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Hall Year 1

Créé par: UpsideDownQue
Date de création initiale: 22 sept. 2022
Publié: 22 sept. 2022
Équipe: 2022-23 Maple Leafs de Toronto
Explications
If BOS is out of the playoffs at the TDL and start a rebuild
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
RFAANSCAP HIT
Sandin, Rasmus32 000 000 $
UFAANSCAP HIT
Aston-Reese, Zach11 000 000 $
Transactions
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TOR
    Any team/price. This isnt the focus of the post I just want to get them cap compliant
    ANA
    1. Kerfoot, Alexander
    2. Holl, Justin
    2.
    TOR
    1. Hall, Taylor (3 000 000 $ retained)
    Détails additionnels:
    At the 2023 TDL

    TOR should have accrued enough cap space by then to make this work
    BOS
    1. Hirvonen, Roni
    2. Abruzzese, Nick
    3. 2023 1e round pick (TOR)
    4. 2024 1e round pick (TOR)
    Détails additionnels:
    Its a steep price to pay but getting Hall at only a 3M cap hit for 3 cup runs is a huge addition
    ANNÉE DE REPÊCHAGERONDE 1RONDE 2RONDE 3RONDE 4RONDE 5RONDE 6RONDE 7
    2023
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    2024
    Logo de TOR
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    Logo de TOR
    Logo de TOR
    Logo de TOR
    Logo de OTT
    2025
    Logo de TOR
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    Logo de TOR
    Logo de TOR
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    TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
    2282 500 000 $83 627 283 $212 500 $0 $-1 127 283 $

    Formation

    Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
    Logo de TOR
    Bunting, Michael
    950 000 $
    AG
    UFA - 1
    Logo de TOR
    Matthews, Auston
    11 640 250 $
    C
    UFA - 2
    Logo de TOR
    Marner, Mitchell
    10 903 000 $
    AD
    UFA - 3
    Logo de BOS
    Hall, Taylor
    3 000 000 $
    AG
    NMC NTC
    UFA - 3
    Logo de TOR
    Tavares, John
    11 000 000 $
    C
    NMC
    UFA - 3
    Logo de TOR
    Nylander, William
    6 962 366 $
    AD, AG
    UFA - 2
    Logo de TOR
    Robertson, Nicholas
    796 667 $
    AG
    RFA - 2
    Logo de TOR
    Engvall, Pierre
    2 250 000 $
    AG, AD, C
    UFA - 1
    Logo de TOR
    Järnkrok, Calle
    2 100 000 $
    C, AG, AD
    NTC
    UFA - 4
    Logo de TOR
    Aston-Reese, Zach
    1 000 000 $
    AG, AD
    UFA - 1
    Logo de TOR
    Kämpf, David
    1 500 000 $
    C
    UFA - 1
    Logo de TOR
    Aubé-Kubel, Nicolas
    1 000 000 $
    AD
    UFA - 1
    Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
    Logo de TOR
    Rielly, Morgan
    7 500 000 $
    DG
    NMC
    UFA - 8
    Logo de TOR
    Brodie, TJ
    5 000 000 $
    DG/DD
    NTC
    UFA - 2
    Logo de TOR
    Murray, Matt
    4 687 500 $
    G
    NTC
    UFA - 2
    Logo de TOR
    Sandin, Rasmus
    2 000 000 $
    DG
    RFA - 2
    Logo de TOR
    Giordano, Mark
    800 000 $
    DG
    UFA - 2
    Logo de TOR
    Samsonov, Ilya
    1 800 000 $
    G
    RFA - 1
    Logo de TOR
    Muzzin, Jake
    5 625 000 $
    DG
    NTC
    UFA - 2
    Logo de TOR
    Liljegren, Timothy
    1 400 000 $
    DD
    RFA - 2
    Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
    Logo de TOR
    Gaudette, Adam
    750 000 $
    C, AD
    RFA - 1
    Logo de TOR
    Benn, Jordie
    750 000 $
    DG/DD
    UFA - 1

    Unités spéciales

    Avantage numérique 1
    Tavares, J.
    Matthews, A.
    Marner, M.
    Nylander, W.
    Rielly, M.
    Avantage numérique 2
    Bunting, M.
    Järnkrok, C.
    Hall, T.
    Sandin, R.
    Giordano, M.
    Infériorité numérique 1
    Kämpf, D.
    Aston-Reese, Z.
    Muzzin, J.
    Brodie, T.
    Infériorité numérique 2
    Engvall, P.
    Marner, M.
    Rielly, M.
    Giordano, M.

