Avs fans coming : Not enough for a top 10-15 dman …

I’m no aves fan, but this isn’t even close to enough for Toews.

Also, it wouldn’t be a partner for Carlson, it would be a guy to drag carlson around the ice.

Trading Toews for this package would be like trading him for two second round picks 😂😂😂

Also Carlson can still play bro lol

I meant that Toews' age profile matches Washington's core group.

Perhaps I underestimated Toews' value here. Maybe add another good prospect instead of a 3rd or something.

It’s more likely the Avs trade Girard and extend Toews imo. I don’t think he will take much more than Weegar will for two reasons. The first being that he’s gonna hit UFA status around 30, and the second being that if he leaves Colorado he won’t play with Makar anymore. Why would he want to leave Makar?

What sort of value do you think Toews would get? I'm just proposing an idea of what the base of a trade could be, it could easily include more pieces.

A mid 1st + RHD prospect seems like a decent starting point for a pending UFA. But I guess maybe Washington add something more.

Would Lapierre + 1st + Chesley be too much?

If Colorado trade Girard instead of Toews they'll risk having only Byram as LHD if Toews walks in UFA. Toews could probably also command $8m+ on the open market which would be far too rich for Colorado.

Or and hear me out…. Toews takes less to stay. Like Manson before him. Imo Toews is not the kind of guy who would want to leave Colorado over a couple million dollars. It’s not worth it imo when he would have to play with someone significantly worse than Makar in that scenario.

For all we know Behrens could be on the roster by then. Too far out to tell imo. And if they trade Girard they should get someone back who can play second pair minutes.

I actually think the Caps would decline here, unless they decide to let Orlov walk for whatever reason. Washington would take on a decent amount of risk dealing Ches and a 1st for a UFA, which I wouldn't worry too much about had it not burned Washington in the past (ie. Shattenkirk). Toews is a great defenseman, don't get me wrong, but I think it may be in Washington's best interest to retain Orlov and Fehervary instead, taking the downgrade from Toews to Orlov but saving a decent amount of money in the process. Washington could use the 8 mil that Toews would likely get and instead use 5 on Orlov and 3 on Fehervary, leaving more money for other needs. I may be in the minority of Caps fans against this offer, but I think the Caps could save some money by staying the course and upgrading at different positions.

Manson didn't take less to stay. $4.5m X 4 was more or less market value.

Toews has a late start to his NHL career so hasn't made as much money as most top pair Dmen. As an UFA at 30 he'll have the chance to cash in big and players rarely pass that opportunity up.

I don’t think he will. Not if it means leaving Makar. Look at Brian Rust in Pittsburgh, it’s not a perfect comp but u can kind of c my logic here.

If Girard gets traded it wouldn't be for a 2nd pair Dman, that would just be giving up one top 4 Dman for another.

Behrens might be on the roster by 2023, but realistically he'll play some AHL hockey first unless he really takes to the NHL well out of college.

Well you would want a guy who could end up being a second pair d man if u trade Girard….

Are you sure both Orlov and Fehervary will re-sign in Washington?

If this trade was done after July 1st Washington could already talk extension before the trade as well to take away the UFA risk. In fact that would probably be a win-win-win situation as Caps get Toews locked in long-term, Avs maximise their trade return, and Toews gets financial security a year early so he doesn't risk missing out on dollars if he has an injury or a down year while adjusting to a new team.

Toews - Makar
Byram - Manson

A 2nd pair Dman wouldn't be essential if Girard got traded, except for maybe a young RHD who can take over from Manson eventually (hence I suggested Chesley in the Toews return above). It wouldn't need to be someone who can play on the 2nd pair immediately.

Fehervary will be an RFA, so that shouldn't be a problem, and I can't see Orlov leaving unless he gets wooed by some team willing to pay him 6 or 7+. The Caps throughout his career have shown a stubborn, almost romantic commitment to him through the thick and thin, and he's close with the other Russians on the team, so I don't see him leaving without something driving him out. The other option could be in letting Jensen walk and having Orlov play the right side, but it's something he hasn't done in years and honestly wasn't great at when he did. While Toews could be a worthwhile add, it seems unlikely that Washington would wish to part with either defenseman with extensions for Wilson, Mantha, Strome, McMichael, Jensen, and others all impending in the next year or two, and would instead save the money and look to the internal options of Alexeyev, Johansen, Johnson, Iorio, and Chesley to eventually fill any holes on defense.

Especially considering the last 30ish year old defenseman they gave a contract to has started to fall off a decent amount defensively halfway in. While I'm not saying its certain Toews could be Carlson 2.0, I would think Washington could worry that he might do just that.

I will say it again, Toews a top 10 dman in the league if traded gets more than these peanuts. Chiarot a traffic cone fetched a first a fourth and Smilanic.

Thanks for weighing in.

What would you add to the trade above to make it equitable?

I love Toews but I wouldnt do it as a Caps fan. They have Orlov and Fehervary in the top 4 with Alexeyev almost here. If they end up needing a LHD just wait for Sanheim to hit the market next summer.

McMichael but I don’t think he is enough or has enough upside or is locked in long enough. I don’t know that Washington is capable of putting together a package that works for COL purposes outside of a bunch of 1st rd picks which Washington shouldn’t do.

Lapierre + Chesley + 1st ?

I completely agree with @NoVaSpartan here. While Toews is great (I am not saying otherwise) and that specific package you have probably favors WASH (value wise), I think Washington declines. Like it was said above, WASH has Fehevary who is a top line RFA (who also will have a great bridge deal coming 3x3 ish) and then Orlov who is a perfect fit in WASH system at a 2nd line LHD (and will probably get a 4x5 ish contract). I for one would be absolutely shocked if both aren't resigned as both have important roles, love WASH, solid ages still, and will have good upcoming deals. Here, you sign two defenders who fit the WASH system for that $8mil and can use cash otherwise. In regards to Orlov playing on the right, yes he has done that, but a) Lav (assuming he is resigned) does not like putting defenders on their weak side and b) Orlov was pretty brutal on the right not gonna lie.

Also, I am seeing a package put together with McMichael, a 1st, Chesley, etc etc -> I think that is way too much for WASH. First off, remember that he will be a UFA when traded (and 30) and second, you have to take into account "need" for the other team. Toews, while very solid, is not "needed" for WASH (especially for $8mil). Therefore, the package would be lower than COL would accept. Probably best to find a new trading partner for that UFA

Edit: Also, COL might have to take into account that teams know COL's salary cap situation. If COL is shopping Toews, teams know they have chosen to not resign him (because they can't afford him). That might (key word might) lower the price. I am not saying this is 100% true, but could happen.

We don’t have too many instances of a top ten d man in the league getting moved. I would expect a haul. I don’t think Washington is the right fit.

Carlson stinks.