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Créé par: UpsideDownQue
Date de création initiale: 20 sept. 2022
Publié: 20 sept. 2022
Équipe: 2023-24 Avalanche du Colorado
Explications
Just getting an idea for the Avs cap situation next year with MacKinnon at 12.6M

Didnt put much time into the UFA signings but Johansson, Carpenter, and Smith are all in the later stages of their careers and havent won anything yet. Doesnt have to be those guys specifically but the idea is to find cheap vet players who take discounts for a chance to win. Its also tough to predict performance for older players so obviously if these guys regress heavily the Avs should sign someone else

I didnt feel like looking up the QOs for a lot of RFAs so I just did 850k for now cause thats in the ballpark

Assuming Bowers and Kaut get claimed on waivers or are traded in a prospect swap deal, but either way that doesnt impact the NHL roster here so I didnt show it. I also didnt show any reserve list signings even though they may happen
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RFAANSCAP HIT
Byram, Bowen34 000 000 $
Newhook, Alex33 000 000 $
Meyers, Ben21 500 000 $
Maltsev, Mikhail2850 000 $
Ranta, Sampo2850 000 $
Annunen, Justus2850 000 $
UFAANSCAP HIT
Johnson, Erik12 000 000 $
Carpenter, Ryan11 000 000 $
Määttä, Olli22 000 000 $
Johansson, Marcus21 500 000 $
Smith, Craig11 000 000 $
Transactions
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COL
    TOR
    1. Manson, Josh
    Détails additionnels:
    To the highest bidder
    ANNÉE DE REPÊCHAGERONDE 1RONDE 2RONDE 3RONDE 4RONDE 5RONDE 6RONDE 7
    2023
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    2024
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    2025
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    TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
    2283 500 000 $82 625 000 $0 $0 $875 000 $
    Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
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    Landeskog, Gabriel
    7 000 000 $
    AG, C
    NMC
    UFA - 6
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    MacKinnon, Nathan
    12 600 000 $
    C, AD
    NMC
    UFA - 8
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    Nichushkin, Valeri
    6 125 000 $
    AD, AG
    NMC
    UFA - 7
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    Lehkonen, Artturi
    4 500 000 $
    AG, AD
    NTC
    UFA - 4
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    Newhook, Alex
    3 000 000 $
    C, AG
    RFA
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    Rantanen, Mikko
    9 250 000 $
    AD, C
    NTC
    UFA - 2
    Johansson, Marcus
    1 500 000 $
    AG, AD
    UFA
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    Meyers, Ben
    1 500 000 $
    AG, C
    RFA
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    O'Connor, Logan
    1 050 000 $
    AD, AG
    UFA - 2
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    Maltsev, Mikhail
    850 000 $
    C, AG
    RFA
    Carpenter, Ryan
    1 000 000 $
    AD, C
    UFA
    Smith, Craig
    1 000 000 $
    AD, C
    UFA
    Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
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    Byram, Bowen
    4 000 000 $
    DG
    RFA
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    Makar, Cale
    9 000 000 $
    DD
    UFA - 4
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    Georgiev, Alexandar
    3 400 000 $
    G
    UFA - 2
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    Toews, Devon
    4 100 000 $
    DG
    UFA - 1
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    Girard, Samuel
    5 000 000 $
    DG/DD
    UFA - 4
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    Francouz, Pavel
    2 000 000 $
    G
    UFA - 1
    Määttä, Olli
    2 000 000 $
    DG
    UFA
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    Johnson, Erik
    2 000 000 $
    DD
    UFA
    Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
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    MacDermid, Kurtis
    987 500 $
    DG/DD, AG
    UFA - 1
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    MacDonald, Jacob
    762 500 $
    DG/DD, AG
    UFA - 1

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    20 sept. à 12 h 48
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    You really think it'll be G over Manson? Feel like it'll be the other way around
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    20 sept. à 12 h 49
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    I think its gonna be Girard as to be fair they did win without him in the end and he can get them a really good return
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    20 sept. à 12 h 50
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    Quoting: Foppa21
    You really think it'll be G over Manson? Feel like it'll be the other way around


    I went back and forth on this right before I posted, but ended up choosing Girard. Itll be one of those 2 imo, probably depends on their performance next season
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    20 sept. à 12 h 52
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    Quoting: UpsideDownQue
    I went back and forth on this right before I posted, but ended up choosing Girard. Itll be one of those 2 imo, probably depends on their performance next season


    Manson has a full NTC until the following year. I'll post mine in a minute.
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    20 sept. à 12 h 55
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    Manson has a full NTC until the following year. I'll post mine in a minute.


    Oh good point, probably will be Girard moving then
    20 sept. à 13 h 44
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    If Newhook and Byram earn those spots, then they're not signing those contracts. Either less term or more money.
    20 sept. à 14 h 6
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    Quoting: Burnout
    If Newhook and Byram earn those spots, then they're not signing those contracts. Either less term or more money.


