Easy no for both COL and NYR.

It's a 2nd round...you have trouble with basic comprehension apparently

Nah, not an easy no

Very, very easy.

Nope, not at all

Everybody has to have a fantasy and a pipe dream I suppose.

Hence your viewpoint I suppose

Yeah but you see this is your pipe dream and fantasy so the retort doesn't really work there. Toews is a spent force, not the player he used to be. His rep and image are also heavily tarnished. He simply isn't worth a first, and the Avs shouldn't give up yet another first round pick however late it may be for a rental. So the value is off and it wouldn't be the Avs doing it. Also no way NYR give up their 1st AND Kakko for a rental, not even for Kane. There is also pretty much no way either team can afford to re-sign so they are pure rentals. You're simply dreaming or smoking some great s**t!

Toews had long Covid and missed the 2020-2021 season as such. If you were watching him last year, which clearly you weren't, the first 3rd of the season he looked like he hadn't played hockey in over a year, the 2nd 3rd of the season he started improving, the last 3rd of the season he was coming back into form. Toews' trade value will be highly dependent on how he plays up to the TDL, but so assume he's not worth a late 1st (which isn't much) tells me you didn't watch him last season and understand what he dealt with the season prior. Further, if Newhook doesn't develop this season then the Avs need a middle 6 center with playoff success, can control the dot, and defensively good.

Kane is absolutely worth a late 1st (which isn't worth much) and Kaapo if Kaapo continues to play the way he's been playing with has significantly dropped his value from as a former #2OA pick; he's not worth anywhere near that today. NYR needed more scoring last playoff run and it was clear they were missing a top 6 winger...the fit makes a lot of sense right now sans a breakout season from Kaapo.

So no, it's not a pipe dream...says the guy who lives in one of the biggest pothead states

Except I don't live in Colorado so way to assume A LOT! Assuming I live in Colorado. Assuming I didn't watch Toews and I still stand by my points. As we know what that now makes you......you can overvalue him all you want (as all fans tend to do with their players, especially ones who have been part of a core for so long), but the points still stand. I hope Colorado have the sense to have nothing to do with Toews. So yes, it's a pipe dream and you stick to it if it makes you happy!

I do assume you didn't watch Toews play 90% of Hawks games last year, because if you did, you wouldn't make a statement like "he's a spent force". It's one of the biggest misconceptions of people on this website who weren't watching him play with any regularity.

He's still one of the best leaders in the locker-room, he's still a defensive force, still one of the top 10 at the dot, and was putting up points as expected in the last 3rd of last season. To suggest a late first, which objectively has a 30% of becoming a NHL player historically speaking (let alone more then a bottom line player) is not worth Toews is objectively misdirected due to a lack of familiarity with what he brings. Again though, this is all predicated on my disclaimer in the description when I posted this AGM " Assuming Toews picks up where he left off at the end of last season" and if so, results in Toews being on pace for a 50+ points by the analytics of where he was headed at the end of last season. Fitting his salary cap would be a more valid objection not giving up a late 1st.

Yep so you are assuming A LOT then, though I notice it's suddenly gone up to watching 90% of his games as the standard, and I'll still stand by what I said. He's also got zero credibility left as a locker room leader. One of the major reasons I wouldn't want him on the Avs. The question of the lateness of the first is a moot point. The Avs are highly unlikely in a deep draft to give up the pick they wouldn't trade last year for a player like Toews. They preferred to trade Barron and hold onto that pick. They also won't be likely to want to miss out on another first round of a draft when the cupboard is getting pretty bare on prospects so that shows a lack of knowledge of your intended trade partner, and thanks for adding another reason why it wouldn't work out for the Avs. Cap space.

Well if you were watching him play, you would know the last 3rd of the season he bounced back to himself and was easily on pace for a 50+ point season once he got his legs under him. So to "assume" he's a "spent force" again suggests you didn't watch him and or have limited knowledge.

"He's also got zero credibility left as a locker room leader"...speaking of ASSUMPTIONS...LMAO That's a huge one!!!

The question of a late first is not a moot point. The cupboards aren't bare for Colorado when they are still fielding one of the younger NHL squads and another cup is far more valuable to any team then a late 1st that has a 30% change of turning into a NHL player...even a bottom line player. That's just a silly assumptions. If the Avs view a middle 6 center as a gap in their chase for the cup, and they have the cap flexibility, and Toews is playing as he did the last 3rd of the season coming off of a missed season prior, then simply put...the late 1st won't be holding them back period.

Just keep making your assumptions. You believe one thing, I see another. Remember that you are the one trying to push your knackered old former star onto another team for more than he's worth. The Avs don't need Toews, especially not at over 5 mil, and yes his credibility is shot after the scandal in Chicago, amongst decent fans at any rate. He was captain of THAT locker room. No way should the Avs want him anywhere near theirs. Yes, the question of the first IS a moot point. The cupboards ARE bare, so you obviously know absolutely ZERO about your intended trade partner. So no silly assumptions other than on your side.

That "knackered old former star" has 5 points in 7 games including 4 goals playing with average (or below average) NHL players on his line, 57.1% at the dot. Looks like everything I told you is right and you are flat out wrong...imagine that! It's clear you haven't been watching him late last season or you wouldn't be so off in your verbose opinion which is proving to be wrong

Or perhaps it's very early days..........