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Créé par: Caniac2000
Équipe: 2022-23 Hurricanes de la Caroline
Date de création initiale: 24 sept. 2022
Publié: 25 sept. 2022
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Description
No one has a clue what is going on with Gardiner. Could he be healthy? Maybe? I don't know.
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
UFAANSCAP HIT
1750 000 $
1750 000 $
Transactions
1.
CAR
ARI
  1. Gardiner, Jake
  2. Choix de 6e ronde en 2023 (CHI)
Détails additionnels:
It's the deadline, you get a pick to eat the deal of a player who is owed almost nothing by this point and you may not even have to pay him if he's out from the year. Shut up, it won't cost more than this to move him.
2.
CAR
  1. Choix de 2e ronde en 2024 (WSH)
Détails additionnels:
Whoever wants him, can be Ottawa, can be Vancouver, can be anyone else
3.
CAR
  1. Dunn, Vince (2 000 000 $ retained)
  2. Soucy, Carson (1 375 000 $ retained)
SEA
  1. Bokk, Dominik
  2. Keane, Joey [Liste de réserve]
  3. Choix de 2e ronde en 2024 (PHI)
  4. Choix de 2e ronde en 2024 (WSH)
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2025
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TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2382 500 000 $82 436 917 $112 500 $1 065 000 $63 083 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
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7 750 000 $7 750 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 7
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8 460 250 $8 460 250 $
C
UFA - 2
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5 400 000 $5 400 000 $
AG, AD
M-NTC
UFA - 2
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7 000 000 $7 000 000 $
AG
M-NTC
UFA - 1
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4 820 000 $4 820 000 $
C
UFA - 8
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894 167 $894 167 $ (Bonis de performance500 000 $$500K)
AD
RFA - 2
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1 500 000 $1 500 000 $ (Bonis de performance500 000 $$500K)
C, AG
NTC
UFA - 1
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6 000 000 $6 000 000 $
C, AG
NMC
UFA - 1
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3 000 000 $3 000 000 $
AD
RFA - 2
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1 500 000 $1 500 000 $
AD
UFA - 1
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925 000 $925 000 $
C
RFA - 2
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2 000 000 $2 000 000 $
AD
UFA - 1
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
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5 300 000 $5 300 000 $
DG
M-NTC
UFA - 3
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5 280 000 $5 280 000 $
DD
M-NTC
UFA - 3
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4 500 000 $4 500 000 $
G
M-NTC
UFA - 1
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5 250 000 $5 250 000 $
DG
M-NTC
UFA - 2
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4 025 000 $4 025 000 $
DD
M-NTC
UFA - 2
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2 000 000 $2 000 000 $
G
UFA - 1
Logo de Kraken de Seattle
1 375 000 $1 375 000 $
DG/DD
UFA - 1
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2 000 000 $2 000 000 $
DG/DD
UFA - 1
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
Logo de Hurricanes de la Caroline
750 000 $750 000 $
DG/DD
UFA - 1
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1 800 000 $1 800 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 2
Logo de Hurricanes de la Caroline
795 000 $795 000 $ (Bonis de performance65 000 $$65K)
C
RFA - 3

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25 sept. 2022 à 4 h 50
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You're overvaluing Bear and undervaluing Dunn and Soucy @ 50% cap. Bear is likely worth a 3rd while at least Dunn (and perhaps Soucy) with cap retained is closer in value to a 1st- especially when you're trying to use 2024 2nds instead of the 2023 2nd. Neither Bokk nor Keane really make up for the difference between a 2nd and a 1st.
25 sept. 2022 à 4 h 53
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You're overvaluing Bear and undervaluing Dunn and Soucy 50% cap. Bear is likely worth a 3rd while at least Dunn (and perhaps Soucy) with cap retained is closer in value to a 1st- especially when you're trying to use 2024 2nds instead of the 2023 2nd. Neither Bokk nor Keane really make up for the difference between a 2nd and a 1st.


Bear is worth the 2nd, I would say Bear is worth more than Soucy. Bear is an RFA on expiry, Soucy is a UFA. Soucy is older and both he and Dunn are lefties while Bear is a righty. Bear makes less, and the difference in skill between Soucy and Bear is minimal. Soucy is primarily a DFD, Bear is an OFD. I may have undervalued Dunn, but he's not worth one of the better prospects in the organization so I went with Keane (who's good, not great) and Bokk.
25 sept. 2022 à 5 h 1
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Bear is worth the 2nd, I would say Bear is worth more than Soucy. Bear is an RFA on expiry, Soucy is a UFA. Soucy is older and both he and Dunn are lefties while Bear is a righty. Bear makes less, and the difference in skill between Soucy and Bear is minimal. Soucy is primarily a DFD, Bear is an OFD. I may have undervalued Dunn, but he's not worth one of the better prospects in the organization so I went with Keane (who's good, not great) and Bokk.

