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Robertson trade Even though the Stars would be dumb to do any trade for him

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21 sept. 2022 à 17 h 19
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you traded for him and didnt sign him, nor have the cap space to

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21 sept. 2022 à 17 h 21
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you traded for him and didnt sign him, nor have the cap space to

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Byron and Khudobin to LTIR gives the Habs 6.5M plus the 4M already there. His contract is like an 8x8 maybe 8,5x8
21 sept. 2022 à 17 h 23
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If Dallas made him available, there is 0 chance a trade to MTL happens without one of caufield/slaf. Quantity over quality won't get it done.
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21 sept. 2022 à 17 h 24
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If Dallas made him available, there is 0 chance a trade to MTL happens without one of caufield/slaf. Quantity over quality won't get it done.


Guhle is literally in the trade, hes like a top 5 defensive prospect in the leagie
21 sept. 2022 à 17 h 27
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Guhle is literally in the trade, hes like a top 5 defensive prospect in the leagie


Guhle is likely to be a #3 defenseman. He's not a can't miss future star.

Robertson is a superstar 23 YO winger with 4 years left of control. No Slaf/caufield and Dallas wouldn't even entertain it
21 sept. 2022 à 17 h 27
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Certainly Dallas aren't taking on 5.5m X 5 years of Anderson's bad cap.
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21 sept. 2022 à 17 h 33
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Byron and Khudobin to LTIR gives the Habs 6.5M plus the 4M already there. His contract is like an 8x8 maybe 8,5x8

That's not getting Robertson. Montreal is by far the heaviest tax burdened jurisdiction compared to Montreal California looks like Florida



Edit : If Dallas took the deal.
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Guhle is likely to be a #3 defenseman. He's not a can't miss future star.

Robertson is a superstar 23 YO winger with 4 years left of control. No Slaf/caufield and Dallas wouldn't even entertain it


Oh like Debrincat

Robertson would be asking for a trade since he isnt signed, that lowers his value.

And Guhles ceiling top 2 d man, prospects arent judged on where they most likely will be but on how good can they possibly be. Thats called potential and he would be the 2nd best potential d man on the Stars after Heiskenan.

They also get 2 unprotected 2 first round picks, and a player who himself is worth another late 1st rounder (basing this on the Sens nearly sending 7th overall for Anderson and 26th)

Now leys compare to another trade, the Debrincat trade

Debrincat is better than Robertson in every way

His return was a 7th overall, a 2nd rounder and a 3rd rounder. The trade i put forth is higher value than what the Sens sent for Debrincat
21 sept. 2022 à 17 h 38
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That's not getting Robertson. Montreal is by far the heaviest tax burdened jurisdiction compared to Montreal California looks like Florida



Edit : If Dallas took the deal.


But he doesnt have to live in a 3rd world country so whats the price in that?
21 sept. 2022 à 17 h 39
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Certainly Dallas aren't taking on 5.5m X 5 years of Anderson's bad cap.


Many teams seem fine with it, that is why Hughes has a massive price to acquire him
21 sept. 2022 à 17 h 47
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Many teams seem fine with it, that is why Hughes has a massive price to acquire him


I doubt any team wants to acquire Anderson unless equally bad cap goes to the Habs. There is no reason to believe any teams have even made an inquiry about acquiring Anderson. Please don't be foolish and believe what any GM says in public about trades or contract negotiations.
21 sept. 2022 à 17 h 52
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I doubt any team wants to acquire Anderson unless equally bad cap goes to the Habs. There is no reason to believe any teams have even made an inquiry about acquiring Anderson. Please don't be foolish and believe what any GM says in public about trades or contract negotiations.


Sens were going to send the 7th overall pick to Montreal for Anderson and 26th overall but the trade got nixed because Debrincat became available
21 sept. 2022 à 17 h 57
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Oh like Debrincat

Robertson would be asking for a trade since he isnt signed, that lowers his value.