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    22 sept. à 16 h 36
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    OVERPAY OF THE CENTURY
    22 sept. à 16 h 39
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    I find it hard to believe they’re legit out of it, but even if they aren’t they might take that. Retention would likely be a sticking point though
    22 sept. à 16 h 39
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    Not a chance that Boston is going to agree to retain 3x$3M for an in-division trade. The overpay would have to be monumental to get them to agree to that.
    22 sept. à 16 h 40
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    Modifié 22 sept. à 16 h 46
    Quoting: T0R
    OVERPAY OF THE CENTURY


    You see teams paying a 1st + prospect for a top tier forward for 1 year. Leafs are getting one for 3 years and also paying for 3x3M retention, which is easily worth another 1st on top
    22 sept. à 16 h 41
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    Quoting: dannibalcorpse
    Not a chance that Boston is going to agree to retain 3x$3M for an in-division trade. The overpay would have to be monumental to get them to agree to that.


    If theyre going for a full rebuild I dont see why they wouldnt be willing to retain, they wouldnt be a cap team anymore and when youre tanking who cares if the trade is in-division or not?
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    22 sept. à 16 h 51
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    It's the 2023 version of Hall....No way the give up two first rounders and Hiro. Not saying the Bruins or Hall would agree to the deal either
    22 sept. à 16 h 53
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    Quoting: UpsideDownQue
    If theyre going for a full rebuild I dont see why they wouldnt be willing to retain, they wouldnt be a cap team anymore and when youre tanking who cares if the trade is in-division or not?


    Division matters because of the optics - why would you want to help out one of your biggest rivals, even if you're rebuilding? Boston is literally giving the Leafs Taylor Hall -plus- $9M of cap relief with this trade, and all they get back are a pair of prospects and a couple of late 1sts?
    22 sept. à 16 h 55
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    Quoting: palhal
    It's the 2023 version of Hall....No way the give up two first rounders and Hiro. Not saying the Bruins or Hall would agree to the deal either


    Hall is still a very good player. They are not only paying for a top line forward, but also for the retention to bring him down to 3M AAV for 3 cup runs. Imo thats at least half the value here

    BOS would only consider this if they were out of a playoff spot and were going to start rebuilding. Hall only has a 10 team no trade list, I dont think TOR would be on it
    22 sept. à 16 h 56
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    Quoting: dannibalcorpse
    Division matters because of the optics - why would you want to help out one of your biggest rivals, even if you're rebuilding? Boston is literally giving the Leafs Taylor Hall -plus- $9M of cap relief with this trade, and all they get back are a pair of prospects and a couple of late 1sts?


    What do you think hes worth then? I dont think this is a small package at all
    22 sept. à 17 h 14
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    Quoting: UpsideDownQue
    If theyre going for a full rebuild I dont see why they wouldnt be willing to retain, they wouldnt be a cap team anymore and when youre tanking who cares if the trade is in-division or not?


    This is something that I absolutely agree with personally, but I don't think there are a lot of GM's who share that mentality.
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    22 sept. à 17 h 22
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    Lol, you arnt getting anything more than abruzzeze for hall retained from the leafs
    22 sept. à 17 h 25
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    Maybe add Ullmark (at half price, of course) and throw in Murray going the other way. That way you can fit Pastrnak and Bergeron (double-retained) too.
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    22 sept. à 17 h 36
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    Quoting: dannibalcorpse
    Not a chance that Boston is going to agree to retain 3x$3M for an in-division trade. The overpay would have to be monumental to get them to agree to that.


    Did you miss the price this guy wants to pay? It absolutely is a monumental overpay for a guy who's beginning to look like a fast decline into a bottom 6 role.
    22 sept. à 17 h 38
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    Quoting: UpsideDownQue
    If theyre going for a full rebuild I dont see why they wouldnt be willing to retain, they wouldnt be a cap team anymore and when youre tanking who cares if the trade is in-division or not?


    If they resign Pastranak then they won't be rebuilding. They will try to retool and then the I wager they would want Hall still or at least wouldn't want to retain on him at all.
    22 sept. à 17 h 43
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    Quoting: Logan_Ollivier
    If they resign Pastranak then they won't be rebuilding. They will try to retool and then the I wager they would want Hall still or at least wouldn't want to retain on him at all.


    In this scenario they would do a full rebuild and trade Pastrnak as well
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    Quoting: Logan_Ollivier
    Did you miss the price this guy wants to pay? It absolutely is a monumental overpay for a guy who's beginning to look like a fast decline into a bottom 6 role.


    Fast decline into a bottom 6 role? How so?
    22 sept. à 17 h 47
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    Quoting: UpsideDownQue
    In this scenario they would do a full rebuild and trade Pastrnak as well


    Then why on earth wouldn't you try to get Pasta? He's infinitely better.
    22 sept. à 17 h 48
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    Quoting: UpsideDownQue
    Fast decline into a bottom 6 role? How so?