    It really depends on how they perform next season but I dont think this is far off. Dobson just scored over 50 points while playing 21.5 mins per game and signed 3x4M, I think thats a pretty good comparable for Byram if he plays well. The lines can be shuffled around but I just put Byram with Makar since Girard didnt pair well with Byram last year while Toews did

    For Newhook we dont know if he or Rodrigues will be the 2C yet so its tough to say how he will produce. I based this on Hintz's 3x3.15M deal after he scored 46P in 85GP (reg+playoffs) the previous year. I think Newhook will produce at roughly the same rate
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    20 sept. à 14 h 29
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    Quoting: UpsideDownQue
    It really depends on how they perform next season but I dont think this is far off. Dobson just scored over 50 points while playing 21.5 mins per game and signed 3x4M, I think thats a pretty good comparable for Byram if he plays well. The lines can be shuffled around but I just put Byram with Makar since Girard didnt pair well with Byram last year while Toews did

    For Newhook we dont know if he or Rodrigues will be the 2C yet so its tough to say how he will produce. I based this on Hintz's 3x3.15M deal after he scored 46P in 85GP (reg+playoffs) the previous year. I think Newhook will produce at roughly the same rate


    Dobson isn't a top-pair D-man 5v5 with NYI, you have Byram as a top-pair guy. The bigger one though is that the market has shifted for young centers since Hintz's contract (which was too low anyways). You're probably looking at the Kotkaniemi, Dach, Bennett, Eriksson EK, etc. contracts as a comparable if he's going to be relied on as 2C/3C guy.
    20 sept. à 14 h 39
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    Dobson isn't a top-pair D-man 5v5 with NYI, you have Byram as a top-pair guy. The bigger one though is that the market has shifted for young centers since Hintz's contract (which was too low anyways). You're probably looking at the Kotkaniemi, Dach, Bennett, Eriksson EK, etc. contracts as a comparable if he's going to be relied on as 2C/3C guy.


    You are looking at the lineup the season after they sign. Just because I put Byram on the top pair in 23-24 doesnt mean he will be a top pair D in 22-23. And Dobson actually had the highest TOI/GP on the Isles, higher than both Pulock and Pelech last year

    Same with Newhook - Maybe he will be a 3C in 22-23, sign his extension, and then be put as the 2C when Rodrigues leaves. Plus all of the C comparables you listed were longer term deals. This is a 3 year bridge deal so it will have a lower AAV. Kotkaniemi and JEE signed 8 years, while Dach and Bennett signed 4 years
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    20 sept. à 15 h 9
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    You are looking at the lineup the season after they sign. Just because I put Byram on the top pair in 23-24 doesnt mean he will be a top pair D in 22-23. And Dobson actually had the highest TOI/GP on the Isles, higher than both Pulock and Pelech last year

    Same with Newhook - Maybe he will be a 3C in 22-23, sign his extension, and then be put as the 2C when Rodrigues leaves. Plus all of the C comparables you listed were longer term deals. This is a 3 year bridge deal so it will have a lower AAV. Kotkaniemi and JEE signed 8 years, while Dach and Bennett signed 4 years


    Dobson had a higher TOI because he got PP assignments, he was very clearly not the top D-man.

    Even if Newhook is a 3C, he'd be a 3C former 1st round pick going for a bridge that keeps him an RFA. Assuming he justifies that spot, that's not going to be a 3 mil AAV, its probably going be in the 3.5 to 4.5 mil at best. And potentially more.
    20 sept. à 15 h 25
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    Dobson had a higher TOI because he got PP assignments, he was very clearly not the top D-man.

    Even if Newhook is a 3C, he'd be a 3C former 1st round pick going for a bridge that keeps him an RFA. Assuming he justifies that spot, that's not going to be a 3 mil AAV, its probably going be in the 3.5 to 4.5 mil at best. And potentially more.


    Ehhh - his TOI compared to Pulock is close enough at even strength that its pretty much a wash - Pulock averaged a whole 8 seconds more per game at 5v5, is it really worth it to split hairs like that? At the end of the day he played 21.5 mins per game and scored 51 points, then signed for 3x4M. I think thats a pretty good comparable for Byram if he continues to play like he did last year

    I dont think draft position has as big of an impact as you are suggesting. By 2023 Newhooks draft will be 4 years ago with 2 pro seasons under his belt - you pay for performance, not draft position. If Newhook scores around 45 points in 22-23 then that puts him in a pretty similar spot to Hintz who was also on pace for 45 points the year before he signed 3x3.15M (and who was also a top prospect who signed a 3 year bridge that kept him an RFA). Obviously it depends on how he performs in 22-23, but I dont think 3x3 is completely unrealistic or anything
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