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(CGY/MTL) - Monahan, conditional 2025 1st for future considerations

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18 août 2022 à 18 h 50
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MONAHAN WILL BOUNCE BACK MARK MY WORDS
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18 août 2022 à 18 h 57
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nah, this was def the best offer they had. And its honestly not that bad... They lose one first round pick over the next 3 years. I bet the ask was more before Price said he wasn't coming back this season and it opened up cap space for the Habs to take a cap dump. The original ask was probably the 2023 first and now Calgary got away from having to give that up. All teams over the cap right now are screwed and will have to give something up to get under it.


It was a bad trade. I can only assume his 10 team list played a role.
18 août 2022 à 19 h 9
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Here are the conditions associated with the first-round selection acquired by Montreal:

1. In the event Calgary's own 2024 first (1st) round choice is selection 20-32 (inclusive) (following the determination of the 2024 NHL Draft lottery results), then Montreal shall have the option, exercisable until 48 hours prior to the start of the 2024 NHL draft, to exchange the conditional 2025 or 2026 first round choice to become Calgary's own 2024 first (1st) round choice); or,

If Florida's 2025 First (1st) Round Choice Transfers to Calgary (pursuant to the conditions on an earlier trade)

2. In the event the conditions to trigger Montreal's option as noted in #1 above does not occur, or Montreal declines to exercise this option, the following conditions shall prevail:

A) If both Calgary's own 2025 first (1st) round choice and Florida's 2025 first (1st) round choice (previously acquired by Calgary) are not in the top-10 selections of the 2025 NHL Draft (following the determination of the 2025 NHL Draft lottery results), then Montreal shall receive the earlier of the two (2) stated choices; or,
B) If Calgary's own 2025 first (1st) round choice is a top-10 selection and Florida's 2025 first round selection (previously acquired by Calgary) is outside of the top-10 selections (following the determination of the 2025 NHL Draft lottery results), Montreal shall receive Florida's 2025 first (1st) round choice).
If Florida's 2025 First Round Choice DOES NOT Transfer to Calgary (pursuant to the conditions on an earlier trade)

3. In the event the conditions to trigger Montreal's option as noted in #1 above does not occur, or Montreal declines to exercise this option, the following conditions shall prevail:

A. If Calgary's own 2025 first (1st) round choice is not in the top-10 selections of the 2025 NHL Draft (following the determination of the 2025 NHL Draft lottery results), Montreal shall receive Calgary's own 2025 first (1st) round choice, and additionally,

1) If Florida's own 2025 first (1st) round choice is not in the top-10 selections of the 2025 NHL Draft (following the determination of the 2025 NHL Draft lottery results); and,
2) Florida's 2025 first (1st) round choice has been transferred to another NHL Club; and,
3) Florida's 2025 first round draft position is better than Calgary's 2025 first round draft position; then Calgary will transfer their own 2025 fourth round choice to Montreal.
B. If Calgary's own 2025 first (1st) round choice is a top-10 selection (following the determination of the 2025 NHL Draft lottery results), Montreal shall receive Calgary's 2025 first (1st) round choice, subject to the following condition below:

1) In the event Calgary's 2025 first (1st) round choice is the first (1st) selection overall in the 2025 NHL Draft (following the determination of the 2025 NHL Draft lottery results), Calgary will retain its own 2025 first (1st) round choice and Montreal shall instead receive Calgary's own 2025 third (3rd) round choice and a conditional 2026 first (1st) round choice. Montreal shall receive the better of Calgary's 2026 first (1st) round choice or Florida's 2026 first (1st) round choice (following the determination of the 2026 NHL Draft lottery results) (previously conditionally acquired by Calgary).


Not gonna lie, I got halfway through point 3A and I started asking myself, "So Kevin Durant goes to the Panthers under which conditions?"
What a barn burner...GMs not wanting to be outsmarted, this is what it gives you. Grr.
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18 août 2022 à 19 h 15
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Quoting: Devil
Here are the conditions associated with the first-round selection acquired by Montreal:

1. In the event Calgary's own 2024 first (1st) round choice is selection 20-32 (inclusive) (following the determination of the 2024 NHL Draft lottery results), then Montreal shall have the option, exercisable until 48 hours prior to the start of the 2024 NHL draft, to exchange the conditional 2025 or 2026 first round choice to become Calgary's own 2024 first (1st) round choice); or,

