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11 sept. 2022 à 19 h 59
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Oils add a 1st, Habs add a 5th
11 sept. 2022 à 20 h 19
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Oils add a 1st, Habs add a 5th

Nah, Puljujarvi's already the 1st Round Pick Consideration, most EDM would add is maybe a 3rd Round Pick or Olivier Rodrigue if need be:

Barrie > Edmundson
Puljujarvi (RFA) > Dadonov 50% retained
Armia 50% retained = Foegele
Evans > Shore
Wideman = Desharnais (Waivers Exempt)

It all balances out pretty close already imo
11 sept. 2022 à 20 h 56
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Nah, Puljujarvi's already the 1st Round Pick Consideration, most EDM would add is maybe a 3rd Round Pick or Olivier Rodrigue if need be:

Barrie > Edmundson
Puljujarvi (RFA) > Dadonov 50% retained
Armia 50% retained = Foegele
Evans > Shore
Wideman = Desharnais (Waivers Exempt)

It all balances out pretty close already imo

First of all the trade sucks to begin with…
But Edmundson is way better than Barrie. Barrie legitimately cannot play defense
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11 sept. 2022 à 21 h 1
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Nah, Puljujarvi's already the 1st Round Pick Consideration, most EDM would add is maybe a 3rd Round Pick or Olivier Rodrigue if need be:

Barrie > Edmundson
Puljujarvi (RFA) > Dadonov 50% retained
Armia 50% retained = Foegele
Evans > Shore
Wideman = Desharnais (Waivers Exempt)

It all balances out pretty close already imo


LMAO, that's a good one!! Barrie > Edmundson ROFLMAO!!!

Also I am confused, when did Poolparty ever score more than 20 goals?! Right he never has. He certainly has the potential to be better but so far he is coming up well short. Basically he is another Trevor Lewis or Joel Armia so far, big body plays well enough defensively but is never quite there offensively.
11 sept. 2022 à 21 h 13
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Modifié 12 sept. 2022 à 0 h 9 par F50marco
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First of all the trade sucks to begin with…
But Edmundson is way better than Barrie. Barrie legitimately cannot play defense



Barrie's an Offensive D-Man and Edmundson's a Big Physical Shut Down D-Man.... Ones paid to score which he does extremely well and the other is to shut down the other team, which he does, but only when he's healthy, which I don't believe he's ever completed an entire season!? Weidman's just a throw in, but the Oilers would do just as good, if not better keeping Desharnais and playing him at 3RD. Only advantage Weidman has is NHL experience, otherwise he doesn't defend too well either. I'd rather have Edmundson over Savard though who can't Score or Defend; Savard's just a Big Old Pylon now
11 sept. 2022 à 21 h 27
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LMAO, that's a good one!! Barrie > Edmundson ROFLMAO!!!

Also I am confused, when did Poolparty ever score more than 20 goals?! Right he never has. He certainly has the potential to be better but so far he is coming up well short. Basically he is another Trevor Lewis or Joel Armia so far, big body plays well enough defensively but is never quite there offensively.

Barrie's a $7mil/yr Defensemen on a Team Friendly $4.5mil/yr contract. You need to Score to Win and Barrie brings that to a Team

In the past 2 Seasons Puljujarvi has Scored 29 Goals in 120GP the past 2 Seasons = 0.242Goals Per Game x 82GP = 20 Goals... He's Better at Scoring than Josh Anderson, Much Better Defensively and at almost 1/2 the Cap Hit, Puljujarvi will put up 20+ Goals and 60+ Points next season

Big difference in Ice Time and Skilled Linemates when you're Playing 3rd & 4th Line Minutes vs. on Lines 1&2 and on the #1 PP Unit. McDavid, Kane & Draisaitl are puck hogs and the play in EDM no matter what is to always get the puck to them every time. Armia has given up playing in MTL (really don't blame him), let him go somewhere where he can succeed as well
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11 sept. 2022 à 21 h 31
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Habs don't touch this. Edmundson will get a Chiarot like return in a trade (he's better than Chiarot and has term). Evans isn't getting moved unless for an overpay (which this isn't).

Poolparty may have the most potential in this deal but in two years with McDavid/Drai as his center, he has underperformed offensively.
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11 sept. 2022 à 21 h 46
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Quoting: stephane_robidas
Habs don't touch this. Edmundson will get a Chiarot like return in a trade (he's better than Chiarot and has term). Evans isn't getting moved unless for an overpay (which this isn't).