And Guhles ceiling top 2 d man, prospects arent judged on where they most likely will be but on how good can they possibly be. Thats called potential and he would be the 2nd best potential d man on the Stars after Heiskenan.

They also get 2 unprotected 2 first round picks, and a player who himself is worth another late 1st rounder (basing this on the Sens nearly sending 7th overall for Anderson and 26th)

Now leys compare to another trade, the Debrincat trade

Debrincat is better than Robertson in every way

His return was a 7th overall, a 2nd rounder and a 3rd rounder. The trade i put forth is higher value than what the Sens sent for Debrincat


I knew you were going to bring up Debrincat - he has 1 year remaining at 6.4 mill and can take a 9 mill QO to UFA next offseason. I

Robertson has 4 RFA years left , plus he’s better than Debrincat. Robertson Is arguably the best left wing in the NHL.

Asking for a trade doesn’t lower value - Nils Lundkvist just requested a trade. Matthew Tkachuk essentially requested a trade. Both went for great returns.


I’ve read all the prospect reports on Guhle, at best he’s a #2 D, but his most likely scenario is a #3 D. Not enough offense to his game to drive a 1st pairing. Also have you considered Dallas needs in this trade? Obviously not. Their plan is to keep Heiskanen at LD, they also have Harley right behind him. Plus they just drafted Bischel. They have no need for Guhle. Slaf/Caufield or bust. Almost any team would give up their A caliber young wingers for Robertson.
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I knew you were going to bring up Debrincat - he has 1 year remaining at 6.4 mill and can take a 9 mill QO to UFA next offseason. I

Robertson has 4 RFA years left , plus he’s better than Debrincat. Robertson Is arguably the best left wing in the NHL.

Asking for a trade doesn’t lower value - Nils Lundkvist just requested a trade. Matthew Tkachuk essentially requested a trade. Both went for great returns.


I’ve read all the prospect reports on Guhle, at best he’s a #2 D, but his most likely scenario is a #3 D. Not enough offense to his game to drive a 1st pairing. Also have you considered Dallas needs in this trade? Obviously not. Their plan is to keep Heiskanen at LD, they also have Harley right behind him. Plus they just drafted Bischel. They have no need for Guhle. Slaf/Caufield or bust. Almost any team would give up their A caliber young wingers for Robertson.


Don’t take a habs fan too seriously. It’s not often they consider a teams needs.

It’s Caufield in the deal or no deal. It’s really as simple as that. Dallas won’t get slaf, but Caufield is a potential. Might not get too much else with him if anything but it’s a better deal than this.
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21 sept. 2022 à 18 h 7
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Don’t take a habs fan too seriously. It’s not often they consider a teams needs.

It’s Caufield in the deal or no deal. It’s really as simple as that. Dallas won’t get slaf, but Caufield is a potential. Might not get too much else with him if anything but it’s a better deal than this.


I don’t think Fans realize how good Robertson is. He‘ll be in the conversation for best winger in the league next season. I’d rather trade Slaf than caufield tbh.

It would cost:

Caufield+Barron+ + Beck +2023 1st (FL) + 2023 2nd.
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I knew you were going to bring up Debrincat - he has 1 year remaining at 6.4 mill and can take a 9 mill QO to UFA next offseason. I

Robertson has 4 RFA years left , plus he’s better than Debrincat. Robertson Is arguably the best left wing in the NHL.

Asking for a trade doesn’t lower value - Nils Lundkvist just requested a trade. Matthew Tkachuk essentially requested a trade. Both went for great returns.


I’ve read all the prospect reports on Guhle, at best he’s a #2 D, but his most likely scenario is a #3 D. Not enough offense to his game to drive a 1st pairing. Also have you considered Dallas needs in this trade? Obviously not. Their plan is to keep Heiskanen at LD, they also have Harley right behind him. Plus they just drafted Bischel. They have no need for Guhle. Slaf/Caufield or bust. Almost any team would give up their A caliber young wingers for Robertson.


