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These Are Two Very Fair Trades

Créé par: MikeKeenanHatesMe
Équipe: 2022-23 Flames de Calgary
Date de création initiale: 16 août 2022
Publié: 16 août 2022
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Description
That help both teams and will likely receive criticism.
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
UFAANSCAP HIT
1950 000 $
12 000 000 $
Transactions
1.
CGY
  1. Scheifele, Mark
Détails additionnels:
Jets are getting our best prospect a 2023 first (yep it’s late but deal with it) plus Dube and Valimaki who can step in and play right away.
WPG
  1. Coronato, Matthew [Liste de réserve]
  2. Dubé, Dillon
  3. Välimäki, Juuso
  4. Choix de 1e ronde en 2023 (CGY)
2.
CGY
  1. Eller, Lars
  2. Leason, Brett
  3. Mantha, Anthony (1 700 000 $ retained)
  4. Choix de 4e ronde en 2023 (WSH)
Détails additionnels:
Taking Eller back with Monahan retained makes that part of the trade a nearly even cap hit on expiring contracts.

Getting Hanafin and trading out Mantha with that retention means the Caps are only adding 950,000 to their cap to get a LHD that is a huge upgrade and way better than Mantha. To help us they’re going to have to give back a prospect that’s NHL ready and Leason fits that definition perfectly. It’s not McMichael, or Alexeyev, or Chesley, which makes it more than fair.
WSH
  1. Hanifin, Noah
  2. Monahan, Sean (3 000 000 $ retained)
3.
CGY
ANA
  1. Lucic, Milan
  2. Ruzicka, Adam [Droits de RFA]
  3. Choix de 2e ronde en 2024 (CGY)
Détails additionnels:
Dump
Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire
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2024
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2025
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TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2382 500 000 $71 140 833 $0 $200 000 $11 359 167 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
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5 900 000 $5 900 000 $
AG, AD
M-NTC
UFA - 1
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4 850 000 $4 850 000 $
C, AD
UFA - 2
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2 125 000 $2 125 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 2
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5 800 000 $5 800 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 3
Logo de Jets de Winnipeg
6 125 000 $6 125 000 $
C
M-NTC
UFA - 2
Logo de Capitals de Washington
1 150 000 $1 150 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 2
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863 333 $863 333 $
AG
RFA - 2
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5 350 000 $5 350 000 $
C
M-NTC
UFA - 2
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4 900 000 $4 900 000 $
AD, AG
NTC
UFA - 5
Logo de Flames de Calgary
1 300 000 $1 300 000 $
C
UFA - 2
2 000 000 $2 000 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 1
Logo de Capitals de Washington
2 415 000 $2 415 000 $
C
UFA - 1
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
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3 250 000 $3 250 000 $
DG/DD
UFA - 1
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4 550 000 $4 550 000 $
DD
UFA - 4
Logo de Flames de Calgary
6 000 000 $6 000 000 $
G
NMC
UFA - 4
Logo de Flames de Calgary
2 500 000 $2 500 000 $
DG/DD
UFA - 2
Logo de Flames de Calgary
1 125 000 $1 125 000 $
DD
M-NTC
UFA - 2
Logo de Flames de Calgary
750 000 $750 000 $
G
UFA - 1
Logo de Flames de Calgary
3 750 000 $3 750 000 $
DG/DD
UFA - 2
950 000 $950 000 $
DD
UFA - 1
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
Logo de Flames de Calgary
800 000 $800 000 $ (Bonis de performance200 000 $$200K)
AD, C
UFA - 1
Logo de Capitals de Washington
775 000 $775 000 $
AD
RFA - 2
Logo de Flames de Calgary
912 500 $912 500 $
DG
UFA - 1

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16 août 2022 à 16 h 45
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top pairing zadorov????

NICE
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16 août 2022 à 17 h 0
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I hate Scheifflele and Coronato will be NHL ready in March.

Lucic was paid his signing bonus ($3M) on July 1 and only has $850,000 left to be paid, so he could go to a team looking to get to the cap floor for next to nothing since he counts $7M against the cap but that team would only have to pay him $850k.
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16 août 2022 à 17 h 3
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Anaheim accepts
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16 août 2022 à 17 h 7
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I'm an outsider, but it seems to me that trading futures for Scheifele is a bad strategic plan. Consider the 2024-2025 roster:

Of the forwards shown, only 4 (Huberdeau, Mangiapane, Coleman and Pelletier) plus the scratched Brett Leason are guaranteed to be under contract, plus 1 of the defensemen (Andersson), unless you can re-sign Weegar, plus the goalies. Meanwhile, you've traded away Coronato, Dube and Valimaki, all of whom will probably play significant roles for the Flames if left there, and the 2023 first, and you didn't have a 2022 first, so other than Zary, Kuznetsov and Poirier, it's hard to see who will be coming up through the system. This looks to me like a looming collapse in 2024-2025 and a top-5 pick that June.
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16 août 2022 à 17 h 27
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Which two are fair?
16 août 2022 à 17 h 32
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Quoting: canadian1967

Lucic was paid his signing bonus ($3M) on July 1 and only has $850,000 left to be paid, so he could go to a team looking to get to the cap floor for next to nothing since he counts $7M against the cap but that team would only have to pay him $850k.


That ship has sailed my friend as every team in the league is over the cap floor. The only reason ANA, ARI, BUF, etc take a cap dump now is they get paid to do so. Or they actually want the player on their roster, which is possible. Lucic in ANA would be a decent fit and a 2nd would be enticing to take him on. For anything less though? Calgary can keep him and ANA will run what they have.
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16 août 2022 à 17 h 32
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The Jets wouldn't consider a winger prospect, a bottom pairing LD, a bottom 6 winger and a mid first a fair trade for a PPG 1C on a great contract. Just not enough quality.
16 août 2022 à 17 h 58
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Quoting: Windjammer
The Jets wouldn't consider a winger prospect, a bottom pairing LD, a bottom 6 winger and a mid first a fair trade for a PPG 1C on a great contract. Just not enough quality.