Poolparty may have the most potential in this deal but in two years with McDavid/Drai as his center, he has underperformed offensively.

It's just like playing during elementary recess in EDM I tell ya, McDavid & Draisaitl are puck hogs and play favorites; they avoid passing to certain players.

Puljujarvi earned most of his goals on his own. He's not a good fit in EDM

Barrie's Better and Cheaper than Petry. My understanding is MTL isn't concerned about winning anyways, but rather developing their Talent and Barrie would be the Best D-Man to Mentor MTL's Young Defenders to be Power Play QB's, including Matheson
11 sept. 2022 à 21 h 48
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It's just like playing during elementary recess in EDM I tell ya, McDavid & Draisaitl are puck hogs and play favorites; they avoid passing to certain players.

Puljujarvi earned most of his goals on his own. He's not a good fit in EDM

Barrie's Better and Cheaper than Petry. My understanding is MTL isn't concerned about winning anyways, but rather developing their Talent and Barrie would be the Best D-Man to Mentor MTL's Young Defenders to be Power Play QB's, including Matheson


That's fine, but picks need to come Montreal's way.
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That's fine, but picks need to come Montreal's way.

You would prefer Picks over Developing guys like Raphael Lavoie or Vincent Desharnais? Puljujarvi & Lavoie would both quickly make Josh Anderson (who'll generate far more valuable picks than Edmundson will) expendable

Don't get me wrong, Picks are Great, but take years to Develop with No Guarantee, whereas you have more to go by with Prospects. Also, if you have too many Picks/Prospects but not enough room to Play and Develop them properly, they can more easily be overlooked and wasted
11 sept. 2022 à 23 h 26
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Habs are not even remotely interested in a SINGLE piece you want to send them, one of the most one sided without any regard to the other team type of trades on this website
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12 sept. 2022 à 0 h 13
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Habs are not even remotely interested in a SINGLE piece you want to send them, one of the most one sided without any regard to the other team type of trades on this website

Lol okay, whatever buddy 😂

At least my posts are cap compliant, yours are:

Central Registry Determination: This trade has been rejected because the upper limit has been exceeded by one of the trade parties
12 sept. 2022 à 0 h 13
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Barrie's a $7mil/yr Defensemen on a Team Friendly $4.5mil/yr contract. You need to Score to Win and Barrie brings that to a Team

In the past 2 Seasons Puljujarvi has Scored 29 Goals in 120GP the past 2 Seasons = 0.242Goals Per Game x 82GP = 20 Goals... He's Better at Scoring than Josh Anderson, Much Better Defensively and at almost 1/2 the Cap Hit, Puljujarvi will put up 20+ Goals and 60+ Points next season

Big difference in Ice Time and Skilled Linemates when you're Playing 3rd & 4th Line Minutes vs. on Lines 1&2 and on the #1 PP Unit. McDavid, Kane & Draisaitl are puck hogs and the play in EDM no matter what is to always get the puck to them every time. Armia has given up playing in MTL (really don't blame him), let him go somewhere where he can succeed as well


🤣 🤣 🤣 If Barrie is a 7 mil per year D man, why can't the Oilers give him away?! Rhetorical question, it's ok we all know the answer. It's cause he sucks, Barrie scored 41 points this past season playing on one of the most potent PP's in the league with 2 of the leagues top 5 players. To put that into perspective for you Wideman put up 27 points on the worst team in the league and one of the worst PP's in the league. That is a 14 point difference, if Barrie is a 7 mil D man and Wideman is a throw away then Barrie should have been able to score at least 20 more points than Wideman but he couldn't not even on one of the best teams with 2 of the best players!!! That should tell you all you need to know about Barrie my friend!
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12 sept. 2022 à 0 h 19
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BTW when 5 Habs fans tell you this is bad from the Habs perspective and 0 Oilers fans are arguing, that is a hint at just how bad this is for the Habs!!!
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BTW when 5 Habs fans tell you this is bad from the Habs perspective and 0 Oilers fans are arguing, that is a hint at just how bad this is for the Habs!!!

