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Date de création initiale: 23 août 2022
Publié: 23 août 2022
Équipe: 2022-23 Maple Leafs de Toronto
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RFAANSCAP HIT
Sandin, Rasmus86 750 000 $
UFAANSCAP HIT
Aston-Reese, Zach11 200 000 $
Milano, Sonny11 200 000 $
Subban, P.K.11 200 000 $
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TOR
  1. McTavish, Mason
  2. Zegras, Trevor
  3. Choix de 2023 ronde en 2e (BOS)
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  1. Marner, Mitchell
  2. Choix de 2023 ronde en 3e (OTT)
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TOR
  1. Hartman, Ryan
MIN
  1. Kerfoot, Alexander
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TOR
  1. Kane, Patrick (5 250 000 $ retained)
CHI
  1. Engvall, Pierre
  2. Holl, Justin
  3. Niemelä, Topi
  4. Choix de 2023 ronde en 1e (TOR)
  5. Choix de 2025 ronde en 1e (TOR)
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2382 500 000 $82 093 450 $212 500 $3 350 000 $406 550 $
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Bunting, Michael
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Matthews, Auston
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Nylander, William
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Tavares, John
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Kane, Patrick
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Robertson, Nicholas
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Zegras, Trevor
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McTavish, Mason
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Hartman, Ryan
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Kämpf, David
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Aubé-Kubel, Nicolas
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Milano, Sonny
1 200 000 $
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Rielly, Morgan
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Brodie, TJ
5 000 000 $
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Murray, Matt
4 687 500 $
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Muzzin, Jake
5 625 000 $
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6 750 000 $
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Samsonov, Ilya
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Giordano, Mark
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23 août 2022 à 12 h 51
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Quoting: GiggywithGibby
Because it makes no freaking sense for the Ducks to make that trade, and everyone in the room seems to be able to see that except for you. It's public knowledge that the Ducks rebuild will last the next 2-3 years. Who the hell are we going to get a 3rd OA, a 9th OA pick +++ from for Marner if we flipped him??? No one who would want to buy Marner has that to offer us, so saying we could get better than McTavish and Zegras by flipping Marner is insane.

We're no interested in shipping off our core, or any of our first round picks, for anyone in the next three years because we will be wasting 2-3 years of their prime. Not Matthews, not McDavid, and sure as **** not Marner.


Bro, if you cant come up with a trade foe marner that gets you more than either of those guys alone, you're either so deep into your own prospect bias there is no retun or your imagination is just incredibly stagnant
23 août 2022 à 13 h 14
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Quoting: JaredOfLondon
Never said leafs fans dont, but then i havent seen any arguing that they wouldn't trade one of their best prospects straight up for an elite 2 way player and then having other fans of other teams defend that stance.
Aa far as flipping him, well it doesnt make sense for onw reason and thats that the leafs would never even remotely consider it but if they were dumb enough to offer it, yeah, the ducks would do it every day. Unless their gm grossly messes up the flip they would easily get more value back than whatever Zegras or McTavish offer and if you need me to be specific about that, well let's put it this way.
If the ducks were interested in marner the leafs dared entertain a trade, they would start the bidding war with a mctavish like prospect and a 1st because that's what he would return. Minimum, at the very least the ducks would have a lateral prospect move and an extra 1st.


You don’t see TML fans trading Knies for superstars on here. Part of the reason you don’t see it is because he is your top prospect. Toronto fans are too busy trading Holl, Kerfoot, Muzzin, Robertson, and every 1st and 2nd to worry about trading other prospects.

As far as this trade, in no way is ANA trading McTavish AND Zegras. You do realize it is both of them, not one or the other. If it were one and another prospect, or multiple picks, other players, etc. more people would understand your side.

As far as flipping is concerned, you don’t seem to understand the point. Zegras has established himself as a top young player. He could fall off after year one, but you can’t just assume after last season that happens, or he stays lateral and doesn’t improve. McTavish will be a Duck this season, and will be a 1-2 C for years, offering 2 way play and could very well be the future captain.

Please enlighten us all since you started to say you could flip Marner for more at the deadline unless it was “grossly messed up.” Give one scenario or one realistic trade at the deadline with Marner going to a contender for better return than MM/TZ/2nd rounder.
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23 août 2022 à 13 h 26
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You don’t see TML fans trading Knies for superstars on here. Part of the reason you don’t see it is because he is your top prospect. Toronto fans are too busy trading Holl, Kerfoot, Muzzin, Robertson, and every 1st and 2nd to worry about trading other prospects.

As far as this trade, in no way is ANA trading McTavish AND Zegras. You do realize it is both of them, not one or the other. If it were one and another prospect, or multiple picks, other players, etc. more people would understand your side.

