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After his price drops

Créé par: csick
Équipe: 2022-23 Sénateurs d'Ottawa
Date de création initiale: 27 sept. 2022
Publié: 27 sept. 2022
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
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OTT
ARI
  1. Roger, Ben [Liste de réserve]
  2. Zaitsev, Nikita
  3. Choix de 2e ronde en 2024 (WSH)
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ARI
  1. Ostapchuk, Zack
  2. Thomson, Lassi
  3. Choix de 1e ronde en 2023 (OTT)
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27 sept. 2022 à 8 h 17
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Gonna take more than that to move Zaitsev.
27 sept. 2022 à 8 h 31
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Gonna take more than that to move Zaitsev.


Well ottawa isn’t moving him with a 1st . A 2nd and a project prospect sure but not a 1st
27 sept. 2022 à 8 h 33
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Well ottawa isn’t moving him with a 1st . A 2nd and a project prospect sure but not a 1st


Mrazek cost 13 draft spots to move his 2x3.8M contract. I'm sure what you've proposed would be enough.
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27 sept. 2022 à 8 h 37
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Mrazek cost 13 draft spots to move his 2x3.8M contract. I'm sure what you've proposed would be enough.


Maybe they wait until next summer to move him after his 2 mill bonus. Which would leave a 2.5 mill salary. They’re not desperate this year for cap space other than just getting him off the roster cuz he’s an anchor.
27 sept. 2022 à 8 h 37
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Mrazek cost 13 draft spots to move his 2x3.8M contract. I'm sure what you've proposed would be enough.


that said it cost two second round picks and a third to move a 2x2.5mil patrik nemeth
27 sept. 2022 à 8 h 39
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Maybe they wait until next summer to move him after his 2 mill bonus. Which would leave a 2.5 mill salary. They’re not desperate this year for cap space other than just getting him off the roster cuz he’s an anchor.


That's probably your best bet. He'll cost less to move next summer.

There's a lot of pieces Ottawa is giving up in this post to upgrade from Zaitsev to Chychrun. He most definitely is an upgrade, just seems like there is a lot going out here.
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27 sept. 2022 à 8 h 54
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that said it cost two second round picks and a third to move a 2x2.5mil patrik nemeth


Maybe NY overpaid because they really wanted the money to sign Trocheck and viewed that signing as a trade almost
27 sept. 2022 à 9 h 8
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that said it cost two second round picks and a third to move a 2x2.5mil patrik nemeth


It was actually only one 2nd round pick (2025) and the condition on the second pick involved could turn into another second as well (2026). ARZ won't really see a return for taking Nemeth for a few years at least. Plus the Rangers received a prospect back in the deal.

But, it is true, the value in moving "cap dumps" seems to vary.

It all depends on what the team who needs to move a contract is willing to give up. OTT is in the driver seat at the moment as they don't necessarily need to move out Zaitsev's money this year.
27 sept. 2022 à 9 h 27
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Quoting: Ritzy
Mrazek cost 13 draft spots to move his 2x3.8M contract. I'm sure what you've proposed would be enough.

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Maybe they wait until next summer to move him after his 2 mill bonus. Which would leave a 2.5 mill salary. They’re not desperate this year for cap space other than just getting him off the roster cuz he’s an anchor.

TOR exploited the horrendous management of a CHI team that's desperately tanking. If they were the partner for said trade, maybe I'd be willing to concede. However, your proposed target has shown in two separate moves this past summer that they're going to exploit more value from such trades. Both Kassian and Nemeth costed both a 2nd and a 3rd (and a 3 spot trade down in EDM's case) to move the remaining two years of their contracts (3.2 and 2.5mil respectively). Given Zaitsev's is a higher cap hit, I'm of the mind that they'd demand more if taking on his contract this year.

I think they likely do wait until next year and, at that point, your trade will likely be within reason. My response was regarding trading him this year.
27 sept. 2022 à 9 h 41
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The prospect going the other way in the trade is... less than desirable right now. Merilainen or Jarventie will have to be included. Roger is looking not great. The only thing he's got going is that he's big.
27 sept. 2022 à 9 h 53
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OTT can spend less to get a comparable player or better. Chychrun is overrated, and I will die on that hill. I think even what you are offering here is an overpayment.
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27 sept. 2022 à 11 h 28
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The prospect going the other way in the trade is... less than desirable right now. Merilainen or Jarventie will have to be included. Roger is looking not great. The only thing he's got going is that he's big.


I agree I think you throw in a better prospect and then you can get both these deals done. a 2nd and a prospect should be enough.
Zaitsev has been horrible so far in the preseason, he really is gonna hurt the team if he keeps going and is playing regularly in the line up for the Sens. Buy out is an option as well.

I do think that they should wait for Chychrun to come back and play some first, as mentioned on 32 thoughts podcast I have worries about his injury issues, I wouldn't want this to turn into a Philly Ryan Ellis situation, which some say it might.

Also, I think if you do trade for Chychrun it is to play with Sanderson.
27 sept. 2022 à 13 h 54
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Quoting: bagelbob
that said it cost two second round picks and a third to move a 2x2.5mil patrik nemeth


No it's a 2nd + 3rd

Yotes have the option to get a 2nd instead of the 3rd but it's in 2026

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OTT can spend less to get a comparable player or better. Chychrun is overrated, and I will die on that hill. I think even what you are offering here is an overpayment.


Yeah, that would be my ultimate maximum

Thomson is a 1st round quality prospect and Ostapchuk is not that far off or will become one in the next few months as well

This is basically 3 first round picks
 
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