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29 août à 19 h 57
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Trade confirmed: San Jose Sharks - Vegas Golden Knights
Détails de la transaction
Les Sharks de San Jose font l’acquisition de:
Logo de Sharks de San Jose
Choix de 4e ronde en 2024 (VGK)
Somme: 0 $0 $0 $
Variation: -2 175 000 $
Variation: -2 175 000 $
Variation: -2 675 000 $
Les Golden Knights de Vegas font l’acquisition de:
Logo de Golden Knights de Vegas
Adin Hill · 2 175 000 $2 175 000 $2 675 000 $
Somme: 2 175 000 $2 175 000 $2 675 000 $
Variation: +2 175 000 $
Variation: +2 175 000 $
Variation: +2 675 000 $
29 août à 19 h 59
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i think its a win-win trade, VGK gets a goalie (that they may trade next season for a bag of pucks) that they need right now, sharks get a pick and put an end to their goalie carousel
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29 août à 20 h 0
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How long before Adin Hill gets traded for future considerations?
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29 août à 20 h 1
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July 2021: Sharks trade a 2nd for HIll
August 2022: Sharks trade away Hill for a 4th

Bad assest management
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29 août à 20 h 2
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How bad is the Vegas goaltending situation?

Vegas: cover10.jpg
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29 août à 20 h 4
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Quoting: Devil
July 2021: Sharks trade a 2nd for HIll
August 2022: Sharks trade away Hill for a 4th

Bad assest management


Two different GMs. Hill was injured 70% of the year and Reimer and Kahkonen are clearly better. Yeah it looks bad but it makes sense for SJ to do this.
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29 août à 20 h 13
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29 août à 20 h 14
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San Jose spent the 43rd overall pick for the 2022 draft and Josef Korenar to get Adin Hill.

San Jose doesn't even allow Adin Hill to become their starting goalie or to stay on their roster for more than one season.

San Jose misses the playoffs during that season.

San Jose trades Adin Hill for a 4th round pick in 2024.



If you wanted an example of poor asset management, this is it.

Vegas wins the trade.
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29 août à 20 h 19
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Never trust Vegas. They said they were not trading for a goalie. Don’t trust them.
29 août à 20 h 21
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Stop helping the effing golden knights. Let them sink
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29 août à 20 h 22
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https://twitter.com/wyshynski/status/1562848365775552515?s=20&t=795U8l8VkQ31dNauUlwX7A

So that was a f**king lie
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29 août à 20 h 22
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Quoting: Devil
July 2021: Sharks trade a 2nd for HIll
August 2022: Sharks trade away Hill for a 4th

Bad assest management


Most people won't know for a few years if their second round picks are busts. The Sharks found out before the draft that it was, but they were able to flip it and get something for it. Plenty of picks at/around 43 (and earlier) don't pan out at all.

The Sharks would've had pick number 43. Jeremy Roy (pick 31), Angel Nikolov (pick 37), Peter Roed (pick 38), Tero Maatta (pick 41) William Wrenn (pick 43) are 5 of the 8 players picked after pick 30 but before pick 43 who never made the NHL (note: I'm not counting guys like Bordeleau, Ozzy, and Lund who haven't had time yet, though obviously Bordeleau has played games...feel free to consider it 5/9 if you prefer). Josh Hennessey (pick 43 as well) had 1 goal in 23 games. The other players were Vlasic and Jamie McGinn*.

Players picked between 44 and 50 were Vlastimil Kroupa (pick 45, 105 GP), Dody Wood (pick 45, 106 GP), Julius Bergman (pick 46, 0 GP), a couple of Matts at pick 47 - Carle (730 GP) and Nieto (570 GP and counting), Gabryel Boudreau (pick 49, 0GP), and Mario Ferraro (pick 49, looking like a long time Shark). Excluded Havelid since he was just drafted this year and Kniazev who does have 1 GP since the 2019 draft, but still has potential to make the team. That means they completely flopped on 2/7 (or 2/8 if you want to credit Kniazev's 1 GP so far), had 3/7 extremely successful picks (not superstars, just long tenure), and a pair with just over 100 GP.