As far as flipping is concerned, you don’t seem to understand the point. Zegras has established himself as a top young player. He could fall off after year one, but you can’t just assume after last season that happens, or he stays lateral and doesn’t improve. McTavish will be a Duck this season, and will be a 1-2 C for years, offering 2 way play and could very well be the future captain.

Please enlighten us all since you started to say you could flip Marner for more at the deadline unless it was “grossly messed up.” Give one scenario or one realistic trade at the deadline with Marner going to a contender for better return than MM/TZ/2nd rounder.


Right, so we agree. Leafs fans arnt over rating their prospects like ducks fans here are.
And yes, i do realise the op is for both, that's why i responded to the ducks fan who said they wouldn't trade one straight up. Wild how that works.
And as far as flipping goes, you cant assume marner doesn't get better, dude is literally mid prime.
And again, if you cant think of a trade that the ducks get more value out of than one or thr other player that is simply you refusing to use even a scrap of imagination
23 août 2022 à 13 h 32
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Quoting: JaredOfLondon
Bro, if you cant come up with a trade foe marner that gets you more than either of those guys alone, you're either so deep into your own prospect bias there is no retun or your imagination is just incredibly stagnant


https://theathletic.com/3415068/2022/07/25/nhl-prospects-rankings/

Who are we going to pull as an upgrade on Zegras OR McTavish? Lets use McTavish, and the Athletics list of top prospects.

Should I call up Seattle asking about Shane Wright or Matty Beniers? The likelihood that they can be good before Marners deal is up is slim to none.

Should I call up Arizona about Cooley? They're behind us on the rebuild timeline path, and will have no issue filling their stadium the next three years due to only having 5k seats, not to mention their money issues.

Maybe Colombus about Kent Johnson, because they need a 4th expensive winger after Gaudreau, Laine, and Voracek.

Winnipeg about Perfetti? This one has a shred of possibility if the Ducks retain 50% and they resign him when Wheeler retires.

Buffalo about Savoi? They are in the same place in their rebuild as we are, they won't be able to use Marner for a couple more years either.

Montreal about Slafkovsky? Also has a shred of possibility as they seem to be wanting to rebuild on the fly and will have the cap space after this season.

So we have two teams that are likely interested in the deal, and have someone of enough value for Anaheim to have entertained this idea in the first place. Not exactly the kind of bidding war we would hope for to mortgage our future.
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23 août 2022 à 13 h 39
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Quoting: JaredOfLondon
Lol, nice to see you've paid zero attention to anything ive actually said, but here it goes again.
Unlike what the ducks prospect homer above said, the ducks would easily trade one or the other for marner, without question.

As for your own example, you are literally stating the opposite of why gamblers go bust because in this scenario, marner is the sure thing. Zegras will probably never be better than marner and McTavish has a better chance of being Galchenyuk than marner, but it's nice to see that people round here still project homer status as hard as they can.


Yes, I agree 100% with @Austerity that the Ducks would trade Zegras for Marner 1-for-1.

In Zegras for 7 vs Marner for 3 plus maybe, it's Zegras, not Marner, who is the sure thing. Sorry you don't grasp the concept of time.
23 août 2022 à 13 h 44
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Yes, I agree 100% with Austerity that the Ducks would trade Zegras for Marner 1-for-1.

In Zegras for 7 vs Marner for 3 plus maybe, it's Zegras, not Marner, who is the sure thing. Sorry you don't grasp the concept of time.


Yea, you dont understand the concept of a sure thing
23 août 2022 à 13 h 53
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Quoting: GiggywithGibby
https://theathletic.com/3415068/2022/07/25/nhl-prospects-rankings/

Who are we going to pull as an upgrade on Zegras OR McTavish? Lets use McTavish, and the Athletics list of top prospects.

Should I call up Seattle asking about Shane Wright or Matty Beniers? The likelihood that they can be good before Marners deal is up is slim to none.

Should I call up Arizona about Cooley? They're behind us on the rebuild timeline path, and will have no issue filling their stadium the next three years due to only having 5k seats, not to mention their money issues.

Maybe Colombus about Kent Johnson, because they need a 4th expensive winger after Gaudreau, Laine, and Voracek.

Winnipeg about Perfetti? This one has a shred of possibility if the Ducks retain 50% and they resign him when Wheeler retires.

Buffalo about Savoi? They are in the same place in their rebuild as we are, they won't be able to use Marner for a couple more years either.

Montreal about Slafkovsky? Also has a shred of possibility as they seem to be wanting to rebuild on the fly and will have the cap space after this season.

So we have two teams that are likely interested in the deal, and have someone of enough value for Anaheim to have entertained this idea in the first place. Not exactly the kind of bidding war we would hope for to mortgage our future.


