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SJ Rebuild - Bedard

Créé par: Mr_Gardoki
Date de création initiale: 31 août 2022
Publié: 31 août 2022
Équipe: 2022-23 Sharks de San Jose
Explications
I've discussed what SJ should do with a few SJ fans on here. Some pleasant conversations, some not pleasant lol

Some of these trades are more for the gist of what I think SJ could pull off in a trade, so maybe the team isn't an exact match, but something along these lines.

As an outsider who is indifferent towards this team, I believe they should be going into a full rebuild and this AGM is the beginning of that and increasing the likelihood of getting Bedard.

Couture is a tricky one. He's still obviously good, but his age, term and hit likely makes him a target for other aging contenders who have little room to work with. ZUCKER IS A SALARY MOVE! There's no commitment past this season, you're looking at Bedard, and SJ may even be able to get a little something for him at the deadline.

This is under the guise that all players moved accept their NTC.
Transactions
1.
SJS
  1. Blomqvist, Joel [Liste de réserve]
  2. O'Connor, Drew
  3. Zucker, Jason
  4. Poulin, Samuel
  5. 2023 1e round pick (PIT)
  6. 2024 2e round pick (PIT)
Détails additionnels:
Specific Prospects are completely negotiable if there are more preferential ones.
Zucker is for salary purposes and is a UFA after this year so there's no commitment.
PIT
  1. Couture, Logan (3 000 000 $ retained)
2.
SJS
  1. Kakko, Kaapo
  2. Jones, Zachary
  3. 2023 1e round pick (NYR)
NYR
  1. Meier, Timo (3 000 000 $ retained)
3.
SJS
  1. Johnston, Wyatt
  2. Faksa, Radek
  3. Grushnikov, Artem
  4. Lindell, Esa
  5. 2023 1e round pick (DAL)
  6. 2023 2e round pick (DAL)
Détails additionnels:
Lindell and Faksa are money moves to make room.
DAL
  1. Hertl, Tomas
  2. 2024 3e round pick (SJS)
Rachats de contrats
  • Martin Jones: 2 416 667 $
  • Rūdolfs Balcers: 8 334 $
Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire
  • Logan Couture: 3 000 000 $ (37.5%)
  • Timo Meier: 3 000 000 $ (50%)
  • Brent Burns: 2 720 000 $ (34%)
ANNÉE DE REPÊCHAGERONDE 1RONDE 2RONDE 3RONDE 4RONDE 5RONDE 6RONDE 7
2023
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2024
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2025
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TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2382 500 000 $82 125 001 $0 $332 500 $374 999 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
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Lindblom, Oskar
2 500 000 $
AG
UFA - 2
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Faksa, Radek
3 250 000 $
AG, C
NTC
UFA - 3
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Kunin, Luke
2 750 000 $
AD, C
RFA - 2
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Zucker, Jason
5 500 000 $
AG, AD
NTC
UFA - 1
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Bonino, Nick
2 050 000 $
C, AG
NTC
UFA - 1
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Barabanov, Alexander
2 500 000 $
AD, AG
NTC
UFA - 2
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Gregor, Noah
950 000 $
AG, AD
RFA - 1
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Sturm, Nico
2 000 000 $
C
UFA - 3
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Kakko, Kaapo
2 100 000 $
AD
RFA - 2
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Nieto, Matt
850 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 1
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Reedy, Scott
842 500 $
C
RFA - 1
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Lorentz, Steven
1 050 000 $
AG, AD, C
UFA - 2
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Gadjovich, Jonah
750 000 $
AG, AD
RFA - 1
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
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Lindell, Esa
5 800 000 $
DG
NMC
UFA - 3
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Karlsson, Erik
11 500 000 $
DD
NMC
UFA - 5
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Kähkönen, Kaapo
2 750 000 $
G
UFA - 2
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Vlasic, Marc-Édouard
7 000 000 $
DG/DD
NMC
UFA - 4
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Benning, Matthew
1 250 000 $
DD
UFA - 4
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Reimer, James
2 250 000 $
G
NTC
UFA - 1
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Ferraro, Mario
3 250 000 $
DG
UFA - 4
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Nutivaara, Markus
1 500 000 $
DG/DD
UFA - 1
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Megna, Jaycob
762 500 $
DG
UFA - 2
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Simek, Radim
2 250 000 $
DG/DD
UFA - 2
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
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Labanc, Kevin
4 725 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 2
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Knyzhov, Nikolai
850 000 $
DG/DD
RFA - 1