Guhle is better than all of them but Heiskanen and Heiskanen can play the Right side

And this is Robertson we are talking about, not some superstar. Hes an elite scoring winger but doesnt provide much more than that. Not worth a former 1st overall pick you was selected just a few months ago or a player who has higher potential than him in Caufield. When you make a trade involving elite players, you get a package of value that is even or more than what you trade. You never get the best player in the deal and if you do, its a fleecing on your end
21 sept. 2022 à 18 h 22
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Guhle is better than all of them but Heiskanen and Heiskanen can play the Right side

And this is Robertson we are talking about, not some superstar. Hes an elite scoring winger but doesnt provide much more than that. Not worth a former 1st overall pick you was selected just a few months ago or a player who has higher potential than him in Caufield. When you make a trade involving elite players, you get a package of value that is even or more than what you trade. You never get the best player in the deal and if you do, its a fleecing on your end


Nah id take Harley over Guhle any day. It doesn't matter that Heiskanen can play the right side, the team wants him on the left

Jason Robertson is a superstar. There is no way you just said Caufiled has more potential than Robertson lol. Slafkovsky would be lucky to be 60% of the player Robertson is, he shouldn't have been selected 1st overall in the first place.

Yeah Robertson doesn't provide much more than being a scoring winger ...cmon man do some research.

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Sens were going to send the 7th overall pick to Montreal for Anderson and 26th overall but the trade got nixed because Debrincat became available


Until Gorton and Dorion BOTH confirm that trade was approved by both parties there is nothing to it. But really how can Dorion offer the 7th for Anderson the 26th, and then go back on his word because another deal....DeBrincate was also in the works (or came late ) Sorry, this Anderson trade to Ottawa is just folly too, just made up by Gorton and Montreal press trying to up the return for any Anderson trade.
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Until Gorton and Dorion BOTH confirm that trade was approved by both parties there is nothing to it. But really how can Dorion offer the 7th for Anderson the 26th, and then go back on his word because another deal....DeBrincate was also in the works (or came late Sorry, this Anderson trade to Ottawa is just folly too, just made up by Gorton and Montreal press trying to up the return for any Anderson trade.


that trade was a rumor from a MTL based blog lol - No credible insider said Sens were trading for Anderson.
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But he doesnt have to live in a 3rd world country so whats the price in that?


Obviously never been to the Dallas area beautiful year round.
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21 sept. 2022 à 18 h 58
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Guhle is likely to be a #3 defenseman. He's not a can't miss future star.

Robertson is a superstar 23 YO winger with 4 years left of control. No Slaf/caufield and Dallas wouldn't even entertain it


I have refused a lot of proposals from people asking for Pinto and/or Greig but Robertson is an asset easily worth making them available, even though the Sens have zero need for a top-6 winger.


If available you just get him and then figure it out by trading someone else.

Package would look more like this :

Caufield/Slafkovsky + Ghule + 2023 1st round pick (MTL) + secondary piece
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Byron and Khudobin to LTIR gives the Habs 6.5M plus the 4M already there. His contract is like an 8x8 maybe 8,5x8


Dobby is healthy. If Dobby could go to LTIR Dallas would have already signed Robertson for 8.5/8 and I wouldn’t have to listen to delusional Montreal fans talk about Dallas having to trade him for nothing cuz he hasn’t signed yet and preseason starts tomorrow and Dallas has no options but Montreal (who has even less cap space) has all the options in the world. Petry was totally worth Bourque and a first rounder. Crazy that didn’t happen 🙄🙄🙄
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But he doesnt have to live in a 3rd world country so whats the price in that?


This is one of the dumbest comments ever on here
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This is one of the dumbest comments ever on here


Look up snob in the dictionary and there’s a picture of a Habs fan 🤣
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This is one of the dumbest comments ever on here


"hmmmm, I don't have an actual rebuttal to tax questions, what should i do? Oh, i got it! I'll just call the US a third world country! That's SURE to get people to agree with me!"

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