If Florida's 2025 First (1st) Round Choice Transfers to Calgary (pursuant to the conditions on an earlier trade)

2. In the event the conditions to trigger Montreal's option as noted in #1 above does not occur, or Montreal declines to exercise this option, the following conditions shall prevail:

A) If both Calgary's own 2025 first (1st) round choice and Florida's 2025 first (1st) round choice (previously acquired by Calgary) are not in the top-10 selections of the 2025 NHL Draft (following the determination of the 2025 NHL Draft lottery results), then Montreal shall receive the earlier of the two (2) stated choices; or,
B) If Calgary's own 2025 first (1st) round choice is a top-10 selection and Florida's 2025 first round selection (previously acquired by Calgary) is outside of the top-10 selections (following the determination of the 2025 NHL Draft lottery results), Montreal shall receive Florida's 2025 first (1st) round choice).
If Florida's 2025 First Round Choice DOES NOT Transfer to Calgary (pursuant to the conditions on an earlier trade)

3. In the event the conditions to trigger Montreal's option as noted in #1 above does not occur, or Montreal declines to exercise this option, the following conditions shall prevail:

A. If Calgary's own 2025 first (1st) round choice is not in the top-10 selections of the 2025 NHL Draft (following the determination of the 2025 NHL Draft lottery results), Montreal shall receive Calgary's own 2025 first (1st) round choice, and additionally,

1) If Florida's own 2025 first (1st) round choice is not in the top-10 selections of the 2025 NHL Draft (following the determination of the 2025 NHL Draft lottery results); and,
2) Florida's 2025 first (1st) round choice has been transferred to another NHL Club; and,
3) Florida's 2025 first round draft position is better than Calgary's 2025 first round draft position; then Calgary will transfer their own 2025 fourth round choice to Montreal.
B. If Calgary's own 2025 first (1st) round choice is a top-10 selection (following the determination of the 2025 NHL Draft lottery results), Montreal shall receive Calgary's 2025 first (1st) round choice, subject to the following condition below:

1) In the event Calgary's 2025 first (1st) round choice is the first (1st) selection overall in the 2025 NHL Draft (following the determination of the 2025 NHL Draft lottery results), Calgary will retain its own 2025 first (1st) round choice and Montreal shall instead receive Calgary's own 2025 third (3rd) round choice and a conditional 2026 first (1st) round choice. Montreal shall receive the better of Calgary's 2026 first (1st) round choice or Florida's 2026 first (1st) round choice (following the determination of the 2026 NHL Draft lottery results) (previously conditionally acquired by Calgary).


Would make an english teacher proud
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18 août 2022 à 19 h 18
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Kevyn Adams is asleep. Seriously you have $30M in cap space after finalizing the roster. Get the asset.


Yep. Free 1st round pick and an asset that could potentially be worth something at the TD. Really, He's 27, he could rebound and become a legit 2C again.
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18 août 2022 à 19 h 21
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Habs are going "all in" to make another Stanley Cup run...
18 août 2022 à 19 h 29
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Quoting: ThirdPeriodCringe
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STAND ASIDE GUYS, IM A LAWYER! I WAS BORN FOR THIS!

If CGY 2024 1st is ranked 20+, MTL can claim it OR wait for 2025. Then:

--->If CGY also have FLO's top 10 proctected 1st:

A) IF CGY 2025 1st is not top 10 neither, MTL gets the higher one of the two. (MOST LIKELY)
-OR-
B) IF CGY 2025 1st is top 10, MTL gets FLO 1st

--->If FLO keep their 2025 1st because it is top 10:

A)MTL gets CGY 2025 1st outside of top 10
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CGY 2025 4th if FLO 2025 1st is higher than CGY's
-OR-
B) MTL gets CGY top 10 2025 1st, except If it is 1st overall, then MTL gets CGY 2025 3rd and the highest of CGY or FLO 2026 1st. (JACKPOT)

There you go, I cant simplify it more. How did I do @banks?

