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Colorado Avalanche signed Nathan MacKinnon (8 Years / $12,600,000 AAV)

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20 sept. 2022 à 13 h 17
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I'm surprised people seem to think this isn't a fair deal or that he wanted all the money's. I was expecting him to get more if he wanted fair market value. 13.5-14 mil

This is almost exactly equal to Toews and Kane's extensions as percent of cap. This isn't some super discount but it isn't him trying to get every last cent he could
20 sept. 2022 à 13 h 19
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why not $12,500,001 ?
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20 sept. 2022 à 13 h 23
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Reminder :

Nobody signs team-friendly contracts ; they just sign bad deals and afterwards argue it's a team-friendly team for PR

Not true. McDavid took less than offered.
20 sept. 2022 à 13 h 26
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Quoting: Random2152
And so it begins.
The first of the crazy contracts are done. Expect AM to surpass this soon, followed by McDavid soon after.

I wouldn't be surprised if McDavid & Draisaitl take discounts to stay together. McDavid took less than offered last time.
20 sept. 2022 à 13 h 28
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Not true. McDavid took less than offered.


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I wouldn't be surprised if McDavid & Draisaitl take discounts to stay together. McDavid took less than offered last time.


Do you have a source for that?
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20 sept. 2022 à 13 h 29
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Love seeing people complain "b-but it's not team friendly..." when he's taken paycuts before and now wants what he's worth. Like people are conditioned to expect players to take less money every time like Marchand and Bergeron, while ignoring context of those situations.

It's Nathan MacKinnon. It's worth it, especially with the cap jumping up in a few years. He can be great for the majority of this contract, barring wild injury.
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20 sept. 2022 à 13 h 30
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Not true. McDavid took less than offered.


Got a source for that?

Seems like load of bull considering he became the highest paid player straight out of his ELC.
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20 sept. 2022 à 13 h 30
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Do you have a source for that?

It's commonly known that they offered $13.25M and he moved it down a notch. It was on Twitter at the time, don't recall who.
20 sept. 2022 à 13 h 33
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It's commonly known that they offered $13.25M and he moved it down a notch. It was on Twitter at the time, don't recall who.


I mean I don't want to come across as an asshole, but I find that hard to believe. I'd expect the league's upcoming best player to want to be paid the most. Plus, he was an RFA.
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20 sept. 2022 à 13 h 35
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It's commonly known that they offered $13.25M and he moved it down a notch. It was on Twitter at the time, don't recall who.


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I mean I don't want to come across as an asshole, but I find that hard to believe. I'd expect the league's upcoming best player to want to be paid the most. Plus, he was an RFA.


Well, I don't know how credible this source is, but here you go.

https://edmontonjournal.com/sports/hockey/nhl/cult-of-hockey/twitter-reacts-to-connor-mcdavid-signing-its-a-great-day-for-oilers-fans

You're welcome CD282.
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20 sept. 2022 à 13 h 38
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Quoting: CD282
I wouldn't be surprised if McDavid & Draisaitl take discounts to stay together. McDavid took less than offered last time.


In a few years time, McDavid taking less will still end up being 7-8@15
20 sept. 2022 à 13 h 41
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Love seeing people complain "b-but it's not team friendly..." when he's taken paycuts before and now wants what he's worth. Like people are conditioned to expect players to take less money every time like Marchand and Bergeron, while ignoring context of those situations.

It's Nathan MacKinnon. It's worth it, especially with the cap jumping up in a few years. He can be great for the majority of this contract, barring wild injury.

He didn't take a pay cut before. He was coming off a 21 goal, 52 point season and signed for an adjusted $7.2M. That wasn't a discount at the time.
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20 sept. 2022 à 13 h 41
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I mean I don't want to come across as an asshole, but I find that hard to believe. I'd expect the league's upcoming best player to want to be paid the most. Plus, he was an RFA.

