Minnesota isn't trading their leader no matter what in Marcus foligno. Do people ever get tired of forcing Kerfoot on wild, my gosh. Minnesota declines. Kerfoot aline would cost a 1st to dump

Wild decline as Foligno is very valuable to their team.

I don't disagree that Foligno probably costs more considering his standing on the team and play-style, its the reason I really want him. However, saying Kerfoot would cost a first to dump is aggressive as hell.

IK he makes 3.5 but hes expiring after this year and dude is incredibly useful, I'm happy to keep him, he's just the roster piece that makes the most sense in terms of value, cap and position for this type of deal.

Fair enough, would a different prospect or a couple more picks change your mind?

It wouldn't be worth it for the Leafs. The cost would be way higher than anyone should ever pay for Foligno. I hate to even say it, but you're probably looking at Knies+ to start the conversation. Which, Leafs rightfully walk away from.

He can obviously be had for the right price, but his value is unique enough to MN where it would take a pretty bad overpay. Not someone worth targeting, IMO.

Depends on what the "+" is in Knies+ but I understand what you are saying. I would love to have Foligno for all the same reasons he is so valued in Minny.

Thank you for not coming for Kerf's throat as well he is a good player who gets too much ****

He’s definitely not “untouchable,” but it would need to be a drastic overpay. The Wild have been surviving buyout purgatory and have managed to stay afloat. Losing Kulikov and Fiala hurts.

Foligno is a leader on and off the ice, can be a 20-30 goal, and has the physical side. Him, Greenway, Ek are a scary line.

Keefoot and Holl (included him since most people revise the original deal to include him) make no sense as the Wild are competing and not in “flip” mode. They freed up cap space to help with Parise and Suter while giving flexibility to make a big move if need be.

I don’t know off the top of my head what a trade would look like, but I would imagine it would need to include an A prospect, and a decent pick to start.

Yeah it's hard to say what the + would be....like for me personally, it wouldn't necessarily need to be astronomical, because I'm pretty bullish on Knies and I don't see the Wild competing for at least 3 years. So I view Foligno as more of a "nice to have" but not a "need to have" at this point in our franchise...if that makes sense.

But I think Guerin/others may disagree. And that + would need to be pretty hefty.

Also, Kerfoot is a great player. I've actually proposed a trade for him in the past from the Wild's perspective. If our Parise/Suter buyouts weren't quite so heavy, I'd be more interested, but it's a little tough to make the money work in a practical way on our end. I do like him a lot though.

For what its worth, the reason I traded Kerf in the first place is his cap is ~about the same~ as Foligno's and he expires after this year. Meaning that, in addition to the assets you acquire for Foligno, you also get a guy to fill a middle/top 6 forward slot for a year and 3.5 Mill in space going forward after this year. Ik you'd have to then find someone to replace those minutes for equivalent or less money after this year but it seems like a helpful move for Minny's cap nonetheless.

I still think the Leafs and Hawks are up to something
Sandin+Knies+Kerfoot+1st to CHI
2024 2nd+Ott 2023 3rd to ANA
Kane@25% to Toronto

Yeah I think your framework is pretty good here. Like it's basically dollar-in-dollar-out for two cap tight teams, with futures to balance. And from just a raw value perspective, I don't think there's anything upsetting. I think an argument could be made that this is already an overpay for Foligno...at least on paper. It's all the intangibles that make it murky.

For the sake of discussion, if it was a '23 1st, Kerfoot and Knies, I'm snap accepting if I'm Wild GM. I'm not sure how other fans feel or what Guerin would think, but that's me. Assuming that's too much for Leafs, we could try and walk it backwards into something like 4th + Foligno, in exchange for '24 1st, Knies and Kerfoot....idk? Still probably too much for Leafs to stomach.

If we walk it back even more to like a 3rd + Foligno for Knies, Kerfoot and 24 1st, it's close for me. I'm not sure if I'd accept. My gut says yes, but I'd probably want to hear other opinions or do some more research. Edit - and it still may be too rich for Leafs, regardless.

I don't like Patrick Kane and so I would not be into this.

However, funny coincidence, I just went to twitter to see if their were any recent "Kane to Toronto" rumours, and I think I found your twitter account by accident while scrolling through my search

Anyway it will be interesting if it happens but we shall see.

I'm not really as into Knies as much of Leafs Nation seems to be so If that 2nd deal you said here (MF + 4th for Kerf, Knies, 24 1st) was offered I think I'd be really close to taking it.

I guess I am stuck to the idea of Kane and Marner playing together. I remember Kane with the Knights and how Marner was the next Kane. Imagine Kane-Matthews-Marner then Bunting-Tavares-Nylander or swap Kane and Bunting to have 2 legit 1st lines. Kane-Tavares-Nylander would be an amazing 2nd line.

I cannot deny that those lines would be absolutely amazing. Toronto would be appointment viewing if it isn't already for AM34.