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PLEASE just get rid of barrie

Créé par: BouchBomb
Équipe: 2022-23 Oilers d'Edmonton
Date de création initiale: 2 sept. 2022
Publié: 3 sept. 2022
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
RFAANSCAP HIT
21 175 000 $
UFAANSCAP HIT
1750 000 $
Transactions
1.
CHI
  1. Foegele, Warren
  2. Choix de 4e ronde en 2025 (EDM)
2.
EDM
  1. Hoffman, Mike (1 250 000 $ retained)
  2. Wideman, Chris
  3. Choix de 7e ronde en 2024 (MTL)
MTL
  1. Barrie, Tyson
  2. Desharnais, Vincent
  3. Koekkoek, Slater
  4. Choix de 3e ronde en 2023 (EDM)
Détails additionnels:
*If Edmonton makes it to the SCF and Hoffman scores more than 9 Goals in the playoffs MTL also receives our 2023 and 2024 6th round picks
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2025
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UFA - 4
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UFA - 1
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1 250 000 $1 250 000 $
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UFA - 1
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850 000 $850 000 $
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UFA - 1
750 000 $750 000 $
AD
UFA - 1
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9 250 000 $9 250 000 $
DG
NMC
UFA - 8
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3 250 000 $3 250 000 $
DD
UFA - 3
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5 000 000 $5 000 000 $
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M-NTC
UFA - 5
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2 750 000 $2 750 000 $
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UFA - 4
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863 333 $863 333 $ (Bonis de performance850 000 $$850K)
DD
RFA - 1
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750 000 $750 000 $
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DG
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762 500 $762 500 $
DD
UFA - 2
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750 000 $750 000 $
DG
UFA - 1
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4 167 000 $4 167 000 $
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M-NTC
UFA - 1
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3 sept. 2022 à 15 h 12
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MTL don’t even consider
We won’t retain on Hoffman
We like Wideman
We have no room for Koekkoek and Desharnais
The only trade possible for Barrie is Hoffman vs Barrie straight up
3 sept. 2022 à 15 h 32
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mike hoffman is a 30-40 point guy at this stage of his career why the hell would Edmonton trade barrie who is a great pp quarter back and a good puckmoving dman for a 32 year old middle six winger who has a terrible contract who if he isnt putting up points he is doing nothing out there
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3 sept. 2022 à 17 h 19
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Quoting: TheRealisticGuy
MTL don’t even consider
We won’t retain on Hoffman
We like Wideman
We have no room for Koekkoek and Desharnais
The only trade possible for Barrie is Hoffman vs Barrie straight up


Habs fans may turn their noses up at the suggestion Tyson Barrie might be a valuable addition to their favorite team; that's fair, we are all entitled to have an opinion.

I take some issue with your valuation of Barrie and Hoffman though, it seems to be a bit off. I appreciate that the Habs cap issues are similar to Edmonton's, so it makes sense that you'd want to see an equal exchange of salaries, but Hoffman is a one-dimensional forward on the decline, much closer to a pure cap dump than Barrie is. Barrie is an offensive RD, he's not a strong defender but he continues to deliver near-elite level performance as a power play quarterback and is better than average in support of the transition game; he still offers good value. Don't believe me? Have a close look at the numbers John Klingberg has posted over his career and compare them to Tyson Barrie's. Klingberg just signed a 1-year, $7M contract with the Ducks, Barrie's AAV is $4.5M for each of the next two seasons. As an Oiler fan, I'd be happy with a swap of Barrie and Savard. Why? Because the only reasons Tyson Barrie is discussed as a trade option is because Evan Bouchard looks like he's also an elite PP QB, and the Oilers have some cap issues. Still, I appreciate that such a trade isn't going to receive support from Habs fans.