You blithely dismiss USA U-20/WJC standout Matthew Coronato as "a winger prospect," as if Winnipeg has anyone in the system rated as highly. Who would that be? It wouldn't be Cole Perfetti, who's the center prospect Winnipeg hopes will replace Scheifele, and it wouldn't be Chaz Lucius, who was drafted after Coronato and not selected to the WJC team this summer. So tell me why Coronato wouldn't be the #1 winger prospect in the Jets system.
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16 août 2022 à 18 h 14
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Quoting: OldNYIfan
You blithely dismiss USA U-20/WJC standout Matthew Coronato as "a winger prospect," as if Winnipeg has anyone in the system rated as highly. Who would that be? It wouldn't be Cole Perfetti, who's the center prospect Winnipeg hopes will replace Scheifele, and it wouldn't be Chaz Lucius, who was drafted after Coronato and not selected to the WJC team this summer. So tell me why Coronato wouldn't be the #1 winger prospect in the Jets system.

I agree with you but Lucius is injured and that’s why he’s not on the team. He was on the team in the winter. However I agree with you the jets should accept this Tess’s if they were looking at moving Scheifele
16 août 2022 à 18 h 14
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Quoting: OldNYIfan
You blithely dismiss USA U-20/WJC standout Matthew Coronato as "a winger prospect," as if Winnipeg has anyone in the system rated as highly. Who would that be? It wouldn't be Cole Perfetti, who's the center prospect Winnipeg hopes will replace Scheifele, and it wouldn't be Chaz Lucius, who was drafted after Coronato and not selected to the WJC team this summer. So tell me why Coronato wouldn't be the #1 winger prospect in the Jets system.


To be fair, both Perfetti and Lucius weren’t released to play in the juniors and to use that to base potential is a poor strategy.
That said, Coronato would be great but the Jets primary needs are C and RHD.
16 août 2022 à 18 h 24
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I get where the Caps trade is coming from but right now they need a top 6 winger more than they need a top 4 defenseman and I'm not convinced the gap between Eller and Monahan exists at all. Hanifin was great last year but was pretty average the 3 years before that and Mantha's year was nowhere close to as bad as people think. The retention on Mantha's deal also completely screws them next year. Leason and a 4th though is basically nothing, so not crazy
16 août 2022 à 18 h 25
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The Caps trade is an interesting one, but I don’t think Washington would accept this. The value seems alright, but I can’t see Washington springing for this unless they are sure Orlov won’t re-sign. With the Left side already holding Fehervary, Orlov, Johansen, and Alexeyev on the way, I’m not sure Washington would commit to forcing Fehervary to the 3rd pairing for 2 years.
16 août 2022 à 18 h 58
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I don't hate the caps trade, but as others have said, the retention screws us for next year when we have tons of contracts coming off the books and we have a plethora of LHD on the NHL roster and in the system. Value wise, I think the trade is very close. Probably just take out all retention and it's a workable deal, but we'd have to make another move too and I'm not sure there's one that makes sense.
16 août 2022 à 19 h 26
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Quoting: OldNYIfan
You blithely dismiss USA U-20/WJC standout Matthew Coronato as "a winger prospect," as if Winnipeg has anyone in the system rated as highly. Who would that be? It wouldn't be Cole Perfetti, who's the center prospect Winnipeg hopes will replace Scheifele, and it wouldn't be Chaz Lucius, who was drafted after Coronato and not selected to the WJC team this summer. So tell me why Coronato wouldn't be the #1 winger prospect in the Jets system.


Who cares if he would or wouldn't be the Jets best winger prospect? I said he is a winger prospect and as good as he is he isn't a need if the Jets are trading a 1C. Wingers are far easier to find than PPG 1C's.

Then you add that the two other players are low value, unneeded, bottom of the lineup players to go with a mid first and it adds up to not enough value or needs met to entertain. Especially in conference.
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top pairing zadorov????

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I fixed that
16 août 2022 à 19 h 49
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Who cares if he would or wouldn't be the Jets best winger prospect? I said he is a winger prospect and as good as he is he isn't a need if the Jets are trading a 1C. Wingers are far easier to find than PPG 1C's.

Then you add that the two other players are low value, unneeded, bottom of the lineup players to go with a mid first and it adds up to not enough value or needs met to entertain. Especially in conference.


Please tell me what you think Scheifele will fetch in a trade that’s probably a year away? Because I’d place a bet his return is similar to above or worse
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16 août 2022 à 20 h 5
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Please tell me what you think Scheifele will fetch in a trade that’s probably a year away? Because I’d place a bet his return is similar to above or worse


Value wise it would probably be that, but with more needs being meet for the Jets. It's not a video game, needs matter more than perceived value.

You're also talking about a year from now which is a huge difference in value from making the trade this summer.
16 août 2022 à 20 h 6
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Quoting: Windjammer
Value wise it would probably be that, but with more needs being meet for the Jets. It's not a video game, needs matter more than perceived value.

You're also talking about a year from now which is a huge difference in value from making the trade this summer.


And why don’t the Jets need a winger? Lucius is a centre and Perfetti looks like he could be a centre as well.
16 août 2022 à 20 h 10
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And why don’t the Jets need a winger? Lucius is a centre and Perfetti looks like he could be a centre as well.


They don't need a winger at the cost of a PPG 1C on a great contract. Wingers are infinitely easier to find that a PPG 1C. Coronato would be great, just not at the cost of Scheifele.
 
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