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Créé par: jpsnow13
Équipe: 2022-23 Canadiens de Montréal
Date de création initiale: 8 sept. 2022
Publié: 27 sept. 2022
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
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  1. Allen, Jake
  2. Armia, Joel
  3. Price, Carey
  4. Choix de 2e ronde en 2024 (COL)
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27 sept. 2022 à 21 h 29
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If Price is finished, Florida would take that and run.

No way does Bobrovsky waive for Montreal though.
27 sept. 2022 à 21 h 32
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If Price is finished, Florida would take that and run.

No way does Bobrovsky waive for Montreal though.


I don't think so neither but who knows
27 sept. 2022 à 21 h 42
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I think this would be bad move for the Habs to make right now. Not really sure what the point is either. Bobrovsky had mediocre numbers in Florida. Can you imagine how bad his numbers would be with this team?
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27 sept. 2022 à 22 h 4
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I think this would be bad move for the Habs to make right now. Not really sure what the point is either. Bobrovsky had mediocre numbers in Florida. Can you imagine how bad his numbers would be with this team?


O.913 is mediocre? I mean Florida isn't known for their thight defensive system neither.

Pros for MTL:
-Getting rid of a boat load of LTIR money, at least for a couple of years.
-Getting a proven number one who can play 50+ games which they don't have.
- Solifify the team's defense to help the prospects to develop in an environment where they are not destroyed every game. (People are hyped rn but it's gonna get ugly real quick like last season).
27 sept. 2022 à 22 h 41
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O.913 is mediocre? I mean Florida isn't known for their thight defensive system neither.

Pros for MTL:
-Getting rid of a boat load of LTIR money, at least for a couple of years.
-Getting a proven number one who can play 50+ games which they don't have.
- Solifify the team's defense to help the prospects to develop in an environment where they are not destroyed every game. (People are hyped rn but it's gonna get ugly real quick like last season).


He's making 10 million dollars a year though. Yes 0.913 is mediocre and even if that is considered good, that is on a Florida team that was very good last year despite not being a defensive stalwart. Playing in the offensive zone all the time is just as good as playing good in the defensive zone more often. He's going to have a bunch of rookies and #3-5 dmen in front of him. He could just end up being a healthy 10M sub .900 goalie. Why take such a huge unnecessary risk?

Want to get a better goalie for the youngsters? Get a better goalie than Allen that doesn't cost a fortune. Problem solved. Varlamov is probably available and next year get someone in free agency if need be. Jarry maybe.

-LTIR money is better to have than that of equal money in bad cap thats healthy. Give me a LTIR Price over a healthy Bobrovsky any day of the week. Price im sure has more value right now than Bobrovsky, assuming Price stays LTIRetired. (Which I think he is and everyone knows now)

-Also Allen is no slouch here and the difference between Bobrovsky and Allen isn't so great that it lends to Guhle becoming a #1 vs a #3. Allen doesn't cost a fortune and is a good enough goalie for what the team needs for now. Once the rebuild is over, they can go and get a high priced goalie if they want but not now.

If they were trying to actually make the playoffs this year and maybe go for it a little, then maybe but right now, zero sense. The slight improvement in goals against is probably going to be detrimental to the Habs draft position too. All that to hopefully give Guhle and company a better development? That's a huge unnecessary risk IMO.
27 sept. 2022 à 23 h 47
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Quoting: jpsnow13
O.913 is mediocre? I mean Florida isn't known for their thight defensive system neither.

Pros for MTL:
-Getting rid of a boat load of LTIR money, at least for a couple of years.
-Getting a proven number one who can play 50+ games which they don't have.
- Solifify the team's defense to help the prospects to develop in an environment where they are not destroyed every game. (People are hyped rn but it's gonna get ugly real quick like last season).


I made a similar ACGM earlier today. I like your concept but think your values are off. I think Price on LTIR > than Bob at $10m. So how much does FLA have to retain to make that equal value? Then Habs need to shed the equivalent cap space going to FLA Allen plus Hoffman/Dadonov/Armia/Drouin. But these are not free assets either. So FLA would have to ad picks for Allan & company.

If the Habs were to do this trade at TDL. Damage will have already been done. Bob would not be able to resurrect the season. A top 5 pick will already be guaranteed.

But going into 23-24, with Bob and a a better defense, and a matured forward group. Would fast track this roster out of the rebuild faze and give the youth movement instant confidence in being competitive.

There aren't many teams that can facilitate Bob's contract. He won't have very much option where to go. Habs might be his best option if he has a year or two to let the roster age and HuGo finish trimming the fat and retooling with expiring contracts.
28 sept. 2022 à 0 h 32
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Quoting: Went_Wughes
I made a similar ACGM earlier today. I like your concept but think your values are off. I think Price on LTIR > than Bob at $10m. So how much does FLA have to retain to make that equal value? Then Habs need to shed the equivalent cap space going to FLA Allen plus Hoffman/Dadonov/Armia/Drouin. But these are not free assets either. So FLA would have to ad picks for Allan & company.

If the Habs were to do this trade at TDL. Damage will have already been done. Bob would not be able to resurrect the season. A top 5 pick will already be guaranteed.

But going into 23-24, with Bob and a a better defense, and a matured forward group. Would fast track this roster out of the rebuild faze and give the youth movement instant confidence in being competitive.

There aren't many teams that can facilitate Bob's contract. He won't have very much option where to go. Habs might be his best option if he has a year or two to let the roster age and HuGo finish trimming the fat and retooling with expiring contracts.


Yeah I think your AGM is what inspired me smile I didn't like the retentions on both sides though.
I don't think Price's contract has any value on it own, like Weber. He just makes the math works.

So the was I see it value wise, Allen+Armia+caphit saved= Bobro's value. Even if it's an unpopular opinion, IMO Armia has value for a playoff team like FLO. Also Habs save some money on Price and Armia to afford Bobro's huge salary.

Finally, to be honest, I threw in the low 2024 2nd just not to be accused of being one sided toward MTL.
28 sept. 2022 à 0 h 40
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Yeah I think your AGM is what inspired me smile I didn't like the retentions on both sides though.

The was I see it value wise Allen+Armia+caphit saved= Bobro's value. Like Weber's, I don't think Price's contract has any value on it own. He just makes the math works. Also Habs save some money on Price and Armia to afford Bobro's huge salary.

Even if it's an unpopular opinion, IMO Armia has value for a playoff team like FLO.

Finally, to be honest, I threw in the low 2024 2nd just not to be accused of being one sided toward MTL.


hahaha somehow Windjammer will show up and copy paste his jargon..

The retention is only for post TDL to make Dadonov fit into FLA cap scheme with $2.5m retention on Bob. He'd then be a clean $7.5m for the remainder of his contract. Which isn't horrible to me.

I agree Price doesn't have value alone per say, but in regards to LTIR with Bob's heavy contract, it's a valuable alternative.
28 sept. 2022 à 7 h 25
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hahaha somehow Windjammer will show up and copy paste his jargon..

The retention is only for post TDL to make Dadonov fit into FLA cap scheme with $2.5m retention on Bob. He'd then be a clean $7.5m for the remainder of his contract. Which isn't horrible to me.

I agree Price doesn't have value alone per say, but in regards to LTIR with Bob's heavy contract, it's a valuable alternative.


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