I don't know that the Canadiens are interested in Barrie, but if they are, and if salaries exchanged need to be balanced, then Montreal will either have to package a couple of less costly players, or perhaps send a lower AAV with a slightly longer term. In either case, those players would have to be capable of providing Edmonton with effective depth within the bottom six forwards.
3 sept. 2022 à 17 h 49
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Habs fans may turn their noses up at the suggestion Tyson Barrie might be a valuable addition to their favorite team; that's fair, we are all entitled to have an opinion.

I take some issue with your valuation of Barrie and Hoffman though, it seems to be a bit off. I appreciate that the Habs cap issues are similar to Edmonton's, so it makes sense that you'd want to see an equal exchange of salaries, but Hoffman is a one-dimensional forward on the decline, much closer to a pure cap dump than Barrie is. Barrie is an offensive RD, he's not a strong defender but he continues to deliver near-elite level performance as a power play quarterback and is better than average in support of the transition game; he still offers good value. Don't believe me? Have a close look at the numbers John Klingberg has posted over his career and compare them to Tyson Barrie's. Klingberg just signed a 1-year, $7M contract with the Ducks, Barrie's AAV is $4.5M for each of the next two seasons. As an Oiler fan, I'd be happy with a swap of Barrie and Savard. Why? Because the only reasons Tyson Barrie is discussed as a trade option is because Evan Bouchard looks like he's also an elite PP QB, and the Oilers have some cap issues. Still, I appreciate that such a trade isn't going to receive support from Habs fans.

I don't know that the Canadiens are interested in Barrie, but if they are, and if salaries exchanged need to be balanced, then Montreal will either have to package a couple of less costly players, or perhaps send a lower AAV with a slightly longer term. In either case, those players would have to be capable of providing Edmonton with effective depth within the bottom six forwards.


Barrie and Wideman are the same players
One is playing with a top 3 PP
The other with the 2nd worse PP in the league
MTL PP problem is they can’t do a good zone entry
Wideman is doing a great job when we have possession
I would take Barrie only because he can’t defend and would cost us goals. In my eyes he’s an asset to help the tank, not to help a team. Same for Hoffman, yes he can score goals but he can’t play defense.
So since you value Barrie positively and I understand why you want to trade him (to make room for a stay at home dman).
MTL just isn’t a good trade partner
3 sept. 2022 à 19 h 36
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Quoting: uphere
Habs fans may turn their noses up at the suggestion Tyson Barrie might be a valuable addition to their favorite team; that's fair, we are all entitled to have an opinion.

I take some issue with your valuation of Barrie and Hoffman though, it seems to be a bit off. I appreciate that the Habs cap issues are similar to Edmonton's, so it makes sense that you'd want to see an equal exchange of salaries, but Hoffman is a one-dimensional forward on the decline, much closer to a pure cap dump than Barrie is. Barrie is an offensive RD, he's not a strong defender but he continues to deliver near-elite level performance as a power play quarterback and is better than average in support of the transition game; he still offers good value. Don't believe me? Have a close look at the numbers John Klingberg has posted over his career and compare them to Tyson Barrie's. Klingberg just signed a 1-year, $7M contract with the Ducks, Barrie's AAV is $4.5M for each of the next two seasons. As an Oiler fan, I'd be happy with a swap of Barrie and Savard. Why? Because the only reasons Tyson Barrie is discussed as a trade option is because Evan Bouchard looks like he's also an elite PP QB, and the Oilers have some cap issues. Still, I appreciate that such a trade isn't going to receive support from Habs fans.

I don't know that the Canadiens are interested in Barrie, but if they are, and if salaries exchanged need to be balanced, then Montreal will either have to package a couple of less costly players, or perhaps send a lower AAV with a slightly longer term. In either case, those players would have to be capable of providing Edmonton with effective depth within the bottom six forwards.


Savard is done. That's a terrible move.
3 sept. 2022 à 19 h 37
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Two really bad trades and signing an old, slow guy that Edmonton already walked away from... yeah, we can safely ignore your opinion on Tyson Barrie.
 
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