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Trade Bones

Créé par: BeautifulIdiot
Date de création initiale: 22 sept. 2022
Publié: 22 sept. 2022
Équipe: 2022-23 Canucks de Vancouver
Explications
Hey fellow professional General managers who all know the inner workings of the NHL.

I think that the Canucks and Kings could both benefit from a deal like this.
1. LA has a log jam on the right side with a top end prospect ahead of Grans. Doughty, Roy, Walker and Durzi are all current roster guys on the right side, Clarke and spence are the next 2 call ups.
2. Nucks have a log jab between the pipes, to the point where DiPietro is interested in a trade. He currently sits as the 4th string Goalie who is super highly regarded and is still young.
3. There is really nothing coming in the pipeline for the Kings, Hrenak might be something but its too early, DiPietro would instantly become the 3rd best goalie in the organization.
4. There really arent anything coming for the canucks on the right side, Juulsen might develop after the injuries he's had but Grans would be the best RD prospect for the canucks.

I fully see and understand that Grans has more value than DiPietro, but how much more valuable?
I think a 2nd (+MD) for a 4th (+HG) is fair but let me know your thoughts.
Transactions
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VAN
  1. Grans, Helge
  2. 2023 4e round pick (LAK)
LAK
  1. DiPietro, Michael
  2. 2024 2e round pick (VAN)
Détails additionnels:
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Rachats de contrats
  • Braden Holtby: 1 900 000 $
  • Jake Virtanen: 500 000 $
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TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2382 500 000 $82 011 667 $1 250 000 $2 082 500 $488 333 $
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Kuzmenko, Andrei
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Pettersson, Elias
7 350 000 $
C, AG
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Mikheyev, Ilya
4 750 000 $
AG, AD
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UFA - 4
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Pearson, Tanner
3 250 000 $
AG
NTC
UFA - 2
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Miller, J.T.
5 250 000 $
AG, C
UFA - 1
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Boeser, Brock
6 650 000 $
AD
UFA - 3
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Podkolzin, Vasily
925 000 $
AG, AD
RFA - 2
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Horvat, Bo
5 500 000 $
C
UFA - 1
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Garland, Conor
4 950 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 4
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Dickinson, Jason
2 650 000 $
C, AG
UFA - 2
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Lazar, Curtis
1 000 000 $
C, AD
UFA - 3
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Höglander, Nils
891 667 $
AG, AD
RFA - 1
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Joshua, Dakota
825 000 $
C, AG
UFA - 2
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Ekman-Larsson, Oliver
7 260 000 $
DG
NMC
UFA - 5
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Hughes, Quinn
7 850 000 $
DG
UFA - 5
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Demko, Thatcher
5 000 000 $
G
UFA - 4
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Dermott, Travis
1 500 000 $
DG/DD
RFA - 1
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Myers, Tyler
6 000 000 $
DD
NTC
UFA - 2
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Martin, Spencer
762 500 $
G
UFA - 2
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Rathbone, Jack
850 000 $
DG
RFA - 2
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Schenn, Luke
850 000 $
DD
UFA - 1
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Grans, Helge
847 500 $
DD
RFA - 3
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Poolman, Tucker
2 500 000 $
DD
UFA - 3
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
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Ferland, Micheal
3 500 000 $
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22 sept. à 22 h 46
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It would essentially be a 3rd for Grans as Dipietro doesn’t really have any value, if he did he would have been traded by now.
Lundqvist just went for a 1st and either a 3rd or 4th, I don’t think Grans is as valuable but if that’s the price of a unproven RD prospect I would think he’s probably worth a late 1st or early 2nd.
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Quoting: Reason
It would essentially be a 3rd for Grans as Dipietro doesn’t really have any value, if he did he would have been traded by now.
Lundqvist just went for a 1st and either a 3rd or 4th, I don’t think Grans is as valuable but if that’s the price of a unproven RD prospect I would think he’s probably worth a late 1st or early 2nd.


Well, Dallas's 1st rounder is probably going to be in the mid teens unless Lundkvist breaks out into the next Cale Makar or close to
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Quoting: Reason
It would essentially be a 3rd for Grans as Dipietro doesn’t really have any value, if he did he would have been traded by now.
Lundqvist just went for a 1st and either a 3rd or 4th, I don’t think Grans is as valuable but if that’s the price of a unproven RD prospect I would think he’s probably worth a late 1st or early 2nd.


I think that DiPietro still has value and from what I have heard, teams around the league would be interested on taking him on, I think the timing of this trade would be everything.