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31 août à 14 h 15
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don't think any deals save for Meier deal would be accepted by other clubs.
dealing Meier with Burns already gone almost locks us as top 3 pick and i want Adam Fantilli over Bedard anyways.
We need a big power forward over another smaller skilled C even if he will be a top 5 guy in the league.
I know i am in a very small Minority with that comment but i feel very strongly that Fantilli would be perfect for us to pair Eklund with.
31 août à 14 h 34
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Quoting: Rob32sjsharks
don't think any deals save for Meier deal would be accepted by other clubs.
dealing Meier with Burns already gone almost locks us as top 3 pick and i want Adam Fantilli over Bedard anyways.
We need a big power forward over another smaller skilled C even if he will be a top 5 guy in the league.
I know i am in a very small Minority with that comment but i feel very strongly that Fantilli would be perfect for us to pair Eklund with.


"I want Adam Fantilli over Bedard anyway" If you're drafting 1st or 2nd overall, you take the best player available. Fantilli looks like he's gonna be a star, but not at the level of Beadard/Michkov. Passing them up is shooting yourselves in the foot. If you're in a rebuild and want to be good in the future, you need the best player available, especially with a pick that high.

Also, Penguins decline.
31 août à 14 h 40
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Lindell is over paid, but he’s a big part of the blue line. And you’re adding Grush who would be the first prospect available to replace him. I don’t hate the trade, but I think it takes away from a back end that already lost Klinger (tho to be fair is likely better 5v5 without him)
31 août à 14 h 48
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Quoting: Haymaker26
"I want Adam Fantilli over Bedard anyway" If you're drafting 1st or 2nd overall, you take the best player available. Fantilli looks like he's gonna be a star, but not at the level of Beadard/Michkov. Passing them up is shooting yourselves in the foot. If you're in a rebuild and want to be good in the future, you need the best player available, especially with a pick that high.

Also, Penguins decline.


I said everyone but the Meier deal Declines.

Yes you take the best player available.. within reason! if the best player available is a RD and you are stacked on the position you opt for the 2nd best that fill a weakness.
Robins, Bordeleau, Gushin, and Eklund are all skilled forwards with top 6 potential.... but all are under 6' and on the smaller side. Adding Michkov or Bedard further exasperates this where Fantilli gives you a power forward unseen in the draft int he last 10 years. and the drop from those 2 to Fantilli is minor enough that it isn't a drastic fall. I highly doubt we get 1st OA so really its between Michkov who is 5'9 and who we don't even get to see in SJ til 26 because of his KHL contract, or Fantilli who could be in our lineup as early as 23/24. and even if we got 1OA what kind of deal could we get to trade that 1st OA for say the 2nd or 3OA? another 1st or high 2nd and Adam Fantilli! even that sound appealing to me.
31 août à 15 h 6
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I’m all for San Jose winning trades but almost all of these are very much in favor or San Jose.
31 août à 15 h 49
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Quoting: Rob32sjsharks
I said everyone but the Meier deal Declines.