You’re just being a troll. Proposal has only been up a few hours. You’re over valuing MTL’s Players and undervaluing EDM’s, especially Barrie who is a PLUS +/- with the Oilers. Might MTL want a couple late picks for retaining? Sure. Otherwise it’s a fair value trade for MTL to get a former 4th Overall Pick & Good RW RFA, a Top Scoring RD, a Big Quebecois RD Prospect and Cheaper Bottom-6 Depth
12 sept. 2022 à 5 h 20
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You’re just being a troll. Proposal has only been up a few hours. You’re over valuing MTL’s Players and undervaluing EDM’s, especially Barrie who is a PLUS +/- with the Oilers. Might MTL want a couple late picks for retaining? Sure. Otherwise it’s a fair value trade for MTL to get a former 4th Overall Pick & Good RW RFA, a Top Scoring RD, a Big Quebecois RD Prospect and Cheaper Bottom-6 Depth


How is pointing out that 5 Montreal fans are arguing that the deal sucks for the Habs and 0 Edmonton fans are contradicting them trolling?! If anyone is trolling here it's you, you have been told by 5 different Habs fans (literally everyone who has commented on this thread) but you still don't get the point or just choose to ignore it. MONTREAL PASSES thanks but no thanks, now move on!
12 sept. 2022 à 13 h 57
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How is pointing out that 5 Montreal fans are arguing that the deal sucks for the Habs and 0 Edmonton fans are contradicting them trolling?! If anyone is trolling here it's you, you have been told by 5 different Habs fans (literally everyone who has commented on this thread) but you still don't get the point or just choose to ignore it. MONTREAL PASSES thanks but no thanks, now move on!

It's my thread buddy. If you don't like it, change the channel and move on yourself. Who really cares what a handful of Habs fans think

Edmundson was given to MTL for a 5th RD Pick. Goes to show you he's nothing special and not worth a lot; certainly not as valuable as Barrie, especially since you can't count on him going down with injury
Dadonov was dumped on you in exchange for a LTIR Player who won't ever play again. He's inconsistent and at 33 with a $5mil Cap Hit, Teams don't want him. To flip him 50% retained for a 1st Round Prospect trending upwards should be an absolute no brainer
Armia is a shell of his former self playing for MTL the past 2 seasons, what have you guys done to him? You've turned him in to a Cap Dump with negative value. MTL would be so lucky EDM would be willing to take him in exchange for a Younger Better Producing Bottom-6 Forward in Foegele, but they're not doing it at his full $3.4mil/yr Cap Hit, especially for 3 years
Evans finally had 1 Good Season due to opportunities provided to him as a result of injury, otherwise he's a 0.25PPG 4th Line Player. He's good value, but nothing special and is only taking up a spot from one of the young guys to get in and develop
Wideman is a Fringe NHL'er who's only had 1 Good Season as well. He's undersized and at 32 only Captain Suzuki is worse Defensively. He too is taking up a spot that should be used for either developing another Young D-Man OR bringing in a Star RD Veteran who can Mentor their young guys on the Power Play

I could have handled "MTL would want picks/prospects for retaining that amount" but acting as if I'm poaching MTL's Top Players & Assets for garbage or that these guys are any better than EDM's is absolutely ridiculous and laughable. If they're so good, go ahead and keep them. Making it to the Cup Finals was an absolute fluke and all the Veterans who helped you get there are all either gone, on LTIR & will never play again or are simply shells of their former selves. Patrick Roy cursed the Canadiens when he walked out the door and left. Playing for last place is completely unethical and an absolute embarrassment, insult & stain on MTL's Legacy. Shame on the Canadiens and Shame on you guys for drinking the "our guys are all great individually, they just play on a crappy team" kool-aid
12 sept. 2022 à 15 h 21
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It's my thread buddy. If you don't like it, change the channel and move on yourself. Who really cares what a handful of Habs fans think

Edmundson was given to MTL for a 5th RD Pick. Goes to show you he's nothing special and not worth a lot; certainly not as valuable as Barrie, especially since you can't count on him going down with injury
Dadonov was dumped on you in exchange for a LTIR Player who won't ever play again. He's inconsistent and at 33 with a $5mil Cap Hit, Teams don't want him. To flip him 50% retained for a 1st Round Prospect trending upwards should be an absolute no brainer
Armia is a shell of his former self playing for MTL the past 2 seasons, what have you guys done to him? You've turned him in to a Cap Dump with negative value. MTL would be so lucky EDM would be willing to take him in exchange for a Younger Better Producing Bottom-6 Forward in Foegele, but they're not doing it at his full $3.4mil/yr Cap Hit, especially for 3 years
Evans finally had 1 Good Season due to opportunities provided to him as a result of injury, otherwise he's a 0.25PPG 4th Line Player. He's good value, but nothing special and is only taking up a spot from one of the young guys to get in and develop
Wideman is a Fringe NHL'er who's only had 1 Good Season as well. He's undersized and at 32 only Captain Suzuki is worse Defensively. He too is taking up a spot that should be used for either developing another Young D-Man OR bringing in a Star RD Veteran who can Mentor their young guys on the Power Play