The reason why I disagree with your Lundqvist comp is because scoring defenders are worth so much more than stay at home guys, Lundqvist was a 1st rounder who would, if the 2018 draft was redone, might go in the mid teens, and for the security of having an NHL ready offensive defenceman, they paid the 4th.

I will take your input on grans but Dipietro still has value.
Dipietro, 2nd for grans and 4th
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23 sept. à 0 h 1
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You’re gonna have to give 1st + 2nd + Dipietro to convince Rob Blake. Grans is a solid future defenseman with size.
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You’re gonna have to give 1st + 2nd + Dipietro to convince Rob Blake. Grans is a solid future defenseman with size.


Grans isn't worth that much
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The Kings don't have room for another goaltender in the pipeline.

They have Quick and Petersen in the NHL

They have Villalta and Copley at AHL-Ontario. Villalta will get the lion's share of starts in the AHL, with Copley being the 3rd string goaltender for LA in case one of the NHL guys go down.

Hrenak and Ingham are playing in ECHL-Greenville and will split starts.

Lukas Parik signed an AHL contract with the Colorado Eagles (the Avs affiliate) because the Kings have no where else to stash him to get playing time.

Where do you suggest they put DiPietro?
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DiPietro isn't an LhD or an NHL-ready LhD.
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Quoting: Knuckl3s
Grans isn't worth that much


And he’s also not worth whatever is listed above.
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And he’s also not worth whatever is listed above.


Never said he was
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Never said he was


I never said you said he was.

Wanna just kiss bro? 😘
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I never said you said he was.

Wanna just kiss bro? 😘


I don't want to kiss a troll. Maybe you can have that kiss after you've turned to stone
23 sept. à 1 h 45
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Quoting: BeautifulIdiot
I think that DiPietro still has value and from what I have heard, teams around the league would be interested on taking him on, I think the timing of this trade would be everything.

The reason why I disagree with your Lundqvist comp is because scoring defenders are worth so much more than stay at home guys, Lundqvist was a 1st rounder who would, if the 2018 draft was redone, might go in the mid teens, and for the security of having an NHL ready offensive defenceman, they paid the 4th.

I will take your input on grans but Dipietro still has value.
Dipietro, 2nd for grans and 4th


How recent were the articles you were reading? I believe it was Dhaliwal that recently said (within the last week I believe) there was no interest in DiPietro, and Dhaliwal is a pretty well connected and respected insider. Unless DiPietro has a big bounce back season, which he won’t if his rights are still owned by Vancouver, then I don’t think he holds any value.

I agree that offensive defensemen are worth more than defensive defensemen, which is part of the reason I said Grans isn’t worth as much as Lundkvist… With that said, if we are talking redrafts and using that to determine current worth, Grans goes higher than his 35th overall position where he was selected.

I would be ecstatic if DiPietro and a 4th got Grans, but I don’t see it happening.
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The difference in value is more than this imo but it's a good premise
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Quoting: Reason
How recent were the articles you were reading? I believe it was Dhaliwal that recently said (within the last week I believe) there was no interest in DiPietro, and Dhaliwal is a pretty well connected and respected insider. Unless DiPietro has a big bounce back season, which he won’t if his rights are still owned by Vancouver, then I don’t think he holds any value.

I agree that offensive defensemen are worth more than defensive defensemen, which is part of the reason I said Grans isn’t worth as much as Lundkvist… With that said, if we are talking redrafts and using that to determine current worth, Grans goes higher than his 35th overall position where he was selected.

I would be ecstatic if DiPietro and a 4th got Grans, but I don’t see it happening.


Grans is an offensive defenseman.
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Grans is an offensive defenseman.


Where are you seeing/hearing that? I’ll admit I haven’t seen him play, I’m assuming we’ll over 95% of the people on this site haven’t either, but what I have read about him is that he is a two - way defensemen who’s really strong defensively. Definitely not as offensive as the comparable being discussed on this thread (Lundkvist).
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Quoting: Reason
Where are you seeing/hearing that? I’ll admit I haven’t seen him play, I’m assuming we’ll over 95% of the people on this site haven’t either, but what I have read about him is that he is a two - way defensemen who’s really strong defensively. Definitely not as offensive as the comparable being discussed on this thread (Lundkvist).


I've seen him play several times in person in Ontario. He's a mobile defenseman that needs to improve his defensive game.

Helge Grans – 2020 NHL Draft Prospect Profile
 
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