Then Kyle Davidson is a complete moron

Your examples are wrong because their circumstances differ so drastically.

Neither DeBrincat or Fiala had any term, Connor has four years left.

CHI committing to a rebuild wanted to get themselves a first round pick they were severely lacking. And collectively people do think OTT absolutely robbed the Hawks.

MIN couldn't afford to keep Fiala at all. They needed to get something for him because they had zero options.

And Minnesota had no choice but to shed cap their cap situation makes TBs look good. Winnipeg doesn't have that problem bad comparison again.

First off. I really appreciate you for debating with me using facts rather than just saying everything I say is wrong. FWIW I DID put some thought into this, it was not a "Troll" post.

Your argument regarding "dumping cap" being more expensive than I am offering actually won me over. I saw with Monahan the cost of moving cap. So I will remove both Armia & Hoffman from my trade offer for Hellybuyck. The Habs do not need the cap room anyway and it just muddies up the valuation of Hellybuyck. I still do think a later 1st and a goalie prospect who is expected to be an NHL starter at one point is appropriate for Helly... because the most anyone has paid for a Goalie in a long time was when Minny paid a 1st for Fleury. Goalies do not get value when traded ever. It's just one of those things...

I would argue the Panthers overpaid for Tkachuk because his playoff performance has been pretty poor and he's only had 1 year of that kind of success. That being said there is a scarcity of that kind of player and Connor does not bring the same physical game. I'm definitely not matching what was paid for Tkachuk here, but I disagree that I should need to.

A rebuilding team who wants to pile up top 10 picks NEEDS to trade a 40+ goal scorer because otherwise they will be doomed to mediocrity like the San Jose Sharks are now.

What people? Not the people making the trades. People on the internet are never happy with anything!

Not for pennies on the dollar.
40 goal scorers making < 7.2 million for 4 years returns more than a B+ prospect and a 4oa

On paper Panthers absolutely overpaid for Tkachuk, but there's more nuance to this trade than meets the eye simply by looking at names.

FLA was in a position where they couldn't financially keep both Huberdeau and Weegar, and potentially neither of them. These guys are also older than the rest of their core, such as Barkov, Reinhart, Ekblad and Lundell, so Zito most likely looked for options that fit in better in this age group.

CGY was also in a position where their hands were tied. They had just lost their top player in Gaudreau for absolutely nothing, and their other top player in Tkachuk had told them that he had no intention of staying in Calgary for more than one year. They needed to do something, and given their run last year starting a rebuild wouldn't do them any good, they had some unfinished business.

For both of these teams the respective trade partner had something very interesting to offer. FLA had players to offer for CGY that would keep their window open to compete for a cup again. CGY had a player for FLA that could fit their core and age group perfectly.

Evidently, the trade made sense for both teams. FLA added a complimentary first for CGY because of the potential risk of losing these pending UFAs again after the playoffs, but now with Huberdeau already re-signed, CGY has successfully filled the gap Gaudreau walking left with a long-term option, and strengthened their D with an extremely solid D-man in terms of analytics.

Tkachuk trade in a sense is not value-wise the most sensible trade. The "sense" in it comes from filling the respective needs of both teams at almost equal importance and influence. This makes it also a bad comparison for a Connor trade (especially in a situation where you assume WPG is looking to rebuild), but at the same token there's little to no trades in the recent past that would have a player of Connor's tier getting traded strictly for futures, and with three years left to boot, which also makes the scenario hella unique.

In the other comment where I replied to you used DeBrincat and Fiala as comparisons for a top line winger for futures trade, but they also have the problems that is the term and team situation. WPG doesn't have an actual need or hurry to move Connor anywhere, so the offer would truly have to blast their pants off before they actually would consider moving him.

If anything, considering how good Connor is, I'd consider building a team around him, unless I really got the offer that would absolutely mesmerize me.

Also, Fleury wasn't traded for a first. It was a conditional 2nd that turned into a first if Wild reached the conference finals and Fleury had an agreed amount of wins under him, which ultimately didn't happen. Plus, he's 37, and turning 38 soon. It's not a good comparison Hellebuyck trade, who's almost nine years younger than him, and overall better goalie.

Doesn’t even come close for a guy like Barzal so what makes you think this’ll work for Connor?

As everyone has said the trades aren't reasonable are all.

Connor trade - sure 4OA is nice, but the gap between that pick and Connor is more than a dime a dozen wing prospect.

Helleybuyck trade - you're giving up the first to dump Hoffman, are giving the Jets nothing for taking Armia as a dump and think that a marginal goalie prospect gets you a top 5 goalie.

Pionk trade - you're again trying to stick the Jets with a cap dump in Savard without compensating the Jets and offering two nothing special prospects for a very good RH top 4 defenseman.

If you seriously think these are reasonable trades, I don't know what to say, other than you haven't being paying much attention at all to trades or the cost to get rid of cap dumps.

In the 2015 redraft on most sites Connor goes 7-10.

2023 draft is going to be stronger than 2015 and you would be getting the 4OA.

What is unreasonable is the expectation that Connor, who is an Elite talent, be evaluated at more than what the market generally pays for a player.

Yager, Dvorsky, Richie, Benson... Many of these players will be as good as Connor is nice they mature and you get one of them at a fraction of the cost and for a lot more years.

If a team was rebuilding, getting access to one of these players is a huge step. Obviously not if you want to compete today, but if you plan to rebuild.

Didn't really think common sense needed much more of an explanation,however you have again shown me common sense isn't common.

None of those players are a guarantee, while Connor is. You know what you're getting with Connor, 35-45 goals on a great contract for 3 years after this one. If you think a single magic bean and a mediocre wing prospect comes close to that, you're incredibly biased.

It seems you're going through a whole lot of gymnastics to try and justify some very poor offers. Instead of actually trying to be realistic and taking into account Winnipeg's viewpoint and motivation for selling so low and taking back 3 cap dumps on 3 deals, if they are rebuilding per your premise.