Seattle does it, arizona probably too because they care about butts in seats more than one ice product, Columbus isnt a fit but it has nothing to do with value and the jets easily do.
And look at that, you thought of a way to make this even better for the ducks, there are 25 teams in the league who would give up an absolute mint for marner retained, and here's another thought, what if you didnt have to have a single prospect as good as McTavish? What if we used LA as an example, they're on a fast track and 50% marner? They have a very deep prospect pool and all their picks.
There are many many options
23 août 2022 à 13 h 56
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Yea, you dont understand the concept of a sure thing


It’s funny that the most bias TML fan on here is complaining about bias from other team’s fans.
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23 août 2022 à 14 h 23
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Quoting: JaredOfLondon
Right, so we agree. Leafs fans arnt over rating their prospects like ducks fans here are.
And yes, i do realise the op is for both, that's why i responded to the ducks fan who said they wouldn't trade one straight up. Wild how that works.
And as far as flipping goes, you cant assume marner doesn't get better, dude is literally mid prime.
And again, if you cant think of a trade that the ducks get more value out of than one or thr other player that is simply you refusing to use even a scrap of imagination


So you have yet to articulate even one offer for Marner that gets a return better than the three listed. You have tried piggy-backing off of @giggywithgibby, but don’t realize that he was trying to explain how off you are.

Quoting: JaredOfLondon
Seattle does it, arizona probably too because they care about butts in seats more than one ice product, Columbus isnt a fit but it has nothing to do with value and the jets easily do.
And look at that, you thought of a way to make this even better for the ducks, there are 25 teams in the league who would give up an absolute mint for marner retained, and here's another thought, what if you didnt have to have a single prospect as good as McTavish? What if we used LA as an example, they're on a fast track and 50% marner? They have a very deep prospect pool and all their picks.
There are many many options


Seattle possibly, but again, tell us what they offer… show the value coming back. Arizona it’s obvious you don’t have a clue. CBJ is actually the best fit lol just not the most plausible money wise.

Again, just give ONE trade that is a fair, realistic, flip for a return on Marner. Just one….
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23 août 2022 à 16 h 9
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I'm laughing my butt off at all this arguing about fake trades.
At this point, McTavish and Zegras may not equal or surpass Marner's production on the scoresheet, but that's right now.
There are teams that are willing to leverage their future for immediate results, Anaheim isn't one of them (or Arizona, Chicago, Seattle and most of the teams in the NHL).
You also have to factor cost-control into a player's trade value, which Marner doesn't have ($11 million for 2 more years with a NMC isn't something to scoff at).
But to play along as a fake GM making fake trades, I see GMs willing to part with an established player, 1-2 good prospects and a 1st.

So here are a handful of barely feasible trades I think any GM except Dubas would part with for Marner.

Anaheim: Troy Terry, Sasha Pastujov, Henry Thrun, 1st.
Arizona: Clayton Keller, Janis Moser, Dylan Guenther, 1st.
CBJ: Patrik Laine, Yegor Chinakhov, Corson Ceulemans, 1st.
CHI: DeBrincat, Alec Regula, 1st.
SEA: Jared McCann, Ryan Winterton, Ryker Evans, 1st.

I understand how valuable a player Marner is, but you also have to understand how every team is going in a different trajectory, which means Marner's value is incredibly variable. He isn't an easily moved commodity.
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24 août 2022 à 0 h 44
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We aren't trading one of the most efficient non-ELC contracts in the league for Kerfoot. Not even close.
24 août 2022 à 14 h 14
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Quoting: CoachCoach
You don’t see TML fans trading Knies for superstars on here. Part of the reason you don’t see it is because he is your top prospect. Toronto fans are too busy trading Holl, Kerfoot, Muzzin, Robertson, and every 1st and 2nd to worry about trading other prospects.

As far as this trade, in no way is ANA trading McTavish AND Zegras. You do realize it is both of them, not one or the other. If it were one and another prospect, or multiple picks, other players, etc. more people would understand your side.

As far as flipping is concerned, you don’t seem to understand the point. Zegras has established himself as a top young player. He could fall off after year one, but you can’t just assume after last season that happens, or he stays lateral and doesn’t improve. McTavish will be a Duck this season, and will be a 1-2 C for years, offering 2 way play and could very well be the future captain.

Please enlighten us all since you started to say you could flip Marner for more at the deadline unless it was “grossly messed up.” Give one scenario or one realistic trade at the deadline with Marner going to a contender for better return than MM/TZ/2nd rounder.


You're right but Robertson could still be Toronto's best prospect, people just have fatigue over hearing about him (which is understandable). Don't worry, the Knies fatigue will come in 1-2 years and you'll see people looking to trade him for superstars on here as soon as the Leafs get a newer, shinier prospect.
24 août 2022 à 14 h 18
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Quoting: futurehofer
We aren't trading one of the most efficient non-ELC contracts in the league for Kerfoot. Not even close.


What about for Jeremy Bracco and a 2nd?

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