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Équipe: 2022-23 Maple Leafs de Toronto
Date de création initiale: 22 sept. 2022
Publié: 22 sept. 2022
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  1. Nylander, William
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Straight up, value seems okay and leafs make minor cap saving
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  2. Holl, Justin
  3. Robertson, Nicholas
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22 sept. 2022 à 15 h 10
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22 sept. 2022 à 15 h 11
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Sharks decline

Nylander expires as a UFA in two seasons and sharks won’t be competing now or next season. Also Nylander definitely does not fit Grier’s style of play.
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22 sept. 2022 à 15 h 16
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Severson may be available, but I doubt Mercer would be.
22 sept. 2022 à 15 h 17
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Sharks decline

Nylander expires as a UFA in two seasons and sharks won’t be competing now or next season. Also Nylander definitely does not fit Grier’s style of play.


Meier has a 10 million dollar QO, he can take it and walk to FA in a year. Nylander has a better contract.
22 sept. 2022 à 15 h 39
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Sharks can do better on a trade,,,,if not this year, next year.
Like Mercer but it's a big overpay for one year Severson. Of course Leaf fans have a obsession with RHD from non playoff teams.
Do like the fact that this one of few Leaf posts with a 22 man roster.
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22 sept. 2022 à 15 h 58
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Meier has a 10 million dollar QO, he can take it and walk to FA in a year. Nylander has a better contract.


Very true, but either we are signing Meier to a long term extention... or we are trading him for picks and prospect.
have a feeling NJD would rather deal Mercer and Severson for Meier straight up than the deal you have here.
22 sept. 2022 à 16 h 6
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Quoting: Logan_Ollivier
Meier has a 10 million dollar QO, he can take it and walk to FA in a year. Nylander has a better contract.


then we’ll trade him for a package worth more than Nylander
22 sept. 2022 à 17 h 20
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Quoting: Rob32sjsharks
Very true, but either we are signing Meier to a long term extention... or we are trading him for picks and prospect.
have a feeling NJD would rather deal Mercer and Severson for Meier straight up than the deal you have here.


I doubt it, Meier doesn't seem to remotely close to a 10 million dollar player.
22 sept. 2022 à 17 h 21
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then we’ll trade him for a package worth more than Nylander


Highly unlikely. You'll get a collection of picks and prospects none of which are likely to be as good as Nylander who is arguably better than Meier.
22 sept. 2022 à 17 h 50
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Quoting: Logan_Ollivier
Highly unlikely. You'll get a collection of picks and prospects none of which are likely to be as good as Nylander who is arguably better than Meier.


lmao! Meier plays on a team where he is the best player where in TOR Nylander is the 3/4th best player. not saying Nylander is no where close to Meier but if you switched those two and Meier was on a team where the opponents best D is focused on marner and matthews every night i could easily see Meier putting up 40+ goals 90+ points.
Nylander on the sharks is probably 25-30 goals 65-70 points.
and that’s a step down from Meier’s numbers plus Meier is solid defensivly and plays bigger and tougher.
22 sept. 2022 à 17 h 59
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Quoting: Rob32sjsharks
lmao! Meier plays on a team where he is the best player where in TOR Nylander is the 3/4th best player. not saying Nylander is no where close to Meier but if you switched those two and Meier was on a team where the opponents best D is focused on marner and matthews every night i could easily see Meier putting up 40+ goals 90+ points.
Nylander on the sharks is probably 25-30 goals 65-70 points.
and that’s a step down from Meier’s numbers plus Meier is solid defensivly and plays bigger and tougher.


Nylander has outscored Meier in every season he's played. But this is cap friendly where a point a game player on the Leafs would definitely only be a 60 point player everywhere else. And literally any 60 point winger will be a 90+ point player on the Leafs. It never fails. Meier is going to want 10+ million on his next deal and is definitely not worth it.
22 sept. 2022 à 18 h 28
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Quoting: Logan_Ollivier
Nylander has outscored Meier in every season he's played. But this is cap friendly where a point a game player on the Leafs would definitely only be a 60 point player everywhere else. And literally any 60 point winger will be a 90+ point player on the Leafs. It never fails. Meier is going to want 10+ million on his next deal and is definitely not worth it.


no this is Logic where a guy who is the main focus for opponents D like Meier and Hertl are with the sharks. vs a guy who is the secondary focus on the maple leafs like Nylander.

look kane was the main focus on the sharks team for 2 years and was a 30 goal 60 point guy, he goes to ta team where he is a supporting player to Draisaitl and Mcdavid and goes off for 35 goals in 56 games (regular season and playoffs) and is a PPG player there,
then there are guys on stacked teams going elsewhere and dropping off.
judging guys based on points only is not logical when how they got them and who their teammates are is so vastly different.
on the sharks Meier and Hertl are the only forwards pushing the play, on Toronto you have Marner Matthews Tavares Nylander and with those 4 increadibly good players its hard for teams to focus on just 1 line. this gives those guys more opportunities.