I could have handled "MTL would want picks/prospects for retaining that amount" but acting as if I'm poaching MTL's Top Players & Assets for garbage or that these guys are any better than EDM's is absolutely ridiculous and laughable. If they're so good, go ahead and keep them. Making it to the Cup Finals was an absolute fluke and all the Veterans who helped you get there are all either gone, on LTIR & will never play again or are simply shells of their former selves. Patrick Roy cursed the Canadiens when he walked out the door and left. Playing for last place is completely unethical and an absolute embarrassment, insult & stain on MTL's Legacy. Shame on the Canadiens and Shame on you guys for drinking the "our guys are all great individually, they just play on a crappy team" kool-aid


LMAO, Edmonson wasn't traded for a 5th, his UFA rights were traded for a 4th! Do you not understand the difference? Negotiating rights do not guarntee the player will sign with his new team just that that team gets the chance to negotiate a new contract before FA starts. That is why the rights are so cheap to acquire!

2. If Barrie is soooooo much better than Edmundson why are you even trading them for each other? It is the same reason that no Oilers fans have commented on Montreal fan's posts that Edmundson is better and that is because like you, they know Habs fans are right in this case.

3. Puljujarvi is good and still young but he is no longer worth a 1st and is also no longer a prospect at 24 years old. He is another Armia, Lewis and boardering on Galchenyuk type of player, who would be taking a roster spot from guys like Roy, Farrell, Mesar, Ylonen and Harvey-Pinard. He has value just not what you think he does. Also Dadonov retained should at minimum return a 2nd (possibly a 1st +3rd if we get lucky) providing he has a strong bounce back year.

4. Now I know you are either drunk or trolling to suggest that Foegele is better LMAO! Here is how bad Oiler fans want to trade Foegele (see link https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/3638164) Montreal on the other hand does not need to move Armia and can wait for a deal they like.

5. LMAO, you are a regular comedian!!! How many "good seasons" do you expect a 4th line center with 2 years of NHL experience to have? LMAO!!!

6. Love how you gloss over the fact that Wideman and Barrie were separated by 14 points this year on teams at opposite ends of the spectrum. Edmonton had one of the top PP's in the league and 2 of the top 5 players while Montreal had one of the worst PP's in the league and not even a top 30 player. That makes Barrie infinitely better than Wideman huh!? Rhetorical question, everyone on here knows that you are trolling at this point!

7. If you don't like our responses, how about actually taking some time to consider what we have said to you and learning from this instead of being a jerk and ragging on us cause we point out how bad your thread was.
12 sept. 2022 à 15 h 40
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LMAO, Edmonson wasn't traded for a 5th, his UFA rights were traded for a 4th! Do you not understand the difference? Negotiating rights do not guarntee the player will sign with his new team just that that team gets the chance to negotiate a new contract before FA starts. That is why the rights are so cheap to acquire!

Quit making things up, it was a 5th RD Pick. EDM needs a Big Stay at Home Shut Down Penalty Killing Defensemen more than 2 Offensive Right Shot RD's in Bouchard and Barrie; Bouchard's emergence made Barrie Expendable and EDM needs Cap Space, so they're looking to move Foegele, Puljujarvi and/or Barrie for More Size & Physicality at a Cheaper cost, it's really quite simple & obvious actually

I appreciate responses, perspectives and knowledge, but I'm simply mirroring the tone from your guys' posts, maybe take some time to consider that. All I'm learning here is Habs fans absolutely love their Current Players & Team which absolutely sucks, so keep them all and just keep on sucking there guys. Now, go ahead and tell me where & how I'm wrong that the Montreal Canadiens are absolutely terrible and simply suck all around.