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18 août 2022 à 19 h 32
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Always important to take into account the value of the player when doing a cap dump. Does no one want the player or does no one want them at that price? Makes a big difference


Very true; but, as CBJ can attest, even a player of high value is not going to fetch much in this market. Good salary or bad, it’s still salary, and cap space is a high value asset.
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18 août 2022 à 19 h 32
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I thought you weren't allowed to trade picks that are involved in conditions until the conditions are resolved?
18 août 2022 à 19 h 43
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Really surprised by the one sided voting tbh, considering CGY had a couple 1st thos year and are no longer being seen as a team in a rebuild, really no reason to hold both of them. Monahan had a top 15 worst contract in the show, regardless of it only being 1 year left. Personally I feel CGY is still a winner, but I went fair trade bc a 1st is big for Montreal
18 août 2022 à 19 h 46
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Would make an english teacher proud


Quoting: Ste_Catherine_Street
Not gonna lie, I got halfway through point 3A and I started asking myself, "So Kevin Durant goes to the Panthers under which conditions?"
What a barn burner...GMs not wanting to be outsmarted, this is what it gives you. Grr.


Tl;dr

MTL can accept CGY 2024 1st if it is 20+, or the highest of FLO or CGY 2025 1st, assuming both will be ranked 11+ OA.

The rest is BS that won't happen.
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18 août 2022 à 19 h 49
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Tl;dr

MTL can accept CGY 2024 1st if it is 20+, or the highest of FLO or CGY 2025 1st, assuming both will be ranked 11+ OA. The rest is BS that won't happen.


Thanks. But where is KD traded to????
18 août 2022 à 19 h 55
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Habs win this trade IMO.
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18 août 2022 à 20 h 5
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I’d say MTL wins simply because we’re getting a 1st to take a 1 year UFA but for Calgary they still get a good return as Kadri will help them
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18 août 2022 à 20 h 18
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I think the lawyers hired to write that deal won...

But seriously Montreal. Huge price.
18 août 2022 à 21 h 14
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This is another example of a trade where the team making a cap dump tries to save face with a conditional draft pick that is ridiculous:

The Jonathan Bernier trade between Toronto and Anaheim from 6 years ago:

https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/28808
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18 août 2022 à 21 h 23
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Tl;dr

MTL can accept CGY 2024 1st if it is 20+, or the highest of FLO or CGY 2025 1st, assuming both will be ranked 11+ OA.

The rest is BS that won't happen.


I had gotten the gist, but Shakespeare seemed less 'extra' than that
18 août 2022 à 21 h 33
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Quoting: Hollands_missing_brain
Really surprised by the one sided voting tbh, considering CGY had a couple 1st thos year and are no longer being seen as a team in a rebuild, really no reason to hold both of them. Monahan had a top 15 worst contract in the show, regardless of it only being 1 year left. Personally I feel CGY is still a winner, but I went fair trade bc a 1st is big for Montreal


It's not really possible to have a bad contract when there's only 1 year left. Right now I consider Monahan having positive value because he can be traded at the TD at 50% retained for assets. Same with Dadonov.
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18 août 2022 à 21 h 44
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Kevyn Adams is asleep. Seriously you have $30M in cap space after finalizing the roster. Get the asset.

I would assume Buffalo was on Monahan's no-trade list.
18 août 2022 à 21 h 53
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Kent Hughes and Brad Trevliving are absolute legends for putting that many conditions in the trade
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18 août 2022 à 22 h 1
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I thought you weren't allowed to trade picks that are involved in conditions until the conditions are resolved?

You can but you have to put conditions on this one too. Kulak was just traded to Edmonton using a conditional pick for Keith's trade.
18 août 2022 à 22 h 7
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I would assume Buffalo was on Monahan's no-trade list.


You buy him out then and let him sign wherever he wants.
18 août 2022 à 22 h 7
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Yep. Free 1st round pick and an asset that could potentially be worth something at the TD. Really, He's 27, he could rebound and become a legit 2C again.

Absolutely. GM's are quite the breed.
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18 août 2022 à 22 h 16
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You buy him out then and let him sign wherever he wants.

Doesn't create enough cap space for this year, and burdens you next year.

Also doesn't have anything to do with your initial statement that Buffalo should have gotten him.
18 août 2022 à 22 h 20
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Doesn't create enough cap space for this year, and burdens you next year.

Also doesn't have anything to do with your initial statement that Buffalo should have gotten him.


Buffalo should've gotten him simply because they are in a position to. Adding a 1st rounder in a year BUF will be contenders is huge. Sabres have $30M in space. They can absorb the cap hit. Buy him out. Trade him with 50% retained. Who cares?
 
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