Foegele and Barrie are cap dumps, Need to add at least 2 2nd round picks just to move those contracts. Detroit 100% passes. Hronek is worth more than 2 cap dumps and a 3rd round pick.

Barrie is basically an old Hronek. So Detroit is swapping a young Dman for an old Dman of similar on ice performance and the sweetener is Foegele and a 3rd? Do you honestly think Detroit would even consider such an awful proposal?

"I think this isnt crazy. Detroit can flip foegle for a 4th at the deadline and Barrie for probably a 2nd or 3rd this year or next especially if they retain"

Detroit would just flip Hronek for a 2nd + to somebody else if they want to trade him and not bother taking on Edmonton's overpriced players.

Barrie is a perennial 50 point RHD making just $4.5M. If he is indeed overpriced and a cap dump as you guys claim, then please list out all the RHD in the league that can put up as many points while also being cheaper than $4.5M annually.

Foegele has similar stats to Hagel and Goodrow. He's got value to any playoff team. I can understand why Detroit wouldn't be interested as they aren't a playoff team, but don't discount his ability to contribute to a Cup Contender.

Detroit counters with Erne, Fabbri and a 3rd for Bouchard.

First, Tyson Barrie is not a "perennial" 50 point defenseman. He's crossed the 50 point threshold three times in 10 seasons. And not in 4 years. Second, he's 31. Third, he has no idea where his own zone is. Also, If Foegele was so easy to trade you would have done it already.
The value in this trade is horrible for Detroit anyway you look at it. Hronek is 7 years younger, has 3 more years of team control, scores at a similiar pace and yes; he costs less...

If Barrie and Foegele are that good. Why do Oilers fans keep wanting to dump them? Are they not a cup contending team?

Detroit doesn’t have enough solid RHD in the pipeline to remove a 24 RFA Hronek for a rental at 31, especially considering they aren’t contenders.

Foegele is redundant at this point. The Wings don’t need more middle to bottom 6 forwards. Not to mention the roster size was not considered.

Last problem is that regardless of players, Edmonton needs to shed cap. That is the point for this trade. Players aren’t cap dumps, they are casualties. Patches is the only example needed to prove that.

bArRiE iS a PeReNniAl 50 pOiNt RhD.

The fact that he's putting up those kind of numbers but is consistently a minus player or just barely above +/-0. He's a PP guy and has been on teams with Mackinnon, Rantanen, Matthews, Marner, McDavid, Draisaitl, . 5v5 he's not that great and he's a dud in in own end. Hronek has his struggles in the D zone too but he at least has some edge to his game and can throw a hit. Hronek also put up decent mid-30's numbers on Detroit who have very limited forward offense and are are terrible PP team.

I don't love the trade but I think hronek has been on bad teams with bad partners for his whole career. I wanna see what he does this year in a more stable d core.

Insanely hard pass by Detroit

First, 2 of the past 3 seasons were artificially shortened. Barrie missed just 9 games in that span and scored 128 points in 199 games, which works out to a normal season average of 79, 8-43-51. So "perennial 50 point scorer" is apt.
Second, you haven't listed a SINGLE defenseman who scores similarly while making less money.

Cap space. And I'm not responsible for what other Oilers fans do or think.

So you acknowledge they are cap dumps...yet still think Detroit should pay high value for them?

Using +/- to argue defensive ability?

Clearly you have no idea what you're talking about. Barrie has posted a positive GF% Rel in 8 of his past 9 seasons. His 5v5 goal differential with the Oilers is 108 GF - 95 GA in the regular season and 16 GF - 9 GA in the playoffs. The Oilers have allowed fewer goals against when Barrie is on the ice than when he's on the bench. They are happy with what he has brought and aren't trading him for nothing. He's not a cap dump and he's not overpaid.

Speaking of which, I noticed that you haven't named a SINGLE defenseman in the league that brings similar offense for less money.

Where did I comment on the trade value?

This you?
"Barrie is a perennial 50 point RHD making just $4.5M. If he is indeed overpriced and a cap dump as you guys claim, then please list out all the RHD in the league that can put up as many points while also being cheaper than $4.5M annually.
Foegele has similar stats to Hagel and Goodrow. He's got value to any playoff team. I can understand why Detroit wouldn't be interested as they aren't a playoff team, but don't discount his ability to contribute to a Cup Contender."

You're basically saying these guys are great players and should command good value in return and are cap dumps all in the same breath...SMH

Just because a team needs to part with a player to clear cap doesn't mean they are a cap dump. They can be a good player that doesn't fit the teams needs right now. Barrie isn't playing higher on Edmontons right side because Ceci is a better partner for nurse and Bouchard has better upside and also shouldnt be paired with rookie. That doesnt mean that Barrie is a 3rd pairing D on every other team.

Nowhere did I say anything about the trade as listed, I'm simply taking umbrage at your idiotic, biased and incorrect take on Edmonton's players.

And again, where is your list?