If we don't just look at the Sharks and look through other pick 43s, 2018 pick 43 was Ruslan Iskhakov who is playing in the DEL, 2017 was Dylan Samberg who had 5 assists in 15 games with the Jets last year (first NHL games), 2016 was Janne Kuokkanen who has been getting some NHL time with the Devils the past 2 years (plus 1 game the year before), 2015 was Erik Černák for Tampa who has looked good, 2014 was Ryan MacInnis who has played 27 NHL games including only 1 last season. 2013 was Nic Petan who is up to 154 games played but still hasn't earned a full time NHL spot, 2012 was Ludvig Byström who has never played an NHL game and is in Liiga, 2011 was Brandon Saad who has had a great career, 2010 was Brad Ross who barely scratched the AHL and never played in the NHL, 2009 was the aforementioned William Wrenn who never played an NHL game

TLDR: It wasn't a successful use of the pick, but it was better than many other picks at that range. We already know the result of the pick was a failure, but plenty of other draft picks at that slot or earlier have been complete busts to never play in the NHL, and while it's possible whoever we'd have taken there would've been successful, it doesn't mean they will be. The Coyotes took Julian Lutz who I know some people were high on, but there's no guarantee the Sharks would've taken him at 43. Of course if the Sharks had pick 43 they might not have traded back, but we'll never know.

*Edit: Added in McGinn's first name. I had initially posted this on a Sharks message board a few weeks ago so there was no need to add the first name.
29 août à 20 h 32
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So bad asset management from SJ, you paid a 2nd for him last year and now get a 4th, ouch, fair deal for both, I guess Broissoit’s LTIR too?
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29 août à 20 h 32
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Really thought it was gonna be Reimer

Either way Sharks can sell him at TDL
29 août à 20 h 32
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I'm just confused by what vegas is doing, maybe brossoit is out longer then they thought. I think it's a fair deal, just don't know what vegas is really doing.
29 août à 20 h 33
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So bad asset management from SJ, you paid a 2nd for him last year and now get a 4th, ouch, fair deal for both, I guess Broissoit’s LTIR too?


Yeah the multiple injuries one could argue didnt help there case to ask for more

That said agreed trading for him and then getting less of a return not ideal

Either way Kahkonen is there guy once Reimer is gone at the TDL
29 août à 20 h 34
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I'm just confused by what vegas is doing, maybe brossoit is out longer then they thought. I think it's a fair deal, just don't know what vegas is really doing.


Thompson is waiver exempt so VGK can go Thompson/Hill till Brossoit is back then go Hill/Brossoit
29 août à 20 h 42
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Sharks trading away a contract that wasn't going to play anyways, saves 2.2 million on the cap but also 2.7 million in real money.
29 août à 20 h 45
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Hill was the worst of the 3 goalies on San Jose. Not really an upgrade for Vegas. A 4th isn't much though.

San Jose really screwed up trading a 2nd for the guy last year. That pick became Julian Lutz. A really promising prospect.
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29 août à 20 h 50
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Seems like a reasonable cheap option, but I'm genuinely surprised he didn't cost a little more. Like a 3rd and 5th.
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29 août à 20 h 51
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Why is Grier helping a divisional opponent?!?!

At least make them overpay, gosh...
29 août à 20 h 51
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Thompson is waiver exempt so VGK can go Thompson/Hill till Brossoit is back then go Hill/Brossoit


Except brossoit sucks. I'd waive him and see if he's taken
29 août à 20 h 51
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Quoting: aadoyle
Thompson is waiver exempt so VGK can go Thompson/Hill till Brossoit is back then go Hill/Brossoit


well yes, but I thought Thompson showed that he was worth a backup role last year, and he's on a very cheap deal. This just kinda screws up their cap just a little bit more, unless they're not gonna use much more of it they should be fine I guess.
29 août à 21 h 12
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A 4th round pick has less than a 25% chance of playing 100 games in the NHL. It is close to nothing.
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29 août à 21 h 17
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Knights win this trade imo but there goaltending is still horrible.
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