And if you disagree with me then why are you offering this trade? your not trying to help the sharks. your trying to justify a foolish trade by undervaluing one player and over valuing another.
22 sept. 2022 à 18 h 39
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Quoting: Rob32sjsharks
no this is Logic where a guy who is the main focus for opponents D like Meier and Hertl are with the sharks. vs a guy who is the secondary focus on the maple leafs like Nylander.

look kane was the main focus on the sharks team for 2 years and was a 30 goal 60 point guy, he goes to ta team where he is a supporting player to Draisaitl and Mcdavid and goes off for 35 goals in 56 games (regular season and playoffs) and is a PPG player there,
then there are guys on stacked teams going elsewhere and dropping off.
judging guys based on points only is not logical when how they got them and who their teammates are is so vastly different.
on the sharks Meier and Hertl are the only forwards pushing the play, on Toronto you have Marner Matthews Tavares Nylander and with those 4 increadibly good players its hard for teams to focus on just 1 line. this gives those guys more opportunities.

And if you disagree with me then why are you offering this trade? your not trying to help the sharks. your trying to justify a foolish trade by undervaluing one player and over valuing another.


Logic on here is always flawed and super bias. It's a fact that Nylander has out produced Myer. He's one of the top play drivers in the league and despite being branded as soft, goes to the net and scores dirty goals more than most guys. I don't care what "logic" you want to use. By every metric Nylander is a terrific player and yet he will always just be a 60 point winger to pretty much everyone on here. Keep Meier, he's going to be demanding way more than he's worth next summer.
22 sept. 2022 à 18 h 44
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Quoting: Logan_Ollivier
Logic on here is always flawed and super bias. It's a fact that Nylander has out produced Myer. He's one of the top play drivers in the league and despite being branded as soft, goes to the net and scores dirty goals more than most guys. I don't care what "logic" you want to use. By every metric Nylander is a terrific player and yet he will always just be a 60 point winger to pretty much everyone on here. Keep Meier, he's going to be demanding way more than he's worth next summer.


and we will pay it,
I love Nylander and would be stoked to have him on the sharks, but his production would take a hit playing on a team with far less talent around him.
that doesn't mean hes a bad player it's more a kuddos to the Leafts for building a very talent roster.
30 goals 70 points isn't the same as 35 and 85, but it's better than the entire RW side of the sharks combined right now

and Nylander and Meier were virtually the same goal and point production last year so how has he outpaced him?
22 sept. 2022 à 18 h 54
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Quoting: Rob32sjsharks
and we will pay it,
I love Nylander and would be stoked to have him on the sharks, but his production would take a hit playing on a team with far less talent around him.
that doesn't mean hes a bad player it's more a kuddos to the Leafts for building a very talent roster.
30 goals 70 points isn't the same as 35 and 85, but it's better than the entire RW side of the sharks combined right now

and Nylander and Meier were virtually the same goal and point production last year so how has he outpaced him?


Do the math, Nylander had 80 in 81 and Meier has 74 in 75 I think, it's definitely close but Nylander has the edge and he also out performed him in every season, minus his holdout year. Nylander has done that as the 3/4 option on the team. That does mean less opportunity
22 sept. 2022 à 19 h 4
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Quoting: Logan_Ollivier
Do the math, Nylander had 80 in 81 and Meier has 74 in 75 I think, it's definitely close but Nylander has the edge and he also out performed him in every season, minus his holdout year. Nylander has done that as the 3/4 option on the team. That does mean less opportunity

Meier had 1 more goal in 6 less games so based on your assumption, Meier outperformed Nylander this year buddy.
i’m conceding they were virtually the same on the stat sheet.
but you can’t deny Nylander has a clearly superior supporting cast.
would you argue Matthews puts up the same point total this year on arizona that he would on toronto?

again swap the pair and i would bet Big money if both players play 80 games Meier would have more goals assists and points.
23 sept. 2022 à 14 h 44
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Quoting: Logan_Ollivier
Highly unlikely. You'll get a collection of picks and prospects none of which are likely to be as good as Nylander who is arguably better than Meier.


Meier is a year younger and averages the same amount of points as Nylander while providing a level of physicality that's rare for players of his skill level
 
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