I don't see a precedent for Bear being worth a 2nd. 3rd pairing offensive D with the particular limitations that Bear has (skating speed and defending) don't tend to garner much value in a trade. Conversely, players with Soucy's particular combination of skills (size, slot defense, and competent puckmoving) tend to garner greater returns than many expect. However, given the precedent of Kulak last year, I'd be willing to concede that part of the deal is at least plausible.

However, Dunn is a player that I can't imagine being traded for less than a 1st and a prospect or a 2nd and a genuine, quality prospect unless he has an abysmal season. Neither Keane nor Bokk are that.
25 sept. 2022 à 5 h 8
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I don't see a precedent for Bear being worth a 2nd. 3rd pairing offensive D with the particular limitations that Bear has (skating speed and defending) don't tend to garner much value in a trade. Conversely, players with Soucy's particular combination of skills (size, slot defense, and competent puckmoving) tend to garner greater returns than many expect. However, given the precedent of Kulak last year, I'd be willing to concede that part of the deal is at least plausible.

However, Dunn is a player that I can't imagine being traded for less than a 1st and a prospect or a 2nd and a genuine, quality prospect unless he has an abysmal season. Neither Keane nor Bokk are that.


Bokk is certainly a prospect, and I'd argue off of the season Dunn had last year he's not returning a 1st. His last few seasons in St Louis were not great and he wasn't lighting the world on fire last year.

As for your assessment of Bear and Soucy, Bear's proven he can play top 4 and even top pairing minutes comfortably on a contender. This does not make him a top 4/ top pairing defender, but it does free him of that pigeon-hole 3rd pairing D-man tag. Playing through a fractured ankle and long-term covid is also likely to earn him some extra points with some of the older school GMs in the league that value that determination and gusto. Soucy has great size, but Bear's clearly the better skater there. Bear is the better puck mover. Combine that with the gap between them offensively being bigger than the gap between them defensively, Bear being younger, having team control, and being the more valuable handedness, I fail to see where the Soucy value comes from, even half retained. I'd argue the other way, Soucy no retention is a 3rd and Bear being a 2nd, hence going from a 3rd to a second for 1.3 retained is worth moving up a round.
25 sept. 2022 à 8 h 24
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We are very clear on what is going on with Gardiner, he had a setback and is not expected to play this year. There are three outlets in the local Raleigh area reporting the same thing.

“ No one has a clue what is going on with Gardiner. Could he be healthy? Maybe? I don't know.”
25 sept. 2022 à 8 h 27
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We are very clear on what is going on with Gardiner, he had a setback and is not expected to play this year. There are three outlets in the local Raleigh area reporting the same thing.

“ No one has a clue what is going on with Gardiner. Could he be healthy? Maybe? I don't know.”


No, this is wrong.

No one has confirmed Gardiner is out for the year. He's had a set back, but all 3 outlets have reported his timetable is uncertain. WRAL and N&O have said this. Anything else is wrong. They know Gardiner won't start the year, but he's still a possible retunr candidate later in the year. Hence, we don't know what's going on.
25 sept. 2022 à 8 h 29
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So we do know what’s going on or we don’t? I’m confused

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No, this is wrong.

No one has confirmed Gardiner is out for the year. He's had a set back, but all 3 outlets have reported his timetable is uncertain. WRAL and N&O have said this. Anything else is wrong. They know Gardiner won't start the year, but he's still a possible retunr candidate later in the year. Hence, we don't know what's going on.
25 sept. 2022 à 8 h 33
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So we do know what’s going on or we don’t? I’m confused


We don't know if/when he'll return. All we know is that he won't be healthy to start the year. There's nothing to say he's out for the year
25 sept. 2022 à 8 h 36
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I wish there was a wager function on CapFriendly…I’d be willing to put a decent amount of my own money that he won’t play a single second of ice time this year (for any team).

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We don't know if/when he'll return. All we know is that he won't be healthy to start the year. There's nothing to say he's out for the year
25 sept. 2022 à 8 h 40
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I wish there was a wager function on CapFriendly…I’d be willing to put a decent amount of my own money that he won’t play a single second of ice time this year (for any team).


As that may be, it doesn't mean he's out for the year. Players can be left healthy on LTIR (Lupul) so you could be right, but that doesn't mean he can't play
25 sept. 2022 à 9 h 0
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IMO, Kraken won’t trade Dunn
 
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