Stick with good. Great teams get out of the first round every decade or so

That’s fair enough; I’ll retract great (but keep it on ice 🤞).

I never said I wanted Roy; I’m making my case for why I don’t think we should get him actually. Calling Muzz a “more offensive type player” is not a very good take, considering he is just as valuable if not more in the defensive end as he is in the offensive. Roy I would like on the Leafs obviously, and I do agree the fit is certainly there next to a guy like Rielly, however my point is that the gap between him and Holl is nothing major. Mock trades/asks for Roy I have seen are a 1st/Sandin +, if not more, whereas Holl rn is worth very little. The gap between the two is not much as Roy’s defensive value is not too much higher than Holl, and when considering Holl’s better offensive side of the game, I give Roy a pretty small edge in terms of who the better player is. In the Leafs system, I’m sure Roy could show to have more of a value gap between him and Holl as there is rn, especially if paired next to Rielly, but my point being is that it’s really not worth all the extra assets we would need to pay when Holl plays very similar minutes in terms of total ice time and PK (Roy handled tougher mins when Doughty was out but again, Holl still took on big mins on the 2nd pair next to Muzz).
My argument here is not against you or the LA Kings fanbase but against my fellow Leafs fans who call Holl trash when the Defencemen they want don’t prove to be that much more valuable. Holl is a scapegoat, just like Ceci and Gardiner were. All 3 prone to mistakes more than the average defenceman but overall they made a positive impact on the ice

AZ, CHI,, ANA are in rebuild mode and aren't going to pay to get a rental (unless paid to do do)

WIN Have been in the market for a middle 6 LW/C who can slide up & down the line-up~ Fits

He's not overrated

Not even close to being the two worst contracts in the league. Delusional