SETH JONES IS NOT A BAD CONTRACT

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Créé par: Garak

Équipe: 2022-23 Blackhawks de Chicago

Date de création initiale: 25 août 2022

Publié: 25 août 2022

Mode - plafond salarial: Basique

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Jones is still a bonified top pairing RHD. His cap hit might be a little higher than it should be, but it's not outrageous. The problem with Jones is that CHI gave up WAAAAAY too much in the trade and a rebuilding team really has no use for a player like him during a rebuild other than to help them hit the cap floor.

One more thing I just looked into and did the math on is that his contract is HEAVILY front loaded and the back half of his contract largely comes from signing bonuses, which ARE NOT INCLUDED IN THE CALCULATION OF BUYOUT cost!!! EDIT: If his contract is bought out with four years left, the buyout cost will only be $866K for 8 years. The cap hit savings will still be high for a few years, but by then the ceiling will be significantly higher anyway.

That is the cost of a mid level prospect, and might even be right near the league minimum salary by that point. At that point he will be 31 years old, he will still be a player in the NHL for a while beyond that. So that barely factors into anything. Also, by then the cap ceiling will have gone up substantially, according to NHL execs. At which point, his contract will be more than palatable to any team in the league for a top 4 defenseman.

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Choix de 4e ronde en 2023 (NYI)

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Athanasiou, Andreas

Rachats de contrats

Brett Connolly: 1 166 667 $
Henrik Borgström: 83 334 $
Boris Katchouk: 135 416 $

Frais appliqués

Duncan Keith: 5 538 462 $

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TAILLE DE LA FORMATION	PLAFOND SALARIAL	CAP HIT	EXCÉDENTS	BONIS	ESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
22	82 500 000 $	61 469 712 $	237 500 $	1 275 000 $	21 030 288 $

Ailier gauche	Centre	Ailier droit
Reichel, Lukas 925 000 $925 000 $ (425 000 $$425K) AG, C RFA - 2	Toews, Jonathan 10 500 000 $10 500 000 $ C NMC UFA - 1	Kane, Patrick 2 625 000 $2 625 000 $ AD NMC UFA - 1
Domi, Max 3 000 000 $3 000 000 $ C, AD UFA - 1	Johnson, Tyler 5 000 000 $5 000 000 $ AD, C, AG M-NTC UFA - 2	Raddysh, Taylor 758 333 $758 333 $ AD RFA - 2
Kurashev, Philipp 750 000 $750 000 $ AG, C, AD RFA - 1	Lafferty, Sam 1 150 000 $1 150 000 $ AD, C, AG UFA - 2	Blackwell, Colin 1 200 000 $1 200 000 $ C, AD UFA - 2
Hardman, Mike 800 000 $800 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 2	Khaira, Jujhar 975 000 $975 000 $ AG, C UFA - 1
	Johnson, Reese 800 000 $800 000 $ AD, C RFA - 2	Entwistle, Mackenzie 800 000 $800 000 $ AG, C RFA - 2

Défenseur gaucher	Défenseur droitier	Gardien de but
McCabe, Jake 2 000 000 $2 000 000 $ DG/DD M-NTC UFA - 3	Jones, Seth 9 500 000 $9 500 000 $ DD NMC UFA - 8	Mrázek, Petr 3 800 000 $3 800 000 $ G M-NTC UFA - 2
Johnson, Jack 950 000 $950 000 $ DG UFA - 1	Murphy, Connor 4 400 000 $4 400 000 $ DD M-NTC UFA - 4	Stalock, Alex 750 000 $750 000 $ G UFA - 1
Jones, Caleb 1 350 000 $1 350 000 $ DG/DD UFA - 1	Mitchell, Ian 925 000 $925 000 $ (850 000 $$850K) DD RFA - 1
Stillman, Riley 1 350 000 $1 350 000 $ DG RFA - 2

25 août 2022 à 13 h 58

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The_Rocket

Judd Bracket ripoff

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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy

That's just a crazy take. He is like 1M to 500k overpaid at most.
If he had gone to Dallas last year (the runner up in the Jones sweepstakes) and they made the 1st/2nd round then this whole talk about how good he is would never exist. Jones was actually very good defensively this year but his offense very much fell in line with the rest of Chicago as a team
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One analytical model from one season does not mean it is a good contract. I can easily point to a different model that suggests his total value is similar to OEL.

