That Hellyuck trade is terrible for Jets, two cap dumps...yikes.

I'm assuming Primeau is going to be a starter in a few years and the 1st are the big part of it. With all the rest of the cap they are giving up in the other trades, Jets will need to take on cap to get to the floor!

Sorry, teams don't have to take on bad cap to get to the floor. Teams will just Jets LTIR players, or take a year of bad cap with a sweetener. Is Prime really an NHLer? Gee he should have been more last season.

Primeau was amazing in the AHL playoffs last year. He is gonna be an NHL starter, but not a superstar. Just a good starter. At least that's what hockey people smarter than me are saying.

Did Chevy suffer total and complete congnitive function failure? That's what would have to happen for him to become foolish enough to do any of this!!!

4 OA pick in 2023 plus a really strong LW prospect who will definitely play in the NHL for Connor, no good?

4oa is a good lottery ticket but it's a lottery ticket for every Makar there is a pool party or a Bogo or a Connelly or a Drouin or a Luke Schenn or a nail yakapov

i mean that not saying much to be honest. team rebuilding will trade players for futures. and yes prospect and draft pick are just that, lottery ticket, but they dont have all the same winning odds.!

I can't see the Jets motivation to trade good players for older, bad players, cap dumps and low value B,C or D prospects.

The firsts are nice, but aren't worth that much.

Geez...all 3 moves are so blatantly in favor of Habs...

Title checks out definitely

For a guy who is 25 signed to a nice contract for 4 years ? Who over the last 3 seasons 206 gp 111 g 105 a 216 pts. Cost a lot more

It's significantly more than Ottawa paid for DeBrincat, right? They gave up the 7 OA in a significantly worse draft class. In this case the Habs are giving up 4 OA & a prospect that should be a top 6 player in the NHL if he pans out (and based on his play at the Worlds, Olympics, and at Harvard, he IS working out).

Could you give some more examples to support your argument that this is an underpayment?

I mean by that logic, no player should ever be traded for prospects or picks. If a team is rebuilding, they have no choice. The 4OA in 2023 is arguably the best chip the Habs have and that includes Slafkovsky, Suzuki, & Caufield.

2023 is supposed to be the best draft class in 20 years and the Habs would be trading away 2 1st round picks in it. I appreciate that you disagree with my perspective, but I think you are forgetting the first assumption in my post:

Assumption: Jets decide to rebuild ahead of the draft in 2023

Kyle Connor is not gonna help a 3-4 year rebuild. They will need to trade him for something and I don't think they are getting a top 3 pick in 2023.

Thanks for the response. I wish you would be more specific about it and provide some example trades in recent years to support your position.

Obviously my assumption "Jets decide to rebuild ahead of the draft in 2023" is the pivotal point here.

I think the value for Connor being similar to DeBrincat but him having more upside is appropriate.

I think the value for Hellybuyck at a late 1st and a good goalie prospect is very fair. Even though Helly is a world class goalie (last year aside) no goalies are ever traded for more than this. If you show me an example of one in the past 5 years who got a better valuation I will gladly eat my words.

I'm not really sure about the Pionk trade. I don't know how good he is. He seems like an expensive 3/4 defensemen who plays great offensively and struggles defensively. Fits well on a fast skating team playing offensive like the Habs want to build. If the value if far off I can cancel that trade, but I would really like to hear some supporting arguments as to why I am so far off the mark.

I did not do this to troll anyone. I think these are reasonable trades.

Connor can literally be a 50 goal guy and you expect a 4os and solid prospect to get him ? A whole lot of teams beat that offer EASILY if Connor were 29+ maybe but he's 25 in his prime on a really good contract that's pennies on the friggin dollar Seriously you're joking right? You are either a major homer, being purposefully antagonistic or just really bad trade evaluator. He's paced 44 goals 42 a 86 pts per 82 games over the last three year and the numbers have been on the rise. Mind boggling you think that's a good trade.

His stats are very similar in both goals per game and assists per game to Alex DeBrincat. DeBrincat is a year younger and signed for less money. Is that not a fair comparison?

No because that was a horrendous trade for Chicago. Kyle Davidson won't be making many more if he keeps getting Fleeced like that.

Well that's your position. What actual similar trades can you drum up to support your position?

I will remind you that the trade I propose is 4 OA, not 7th. In a better draft class, and I have also added a B+ prospect.

I agree with you that the Hawks should have gotten more for DeBrincat. They should have gotten a package like the one I am offering here.

Ohh and Debrincat makes 800 k less and contract is done at end of the year big pay raise coming . Connor has 3 more years after this year eliminates the pay difference argument Connor will be cheaper. Debrincat was also playing with a sure fire first ballot HOFer

What trade in recent memory supports that value?

Tell me the last 40 goal scorer that got traded for fair value? Chevy is completely brain dead if he does these and deserves to be locked out his office and have his s*** shipped to him. Debrincat has a $9,000,000 QO decreasing his value

Both GMs seemed relatively satisfied with the DeBrincat trade.

Recent examples don't have a Top10 LW with term getting traded.

Recent examples don't have a Top10, maybe even Top5 goalie getting traded.

Recent examples don't have a Top4 RHDs in their prime with some term getting traded.

However, recent examples do have cap dumps like Hoffman and Armia getting traded. And they've cost a lot to dump.

For instance, in the Hellebuyck trade you've more or less added enough compensation for a team to take in Hoffman and Armia in Primeau+1st, but you haven't added anything of value for Hellebuyck.

Connor trade value likely exceeds that of Matthew Tkachuk's, given the circumstances around him. Connor has multiple years left and his performance was very even with Tkachuk last year. I'd argue Connor will cost more than Tkachuk did.

Savard was hot garbage last year, but given the lack of RHDs league wide I don't think teams consider him as a cap dump just yet. Still, the difference between him and Pionk is definitely bigger than two former low second round picks, with one of them having their stock dropping as we speak.

You know another recent trade that kind of supports my position more than yours is the Fiala trade.

They got a B+ prospect in Faber and a mid-late 1st for a 2 time 30 goal scorer an PPG player. Clearly Fiala is less good than Connor or DeBrincat but Fiala's value shows a similar trend to the valuation for DeBrincat and Connor that I've offered here.