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Bs look to change things up

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Équipe: 2022-23 Bruins de Boston
Date de création initiale: 28 sept. 2022
Publié: 28 sept. 2022
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B's would still have lots of cap to acquire another top 4 dman if needed at the TDL.
Options i would consider.
-Travis Sanheim
-Brendan Dillon
-Ryan Graves
-Vladislav Gavrikov
-Shayne Ghostisbhere
- Carson Soucy
-Kevin Shattenkirk
-Jake Muzzin (toronto needs cap, could be a big steal if he can stay healthy)

Anthony Duclair could be out for close to most of the season with a torn achilles. B's could choose to try and rest him for majority of the year so they will have him healthy for PO's if they make it and then they could form a strong 3rd line with duclair-zacha-coyle and smith can bump down to the 4th or they could run a bottom 6 consisting of basically 2 3rd lines in
McMichael- Zacha- Duclair
Greer/Stud- Coyle - Smith


the only trade im really unsure of is the washington trade.
McMichael definitely under performed last season but he is still just 21 and could still breakout. But washington is in win now mode and could look to improve their defence, washington has a lot of forward depth and if Lapierre makes the cut then that strengthens their top 9 even more, this could make mcmichael available, i see grzelcyk being a good fit alongside TVR or Jensen and gives washington a solid 3 defensive pairings aswell as freddy fits washingtons chippy/dirty style of play and dealing with hathaway/orlov/wilson and freddy every night would be a pain.

i would also consider removing the picks or making washingtons pick a 3rd and B's give no pick but i wanna hear caps fans thoughts 1st and then maybe i could re-work the trade in another ACGM if their is mutual interest


Though moving Grz and reilly is a lot of d depth gone im wiling to risk it as i think zboril is gonna have a breakout year and stralman is a good partner for forbort, along with clifton is good depth and Ahcan could be a grz like replacement especially after the way he has played . in his few nhl games and this pre-season. other guys like wissman/ carrick are capable depth and we could potentially see young guys like mast/ berglund/ callahan make some noise in the AHL and be other guys that could be potentially be bottom pair replacements incase of injuries
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  1. Choix de 4e ronde en 2023 (WSH)
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any team looking for a solid bottom 6 forward who is reliable in the dzone and faceoff circle and can chip in okay offence due to his size and being able to drive the net well
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  2. Grzelcyk, Matt
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  1. Reilly, Mike
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could this be something that works? B's need more offensive fire power and florida needs better defenceman.

Reilly is no weegar but he is definitely and improvement over most their left side options in staal, carlsson, del zotto, sjalin.

would probably make a solid pairing with gudas or ekblad.

could see pairings of.

Forsling- Ekblad
Reilly- Gudas
Staal- Montour
del zotto

anyways who adds and how much if needed
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28 sept. 2022 à 13 h 11
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28 sept. 2022 à 13 h 21
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very helpful comment thanks!
28 sept. 2022 à 14 h 0
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All three trades are easily rejected...and Boston would definitely have to add to that trade.
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28 sept. 2022 à 14 h 3
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All three trades are easily rejected...and Boston would definitely have to add to that trade.


well i mean i did ask for help with changes...

reilly is better for florida now then duclair with him missing lots of time. i don't think people realize how bad floridas defence actually is. outside ekblad and forsling not one of their guys deserve to be in the top 4
28 sept. 2022 à 14 h 20
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-a 30 year old forward making $1.75M coming off a year where he had three (3) goals in 75 GP isn't getting you a 4th, not from any team. Andrew Cogliano was a similarly profiled player last season and he only got back a 5th rounder *after* Anaheim retained him down to $500K. You're moving Nosek for FC or you're retaining fully and getting back a late round pick.

-With Nick Backstrom possibly gone for the whole year, I can't see the Caps trading a potential C replacement in Connor McMichael, especially not when you're asking them to also trade down from the 2nd to the 4th and only sending back a mildly pricey LD2 coming off an injury and a 4th liner.

-Boston would add a ton to a Reilly - Duclair swap. Duclair scored 30 goals last season, and even if he's missing a chunk due to injury this year, he's still more valuable to the Panthers than spending $3M on a guy who'd be LD3 for them (I like Reilly but I don't see him pushing Brandon Montour or Gustav Forsling out of their spots.) With Florida being tight against the cap, I feel like they'd take 50ish games of Duclair at $3M over a full season of Reilly at LD3 for the same price, so Boston adds something notable to convince them to do the deal.
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-a 30 year old forward making $1.75M coming off a year where he had three (3) goals in 75 GP isn't getting you a 4th, not from any team. Andrew Cogliano was a similarly profiled player last season and he only got back a 5th rounder *after* Anaheim retained him down to $500K. You're moving Nosek for FC or you're retaining fully and getting back a late round pick.

-With Nick Backstrom possibly gone for the whole year, I can't see the Caps trading a potential C replacement in Connor McMichael, especially not when you're asking them to also trade down from the 2nd to the 4th and only sending back a mildly pricey LD2 coming off an injury and a 4th liner.