Yes you take the best player available.. within reason! if the best player available is a RD and you are stacked on the position you opt for the 2nd best that fill a weakness.
Robins, Bordeleau, Gushin, and Eklund are all skilled forwards with top 6 potential.... but all are under 6' and on the smaller side. Adding Michkov or Bedard further exasperates this where Fantilli gives you a power forward unseen in the draft int he last 10 years. and the drop from those 2 to Fantilli is minor enough that it isn't a drastic fall. I highly doubt we get 1st OA so really its between Michkov who is 5'9 and who we don't even get to see in SJ til 26 because of his KHL contract, or Fantilli who could be in our lineup as early as 23/24. and even if we got 1OA what kind of deal could we get to trade that 1st OA for say the 2nd or 3OA? another 1st or high 2nd and Adam Fantilli! even that sound appealing to me.


The only prospect in the Sharks system anywhere near the level of even Fantilli is Eklund. One of them can be shipped off in exchange for help elsehwere, instead. Look at NJ, trading Ty Smith after drafting Nemec. Being stacked in prospects at any position is a moot point because the Sharks have been good enough to compete for a while. They don't really have an excess anywhere.
As for Michkov's KHL contract, I don't think it's much of an issue for San Jose. They have new coach and GM that don't have much in the way of expectations, and they aren't very far into a rebuild - I'd argue they aren't willing to tear it down yet. If they're going to go through a full rebuild, it's going to take a while to draft and develop a future core. Fantilli could be ready by 23/24, but will the Sharks be ready for him by then?
It might come down to whether they want to go for a rebuild or a retool. If it's a retool, Fantilli might be a better option to start competing again immediately. If it's a full rebuild, Michkov has the higher ceiling, and will arrive just in time for some of the other high Sharks picks between now and then to develop. And considering this particular ACGM is selling off Couture, Meier, and Hertl, it's taking the full rebuild option - an option that I think is the best choice for the Sharks.
31 août à 15 h 58
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Quoting: Haymaker26
The only prospect in the Sharks system anywhere near the level of even Fantilli is Eklund. One of them can be shipped off in exchange for help elsehwere, instead. Look at NJ, trading Ty Smith after drafting Nemec. Being stacked in prospects at any position is a moot point because the Sharks have been good enough to compete for a while. They don't really have an excess anywhere.
As for Michkov's KHL contract, I don't think it's much of an issue for San Jose. They have new coach and GM that don't have much in the way of expectations, and they aren't very far into a rebuild - I'd argue they aren't willing to tear it down yet. If they're going to go through a full rebuild, it's going to take a while to draft and develop a future core. Fantilli could be ready by 23/24, but will the Sharks be ready for him by then?
It might come down to whether they want to go for a rebuild or a retool. If it's a retool, Fantilli might be a better option to start competing again immediately. If it's a full rebuild, Michkov has the higher ceiling, and will arrive just in time for some of the other high Sharks picks between now and then to develop. And considering this particular ACGM is selling off Couture, Meier, and Hertl, it's taking the full rebuild option - an option that I think is the best choice for the Sharks.


yea here I would focus on a Bedard, drafting Mich your not even guaranteed he come over, he could always just stay in
KHL. if i’m GM Bedard and Fantilli are more appealing than Mich.
but the sharks management has said they are not doing a full rebuild, and they have legit NHL players. and with 6-7 really solid prospects who have higher ceilings and have shown promise the sharks could be ready to contend earlier than most think. 24/25 the sharks have 6-7 contracts off the boards for replaceable players (Kunin Labanc Simek Bonino Lindblom Barabanov) i see them buying out Vlasic in 24, resigning the players from above who excell and let the rest walk, add in the prospects and a few smart FA moves and they should be on the upswing.
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Pens decline. I would take out Blomqvist and I think it's a little more fair
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If Meier leaves, it's to the Devils imo.
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Quoting: glarson17
I’m all for San Jose winning trades but almost all of these are very much in favor or San Jose.


I'm not an SJ fan. I was really just giving the gist of what I think they can do.
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I'm not an SJ fan. I was really just giving the gist of what I think they can do.


Fair. I just don’t see Dallas giving up Johnston for Hertl or NYR to give up Kakko and a 1st for Meier. I think the Pitt trade is pretty fair actually though I don’t see San Jose wanting to retain that much money long term
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