I assume you are sending Vladdy to Buffalo at the 22-23 deadline for that package?

even if buffalos not the right team and wont get that package

fixed it lol - Kyrou; dont hold back if you want to roast that deal. Let me have it haha recency bias has me moving RFAs for fun

Its essentially - Kyrou and Barbashev for Pasta, Ostlund, 2 1sts and a second; If Portillo signs w/ St Louis he'll be right on the timeline to take over for Binnington when his contract expires

Kings just finished a rebuild, I don't think they are trading for a 31 year old with term, especially considering that there are several young LDs who become free agents this offseason.

Pair this with Cal needing to take the reigns from Quick, and I don't see this trade happening.

Doubt the blues sign pasta and ROR isn't signing for that low of an amount. The kings probably don't make that trade and that Kyrou trade doesn't really help the blues at all. If the blues are trading Kyrou it's probably in a package for a better player or for a similar player of his caliber. Also our Defense is worse than it started with as Krug is better than Ghost.

That makes a lot more sense. I am not sure on the value but I was just thinking why the hell would Buffalo want Tara? Kyrou on the other hand would be a good add to their young core of forwards.

If I'm not mistaken didn't they do away with the pick conditions on players re-signing? I would imagine those players would need to ensure they are willing to sign/re-sign with the Blues before Buffalo even considers that deal. Kyrou is great but giving up Ostlund plus 2 1st rounders, a 2nd and the rest is a bit steep. Especially when a year of Olofsson retained could potentially net Buffalo a 1st or at the very least a 2nd in itself.

The Blues don't want any of that, and you are not getting Kyrou.

That's fine. Buffalo passes.

Kyrou is good maybe even great but not that type of package.

Would argue you would be looking at a Fiala type trade 1st and prospect

You guys are hilarious. This is a trash offer, and the Blues are playing to win now anyway.

Say Quinn pulls a Raymond rookie year; would Quinn + a 1st not be enough?

First off it's no where near a trash offer. The offer in itself provides considerable value. However it is not an offer that fits the Blues needs or what they would be looking for IF they were to ever consider trading Kyrou. There's a big difference between the two.

I'd rather keep Olofsson and see if he can give us the same production while keeping Ostlund and 4 other assets. makes 0 sense for Buffalo

For a 23 yo controlled All Star, it's a trash offer. Olofsson is a poor man's Mike Hoffman (empty calorie scoring and basically nothing else) AND a rental. Ostlund can skate but he's a microscopic C who can't shoot = hard no thank you. Portillo is an okay G prospect, but probably tops out as a decent back-up, at best (and the Blues already have loads of better G prospects). And then it's a few 2nds, one of which is two years away and another of which is three years away. There isn't even a 1st (re-signing conditions are no longer allowed) or a top prospect. In fact, one could argue there isn;t even one of the Sabres' top 12 prospects. This is undeniably an absolute trash offer for Kyrou. To suggest otherwise is cartoonish.

No.

Ostlund was just taken 16th overall and is a playmaker not a goal scorer. Olofsson scored 49 points in 72 games and he was playing injured for half of them, oh and he was playing 3rd line minutes as well I'd take him over Hoffman 10 times out of 10. Portillo is a decent prospect but yes i agree he's probably a long term back-up at the NHL level. the 3 2nds are what they are, most likely high in the round but packaged together are probably a mid/late first in value. Essentially roughly 3 1sts in value but too much quantity when the blues would want quality.

Kyrou is 24, not 23 , but that's irrelevant. Great player but your argument is as trash as you think the offer is.

1- Yeah, that's not how value works. You can't stack up a bunch of lower picks and claim it adds up to a 1st. And you entirely ignored both my points about Olofsson. Ostlund was a bad pick if you ask me. But the point remains - you can't just pile up a bunch of meh and claim it totals three 1sts in value and is good enough to acquire a young, controlled All Star caliber player. That's just straight up bull****.

2- Yeah, 24, I had a typo. However, he absolutely was in the ASG last season. This is a trash offer, and obviously so.

That simply reiterates my point. That package has value, however it does not have value to the Blues. To a team like Arizona or Chicago it would.

Debrincat was traded for a 1st, 2nd and 3rd. Debrincat is a more proven player who also happened to be an All-star and is 24 years old.

Fiala was traded for a 1st and a decent prospect. Fiala is also a more proven player who just came off an 85 point season. He is 2 years older though.

You're absolutely delusional if you think Kyrou is worth significantly more than either of those players. His value is likely within the same range. Saying it doesn't make sense for the Blues is fine, but acting like a 4 year old calling it trash when the fact is it's not trash just makes you look like a fool. Posters like you make me thankful for the ignore option.

Last time I will try: that is not how value works (even when you're not overstating the individual values). So yes, it absolutely is trash. Go try offering that for Chych or whomever, it will be laughed out of the building. Three 2nds are worth three 2nds. A one-trick rental is worth a one-trick rental. A back-up goalie prospect is worth a back-up goalie prospect. And so on. You cannot pile up 10 ding dongs and tell people it's worth the same as one opera cake.

lol okay

Didnt realize they stopped re-signing conditions. Dont understand why they would remove them tho, seemed to me like they made sense... If thats the case then idk how to make up the value without throwing in the sabres 23 1st rounder, but I think thats not an option

They removed those conditions in the last CBA, I would presume the players were against it.

As for Kyrou, the Blues have no incentive to trade him, let alone for a stack of so-so futures. They refused to include him in talks for O'Reilly and Tkachuk, so they certainly aren't moving him for a quantity package.

Okay. For whatever reason I thought they made an offer that included kyrou so thought maybe they were open to anything

I wouldn't do that as buffalo