-Boston would add a ton to a Reilly - Duclair swap. Duclair scored 30 goals last season, and even if he's missing a chunk due to injury this year, he's still more valuable to the Panthers than spending $3M on a guy who'd be LD3 for them (I like Reilly but I don't see him pushing Brandon Montour or Gustav Forsling out of their spots.) With Florida being tight against the cap, I feel like they'd take 50ish games of Duclair at $3M over a full season of Reilly at LD3 for the same price, so Boston adds something notable to convince them to do the deal.


duclair won't play 50 games he will be lucky to play 20 if that. 1 achilles tears are very serious injury and 2 he is a player that relies on his speed to create offence, he will need much more time to heal so he can regain his previous form.

i like duclair a lot but i see him more as a 18-22 goal scorer, his production was definitely increased by that fact that he either player on barkov or huberdeaus line all season.
28 sept. 2022 à 14 h 26
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A very easy no from Caps, they need the 2nd and McM way more than those pieces coming back.

The FLA trade is interesting tho, maybe Boston has to add something minor.
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duclair won't play 50 games he will be lucky to play 20 if that. 1 achilles tears are very serious injury and 2 he is a player that relies on his speed to create offence, he will need much more time to heal so he can regain his previous form.

i like duclair a lot but i see him more as a 18-22 goal scorer, his production was definitely increased by that fact that he either player on barkov or huberdeaus line all season.


AP said mid-season when surgery happened a few months ago so I figured 40-50 games + playoffs would be his availability, but I can't argue against the uncertainty around him returning to form. And even if you think 31 goals last season was goosed by Huberdeau & Barkov, he still scored at nearly the same pace (on a lower shooting %, to boot!) on the 2019-20 Senators when his main linemates were JG Pageau, Chris Tierney, Vlad Namestinkov, and Brady Tkachuk. Besides Brady, not a ton of offensive dynamos in that lineup - I think 25 goals in a full season with decent linemates would be a decent expectation on a healthy Duclair.

Again, I think it boils down to the fact that Reilly is a luxury for a Panthers team with not a ton of room for one. He'd be a $3M LD3 for a team with a cap crunch (and a handful of sub-$900K options to fill that spot already), and when you add that in to the fact that Florida also can see your LD depth chart (at least 5 guys pushing for 3 spots when everyone's healthy) and do the same math you're doing, they're going to view Reilly as a guy that you arguably need to move, while Duclair isn't that for the Panthers. So that's why, injury aside, I still say that Boston adds a sizable asset to a Reilly-Duclair swap - even if the last half of 2022-23 is spent getting back into game shape for Duclair, you still have him at a very cheap AAV for 2023-24 when he'll be more than a year removed from his injury and back to full strength.
28 sept. 2022 à 14 h 40
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I just don’t see why Washington would sell on mcmichael right now.

Also, hate all those options you listed for top four D. They kinda stink.

Where does duclair play when healthy?
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AP said mid-season when surgery happened a few months ago so I figured 40-50 games + playoffs would be his availability, but I can't argue against the uncertainty around him returning to form. And even if you think 31 goals last season was goosed by Huberdeau & Barkov, he still scored at nearly the same pace (on a lower shooting %, to boot!) on the 2019-20 Senators when his main linemates were JG Pageau, Chris Tierney, Vlad Namestinkov, and Brady Tkachuk. Besides Brady, not a ton of offensive dynamos in that lineup - I think 25 goals in a full season with decent linemates would be a decent expectation on a healthy Duclair.

Again, I think it boils down to the fact that Reilly is a luxury for a Panthers team with not a ton of room for one. He'd be a $3M LD3 for a team with a cap crunch (and a handful of sub-$900K options to fill that spot already), and when you add that in to the fact that Florida also can see your LD depth chart (at least 5 guys pushing for 3 spots when everyone's healthy) and do the same math you're doing, they're going to view Reilly as a guy that you arguably need to move, while Duclair isn't that for the Panthers. So that's why, injury aside, I still say that Boston adds a sizable asset to a Reilly-Duclair swap - even if the last half of 2022-23 is spent getting back into game shape for Duclair, you still have him at a very cheap AAV for 2023-24 when he'll be more than a year removed from his injury and back to full strength.


fair enough i understand your reasoning.

1 thing i want to point out though about duclairs 2019-20 season was that, that season wasn't really as good of a season as the numbers showed. Yes he was electric to start the year but he only scored about 2 goals in the final 30ish games that is the main reason ottawa let him go, because the consistency was not there. Now on florida he scored at a more consistent rate but do you not think that consistency came from playing with either one of the best LW's or best C's in the league?
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A very easy no from Caps, they need the 2nd and McM way more than those pieces coming back.

The FLA trade is interesting tho, maybe Boston has to add something minor.


would a grzelcyk+freddy for mcmichael straight up be more enticing?
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would a grzelcyk+freddy for mcmichael straight up be more enticing?


No. No need for an LD and Fredric is a whatever player. No reason to give up a future/possibly current Top 6 center for two guys who do nothing for Washington.
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would a grzelcyk+freddy for mcmichael straight up be more enticing?


McMichael isn't moving. Him and Lapierre are the future core here
 
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