    He managed 60 points last year in a top 6 role. He's 30 and can't stay healthy.
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    Quoting: Logan_Ollivier
    Then why on earth wouldn't you try to get Pasta? He's infinitely better.


    1) the Leafs have Marner and Nylander on RW already
    2) Only 1 year in term, Leafs probably wouldnt be able to extend him. On the other hand Hall gives them 3 years on a super cheap deal to compete
    22 sept. à 18 h 1
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    Quoting: UpsideDownQue
    1) the Leafs have Marner and Nylander on RW already
    2) Only 1 year in term, Leafs probably wouldnt be able to extend him. On the other hand Hall gives them 3 years on a super cheap deal to compete


    I he regresses more or continues to get her for half the season, how good is that 3 million dollar forward? If he scores less than 30 in 50 games year over year is that really worth it? Pasta makes them the deepest team in the league and either him or Nylander can switch to LW.
    22 sept. à 18 h 8
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    Quoting: Logan_Ollivier
    He managed 60 points last year in a top 6 role. He's 30 and can't stay healthy.


    Hall's 5v5 P/60
    17-18: 2.42 (MVP season)
    21-22: 2.29

    His minutes dropped and his 5v5 P/60 is only slightly lower than it was during his Hart trophy season with NJD. He had reduced minutes and was put into a different PP position which dropped his PP production. His EV Offensive WAR was in the 91st percentile last year and his EV Defensive WAR was in the 73rd percentile. Hes still strong at both ends of the ice and I think if you put him with an actual 2C instead of Haula his production will increase to around 1 P/GP again

    I know he missed time with injuries before but he just played 81 regular season games last year, I dont think its fair to say he cant stay healthy
    22 sept. à 18 h 30
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    Quoting: UpsideDownQue
    Hall's 5v5 P/60
    17-18: 2.42 (MVP season)
    21-22: 2.29

    His minutes dropped and his 5v5 P/60 is only slightly lower than it was during his Hart trophy season with NJD. He had reduced minutes and was put into a different PP position which dropped his PP production. His EV Offensive WAR was in the 91st percentile last year and his EV Defensive WAR was in the 73rd percentile. Hes still strong at both ends of the ice and I think if you put him with an actual 2C instead of Haula his production will increase to around 1 P/GP again

    I know he missed time with injuries before but he just played 81 regular season games last year, I dont think its fair to say he cant stay healthy


    I still pass, he's on the wrong side of 30 and I think his health is a concern. His style of play leads to more and more injuries especially as he gets older.
    22 sept. à 23 h 26
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    Modifié 22 sept. à 23 h 33
    Lets be honest 2 divisional rivals especially ones who hate eachother's bones wont trade

    Unless its Brad Marchand wink

    I do think Toronto makes a swing for someone big at the TDL but I have 0 idea who its gonna be

    The 3 runner ups

    1. Kane
    2. Bertuzzi (I know the rival thing but I dont think Det and Toronto have done much trading with eachother that has gone as bad as the Boston trade)
    3. Hellebuyck (If Jets fall out of a playoff spot and decide to blow it up at TDL and if Murray or Sammy arent doing well)
    22 sept. à 23 h 30
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    Quoting: aadoyle
    Lets be honest 2 divisional rivals especially ones who hate eachother's bones wont trade

    Unless its Brad Marchand wink


    Would you really want Marchand from ages 34-36 over Hall from ages 31-33? Yes Marchand has obviously been better the past couple seasons but hes 3 years older and coming off of double hip surgery. I think theres more way risk of him declining than Hall. Though I guess if the trade is made at the TDL then you can see how he plays after surgery before trading for him
    22 sept. à 23 h 34
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    Quoting: UpsideDownQue
    Would you really want Marchand from ages 34-36 over Hall from ages 31-33? Yes Marchand has obviously been better the past couple seasons but hes 3 years older and coming off of double hip surgery. I think theres more way risk of him declining than Hall. Though I guess if the trade is made at the TDL then you can see how he plays after surgery before trading for him


    I do think Toronto makes a swing for someone big at the TDL but I have 0 idea who its gonna be

    The 3 runner ups

    1. Kane
    2. Bertuzzi (I know the rival thing but I dont think Det and Toronto have done much trading with eachother that has gone as bad as the Boston trade)
    3. Hellebuyck (If Jets fall out of a playoff spot and decide to blow it up at TDL and if Murray or Sammy arent doing well)


    As for Marchand. Hey hometown kid who is a little rat and just imagine him and bunting causing havoc. Would be kind of fun. Also would be the biggest story of the century

    Hall would also be fine but idk I feel a more 2-way LW would be more fun
     
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