander creates a bigger hole, a hole that Greenway and Jost can't fill. Not to mention Kerfoot's production is off the books as well. More depth on forward taking a hit.

Sure there is an upgrade on D, but it's not proportional to the hit they are taking at F.
3 oct. 2022 à 10 h 6
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value is horrible for the leafs. no deal
3 oct. 2022 à 10 h 7
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3 oct. 2022 à 10 h 25
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People round here just love to make the leafs weaker on forward for a defender who isnt really that good that they dont even need
3 oct. 2022 à 10 h 26
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In what sense? the leafs upgrade on D, take a slight hit at forward and gain $4.5M in cap space


Because dumba isnt very good and they dont need him remotely at the cost of two top 6 forwards and then to add insult to injury they gotta pay dumba inflated ufa prices after one season
3 oct. 2022 à 13 h 14
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I will never understand the fascination people have with trying to make trades sending Holl and Kerfoot to MN.
3 oct. 2022 à 13 h 34
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I will never understand the fascination people have with trying to make trades sending Holl and Kerfoot to MN.


If it meant that the wild could acquire Nylander, why would they not take those 2 on?
3 oct. 2022 à 16 h 58
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If it meant that the wild could acquire Nylander, why would they not take those 2 on?


Well we wouldn't be cap compliant with the trade as stated here so we wouldn't have Nylander. Also, we're not going to be able to afford to re-sign him after next season so is he a 1 year rental? Adding him makes sense if we were pushing all in for 1 year, but this isn't the year to do that. I don't see how taking on Holl, who is not good, and Kerfoot to help Toronto out of their cap issues somehow makes it better to add Nylander for 1 year. If we're trading for a guy like Nylander, I want some term behind it or I want it to be part of a hard push for the cup which isn't happening this year.
3 oct. 2022 à 17 h 59
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Well we wouldn't be cap compliant with the trade as stated here so we wouldn't have Nylander. Also, we're not going to be able to afford to re-sign him after next season so is he a 1 year rental? Adding him makes sense if we were pushing all in for 1 year, but this isn't the year to do that. I don't see how taking on Holl, who is not good, and Kerfoot to help Toronto out of their cap issues somehow makes it better to add Nylander for 1 year. If we're trading for a guy like Nylander, I want some term behind it or I want it to be part of a hard push for the cup which isn't happening this year.


To say they aren't Cap compliant after this trade is a rather large oversight with a $2M D man as a scratch - they could easily move Merrill and call up an AHL defender to be the scratch, also if they aren't making a push for the cup why would they resign Fleury and why would he resign here? He just wanted to play out his last couple years in the league on a team that isn't going for it? Nylander has another year after this one as well, which, the Wild will lose both Dumba and Jost, so all you are really doing is trading Greenway for Nylander in this deal, where there are currently 14 different forwards which would not at all be surprising to see them make the roster out of camp.
3 oct. 2022 à 18 h 31
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To say they aren't Cap compliant after this trade is a rather large oversight with a $2M D man as a scratch - they could easily move Merrill and call up an AHL defender to be the scratch, also if they aren't making a push for the cup why would they resign Fleury and why would he resign here? He just wanted to play out his last couple years in the league on a team that isn't going for it? Nylander has another year after this one as well, which, the Wild will lose both Dumba and Jost, so all you are really doing is trading Greenway for Nylander in this deal, where there are currently 14 different forwards which would not at all be surprising to see them make the roster out of camp.

1. "$2M D man as a scratch" - assuming you are referring to Goligoski, he's not a scratch as he's expected to play most games on the bottom pair -- rotating with Merrill, Addison, and Sustr.
2. "easily move Merrill and call up an AHL defender" - why would we move a player we just extended for 3 years on a very cheap deal? Also, we may have a strong D pipeline but none of them are ready for this season (including Faber who we won't get until the very end of the season).
3. "why would they resign Fleury and why would he resign here?" - cuz MAF likes Guerin and Guerin likes MAF. Other than that, idk.
4. We aren't interested in trading Greenway after we extended him to an affordable 3 year deal and he's been instrumental in turning the GREEF line into the best defensive line in the league.
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3 oct. 2022 à 22 h 24
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To say they aren't Cap compliant after this trade is a rather large oversight with a $2M D man as a scratch - they could easily move Merrill and call up an AHL defender to be the scratch, also if they aren't making a push for the cup why would they resign Fleury and why would he resign here? He just wanted to play out his last couple years in the league on a team that isn't going for it? Nylander has another year after this one as well, which, the Wild will lose both Dumba and Jost, so all you are really doing is trading Greenway for Nylander in this deal, where there are currently 14 different forwards which would not at all be surprising to see them make the roster out of camp.


There's a big difference between being a good team with a chance to contend and pushing all in to go for the cup right now. We aren't going to be going all in for a cup until after cap hell is over. Until then, we'll put a very competitive team out there with a chance to contend, but the window isn't truly open yet IMO.

As for Nylander having another year, I understand that. Realistically though, we aren't going to keep him until next year's deadline then trade him and we wouldn't want a player with as much value as he'd have walking for nothing after his contract. Since we can't afford to extend him, we'd most likely have to move him after this season when he still has 1 year left and we can get value back instead of letting him inevitably walk as a UFA. The comment I made about having term meant having enough term where he'd be here past cap hell and into our cup window and/or when we could afford to possibly re-sign him if we want. Trading for a ~$7 million player whose contract ends during the peak of the buyouts and would be due a raise is basically just trading for a rental.

@Gopherit covered what would be most of my other comments in response to your previous post. I will add that "they could easily make other trades to make the cap work" posts are the laziest things on here and annoy the hell out of me. You're the one that made the post. You can't act like it was my oversight to put the team over the cap with Goligoski in the press box. The roster you constructed has -$382,620 in cap space which means the team isn't cap compliant. That was 100% your decision, not mine.
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