He was paid the most.
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20 sept. 2022 à 13 h 45
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As an oilers fan I am scared to see what Mcdavid and Drai will get since Mackinnon is now the highest paid player.
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20 sept. 2022 à 13 h 45
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Well, I don't know how credible this source is, but here you go.

https://edmontonjournal.com/sports/hockey/nhl/cult-of-hockey/twitter-reacts-to-connor-mcdavid-signing-its-a-great-day-for-oilers-fans

You're welcome CD282.

Thanks! Chiarelli, Mackenzie, Rishaug, Friedman - it doesn't get more credible than that.
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20 sept. 2022 à 13 h 50
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Quoting: CD282
Thanks! Chiarelli, Mackenzie, Rishaug, Friedman - it doesn't get more credible than that.


I even missed that part of the article, they are pretty credible sources.
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20 sept. 2022 à 14 h 16
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The Avs won the Cup in part because of MacKinnon's great contract. Before it was all about the team, this guy talked about taking a discount and look at what Makar did.

Now as their players turn into mercenaries their dynasty will end.
20 sept. 2022 à 14 h 25
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The Avs won the Cup in part because of MacKinnon's great contract. Before it was all about the team, this guy talked about taking a discount and look at what Makar did.

Now as their players turn into mercenaries their dynasty will end.

I agree. They lost several significant players this summer and this contract doesn't start for another year. More shoes to drop.

Toews & Kane won 3 Cups, but since their big $10.5M deals kicked in they haven't won a single playoff round.

Unless the talent is transcendent, it can't overcome the lack of team depth resulting from massive legacy contracts in the cap era.
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20 sept. 2022 à 14 h 37
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"he's going to take a team discount" - Avs Fans

"HOW BOUT NO" - Mackinnon

-Mackinnon is good, but I wouldn't say he's worth more then McDavid. If the avs win a few more cups. I'd say this is worth it right away. But if they don't, I'm going to call it a huge overpay.
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20 sept. 2022 à 14 h 49
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Quoting: Babatunde
Beautiful contract and signed for 8 years while Matthews signed for 5 years


This is MacKinnons 3rd contract (28-36)

Matthews is on his 2nd contract (21-27)

Matthews will likely want his 3rd contract to be 8 years as well (regardless of who he signs with).

Some people just can't stop thinking about the Leafs ... even when it makes no sense lol.
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20 sept. 2022 à 14 h 49
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As soon as he won his cup I knew he wasnt making less than McDavid


As for record breaking contract it holds till AM 16mill x 8 year deal and than whenever Draisaitl gets grabbed via FA


He did though, McDavids CH% is 16.67%, Nate's is 15.27%, he actual did to a little bit of a discount.

The back couple years of this contract could be rough, $12.6 milly cap hit in years 7 & 8 maybe brutal. You had to sign in but this maybe a tough one down the road.
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20 sept. 2022 à 14 h 52
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I agree. They lost several significant players this summer and this contract doesn't start for another year. More shoes to drop.

Toews & Kane won 3 Cups, but since their big $10.5M deals kicked in they haven't won a single playoff round.

Unless the talent is transcendent, it can't overcome the lack of team depth resulting from massive legacy contracts in the cap era.


1,000%, I can all kinds of hate whenever I point that out from fans but it is the truth. It is incredibly hard to win paying multiple players $10,000,000 and up annually.
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20 sept. 2022 à 15 h 0
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Quoting: sensonfire
This is one way of compensating MacKinnon for taking the ultra-cheap contract that he signed back in 2016.


2014-15 = 38 points in 64 games (0.59 ppg)
2015-16 = 52 points in 72 games (0.72 ppg)

Then he signed his current contract in July 2016.

MacKinnon never took a team-friendly discount.

He just improved drastically after signing.

It still worked out well for his team though.
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20 sept. 2022 à 15 h 1
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No problem with a guy getting draft #1 by them, winning a cup there, and then getting his lettuce 🥬
20 sept. 2022 à 15 h 6
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This isn't Robertson
 
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