In fact, here is the comparison right here:

Seth Jones vs OEL. Who would you rather have? #Canucks #Blackhawks pic.twitter.com/ZjbEsndGC7
— Clay 🌨🏂 (@ClayRocket) August 25, 2022

25 août 2022 à 14 h 11

#27

LPProductions

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Jones is still a top pair caliber defenseman. They're paying him about 1 mill too much, but 8-10m is the going rate for players like him.

People LOVE to jump on a hate bandwagon as soon as a highly regarded player has a dip in play. it's like they forget what made him a great defenseman

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25 août 2022 à 14 h 13

#28

Ledge_And_Dairy

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Quoting: The_Rocket

Seth Jones vs OEL. Who would you rather have? #Canucks #Blackhawks pic.twitter.com/ZjbEsndGC7
— Clay 🌨🏂 (@ClayRocket) August 25, 2022

I agree 1 season is not an end all decision, for example the year prior Jones was at a 3% WAR
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Regardless of what any model says about Jones he is at the end of the day a legitimate #1 defenseman. He's played north of 25 minutes a night and in all situations for the last 4 seasons and is highly trusted against elite competition under every coach.

I like OEL too, I think in the right situation and with the right partner he is a very solid defenseman.

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25 août 2022 à 14 h 26

#29

The_Rocket

Judd Bracket ripoff

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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy

I agree 1 season is not an end all decision, for example the year prior Jones was at a 3% WAR
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I like both defenseman. I think either of them at around $5 million AAV is good. But both have much higher cap hits than that and a LOT of term. It’s just not feasible to carry a player like Seth Jones on your team and still have a high end contender. Similar to Darnell nurse in Edmonton.

25 août 2022 à 14 h 46

#30

Ledge_And_Dairy

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Quoting: The_Rocket

I just don't agree with that though. Jones is a very good hockey player that has happened to play for 2 very weak teams. Before he was traded to Chicago it was widely reported that Dallas was a frontrunner for him. Had they gotten him at a similar cost (15th OA + protected 1st + Dellandrea/Harley + 2nd for Jones + 32nd OA) this whole conversation of Jones' contract situation would likely not exist at all. Instead Dallas didn't get him and instead signed Sutter to a 4 year deal to play like a 3rd pair defenseman, then reversed into the first round of the playoffs

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25 août 2022 à 15 h 32

#31

CannaHawk

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Only Vegas takes on Seth Jones contract in weird unforeseen plot twist…

…that’s how much hope there is of moving Seth Jones that or everyone bails and someone Takes him on for an absurd desperation playoff push to save their job a lá StanBo First Blood Part 2

25 août 2022 à 16 h 42

#32

dopplsan

Nah.

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It's not an awful contract! Jones is a bona-fide top-pairing RD, which the market has put a pretty high cost on. It might not age super well, but when anyone is comparing it to, say, Makar's contract, nobody's contract is going to age well.

The problem is (1) like you said, he will forever be haunted by what CHI gave up to get him, particularly if even one of Sillinger/ Jiricek/ Boqvist turns into a stud; (2) his prime-value years are going to come while CHI is rebuilding; and, (3) that contract is buyout proof/ untradeable, unless Jones turns into the next un-aging Pavelski type (which, maybe! Circle around in six-seven years).

His contract is, frankly, probably what CBJ or any other team would be paying for him. The issue is just that it is awful for CHI to be paying for him right now. Bowman just had other ideas while he was trying to salvage his reputation on the way out the door.

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26 août 2022 à 12 h 31

#33

Garak

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Quoting: dopplsan

I wouldn't say it is buyout proof. Again, the buyout cap hit may be high, but the actual buyout cost is pretty low, only around $866k after his 4th year. And he will only be 31 and should still be playing good hockey at that point. So, if a team at that point is in a rebuild and needs a low actual cost piece to help them hit the cap floor, he would be a no brainer.

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