Maybe talk to me in 5 years, when all your top prospects are no longer worth much and we'll be saying they Puljujarvi'd themselves
13 sept. 2022 à 15 h 2
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Barrie's an Offensive D-Man and Edmundson's a Big Physical Shut Down D-Man.... Ones paid to score which he does extremely well and the other is to shut down the other team, which he does, but only when he's healthy, which I don't believe he's ever completed an entire season!? Weidman's just a throw in, but the Oilers would do just as good, if not better keeping Desharnais and playing him at 3RD. Only advantage Weidman has is NHL experience, otherwise he doesn't defend too well either. I'd rather have Edmundson over Savard though who can't Score or Defend; Savard's just a Big Old Pylon now


Edmundson has played 65-70 games every year and almost 100% of games in the 2 shortened seasons. And as for last year, most of those missed games was because it was for family reasons

I’d hardly say there are injury concerns with him
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Edmundson has played 65-70 games every year and almost 100% of games in the 2 shortened seasons. And as for last year, most of those missed games was because it was for family reasons

I’d hardly say there are injury concerns with him

That still leaves your Team short 15-20% of the time and 70% of the time last season. Definitely not ideal
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Barrie's an Offensive D-Man and Edmundson's a Big Physical Shut Down D-Man.... Ones paid to score which he does extremely well and the other is to shut down the other team, which he does, but only when he's healthy, which I don't believe he's ever completed an entire season!? Weidman's just a throw in, but the Oilers would do just as good, if not better keeping Desharnais and playing him at 3RD. Only advantage Weidman has is NHL experience, otherwise he doesn't defend too well either. I'd rather have Edmundson over Savard though who can't Score or Defend; Savard's just a Big Old Pylon now


The only reason Edmundson missed most of last season, was due to his father being sick. He returned to the team a few weeks after his dad passed away... so your whole "when he's healthy" part doesn't hold up.
Habs expectations of Edmundson's value, if they make him available, will be high. He's a better version of Chiarot (bigger, and a far better skater, and more defensively responsible). He's also signed to a reasonable contract with 2 years left on it. Also, even if the Habs are rebuilding, Edmundson is the perfect veteran to insulate the young dmen coming up (Guhle, Harris, Barron, etc.). So he's extremely needed, at least this year.

So with Barrie being an expendable piece (that EDM would like to shed to clear cap), and Edmundson still an essential piece for MTL, it's really not even close.


As for the deal as a whole, I've completed given up on Poolparty. He's an offensive black hole. He's played right next to Mcdavid and Draisaitl for the better part of 2 years and can only put up 3rd line numbers (Then Kane steps in and shows what it's like to be successful playing with those guys). Put Poolparty with lesser players (as in MTL), and he'll be no better than Armia... not interested.
I'd rather see what MTL can get for Dadonov on his own. Evans is worth more then all the other assets being sent back. I agree that Widemen is a throw in.

No deal.
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The only reason Edmundson missed most of last season, was due to his father being sick. He returned to the team a few weeks after his dad passed away... so your whole "when he's healthy" part doesn't hold up.
Habs expectations of Edmundson's value, if they make him available, will be high. He's a better version of Chiarot (bigger, and a far better skater, and more defensively responsible). He's also signed to a reasonable contract with 2 years left on it. Also, even if the Habs are rebuilding, Edmundson is the perfect veteran to insulate the young dmen coming up (Guhle, Harris, Barron, etc.). So he's extremely needed, at least this year.

So with Barrie being an expendable piece (that EDM would like to shed to clear cap), and Edmundson still an essential piece for MTL, it's really not even close.


As for the deal as a whole, I've completed given up on Poolparty. He's an offensive black hole. He's played right next to Mcdavid and Draisaitl for the better part of 2 years and can only put up 3rd line numbers (Then Kane steps in and shows what it's like to be successful playing with those guys). Put Poolparty with lesser players (as in MTL), and he'll be no better than Armia... not interested.
I'd rather see what MTL can get for Dadonov on his own. Evans is worth more then all the other assets being sent back. I agree that Widemen is a throw in.

No deal.

All Good. I appreciate your thoughts, perspective & input. Only time will tell what happens with "Pool Party", Barrie and Edmundson. Take Care!
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That still leaves your Team short 15-20% of the time and 70% of the time last season. Definitely not ideal


Ok but last year I would say that’s not injury related. It was personal reasons, his dad was passing away so he missed a bunch of time because of that

And 70 games is pretty standard. I’d definitely say that’s above the number of games that would label someone as injury prone
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Ok but last year I would say that’s not injury related. It was personal reasons, his dad was passing away so he missed a bunch of time because of that

And 70 games is pretty standard. I’d definitely say that’s above the number of games that would label someone as injury prone

I'm not retracting my opinion that he's injury prone. It makes complete sense given his playing style. Last year he was dealing with Back Problems and lots of guys who go all the way to finals don't get enough time to rest & heal so are more susceptible to getting injured again the next season after going all out in the playoffs. Blake Coleman had a slow start for us too, likely as a result of not getting the entire summer off as a break, but I'm sure winning the cup made it all worth it for him
 
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