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17 août 2022 à 15 h 19
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Quoting: Logan_Ollivier
They didn't go on a run. They won the Pacific and got crushed once they played an actual playoff worthy team. It'll happen again and again.


winning two rounds would be considered a run my friend.
17 août 2022 à 15 h 21
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winning two rounds would be considered a run my friend.


Unless it's the Pacific, then it's essentially a participation award. You have won nothing but sure are proud of it.
17 août 2022 à 15 h 22
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This is so ridiculous. A guy who often plays top 4 and 20+ minutes a game making 2 million on a team that is and has been for the past several seasons, better than Edmonton, is an AHL player. How does that work out eh? Two guys who weren't good enough to keep in TO are your hope and dream? Hilarious


Yup thats what I said. You should keep him for your D core if he is so good. I am not sitting our future 1/2 D for a 7th Dman.
Just like you are not sitting your future 1/2 D for a 7th Dman
Make sense???
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17 août 2022 à 15 h 22
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Unless it's the Pacific, then it's essentially a participation award. You have won nothing but sure are proud of it.


rent freesmile Matthews gonna get a bag in AZ
17 août 2022 à 15 h 22
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Lol nope just keep running Barrie and Ceci out there.


Yes hopefully we will. Ceci was excellent for us last year. And Barrie was fantastic in the playoffs.
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17 août 2022 à 15 h 23
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Yes hopefully we will. Ceci was excellent for us last year. And Barrie was fantastic in the playoffs.


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17 août 2022 à 15 h 24
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Look I know exactly how you operate sir. You are on here each year claiming every Oiler is going to have career years. Your 3rd liners are all better than anyone else and every year you have the same issues. No depth scoring, poor defence and bad goaltending. This season will be a bit better but you're defence sucks, your goaltending is super thin.


I have never ever said any oilers are going to have career years. But yes our young talent will do better each and every year. Not sure where you are getting that from. It works like that on all teams that the young get better.
Why are you saying we will be better this year, meanwhile saying we wont make the playoffs????
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17 août 2022 à 15 h 53
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Quoting: gary_gobbler
rent freesmile Matthews gonna get a bag in AZ


Gobbler - back at it, thought the drugs would have worn off by now tears of joy .
Logan_Ollivier - this dude is a joke; waste of time debating him
17 août 2022 à 15 h 56
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Gobbler - back at it, thought the drugs would have worn off by now tears of joy .
Logan_Ollivier - this dude is a joke; waste of time debating him


you're the same guy that said our headcoach was named woodson, we got dumb and dumber on our hands now.
17 août 2022 à 16 h 0
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Quoting: Copenhagen
Ahhhahhahahah Do you even watch the Oilers?
Down to McDavid eh?
We had crappy goaltending and still did well.
McDavid
Draisaitl
Hyman
Kane
Nuge
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JP
McLeod
Holloway
What were you saying about bellow average and all up to McDavid????

Nurse/Bouchard
Kulak/Ceci
Broberg/Barrie
Niemeläinen
I am totally fine with our D the way it sits.

We have the same team as last year except adding a goalie. So what "Moves" have we made?

Soup just has to be average.
Smith in Net
Game 1 .760
Game 2 .900
Game 3 .929
Game 4 .857
That is a .861 average, which is worse than an AHL goalie

A decent goalie would have made a big difference.
But I bet you don't recall how bad the Oilers goaltending was?


Suggest you review the stats again from that series. Avs dominated games 1,2,& 4. xGF% all heavily in favour of avs (55+% for those games). Their goalie didn’t play much better than yours but they still won handily - 82, 100, 91, 85.
Leafs vs Tampa was basically a saw off; neither goalie played great and stats are like the series overall - really, really close and came down to a few bad calls and a few lucky bounces.
17 août 2022 à 16 h 3
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Suggest you review the stats again from that series. Avs dominated games 1,2,& 4. xGF% all heavily in favour of avs (55+% for those games). Their goalie didn’t play much better than yours but they still won handily - 82, 100, 91, 85.
Leafs vs Tampa was basically a saw off; neither goalie played great and stats are like the series overall - really, really close and came down to a few bad calls and a few lucky bounces.


but you still lost, advanced analytics doesn't make it a win.
17 août 2022 à 16 h 9
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but you still lost, advanced analytics doesn't make it a win.


So did you tears of joy . And I don’t know your coach’s name b/c he’s a nobody, that’s kind of the point. You think he’s Scotty bowman junior yet no one has heard of him; kind of same with Ceci (leaf’s castoff), Barrie (leafs cast off), Hyman ( leafs castoff butcgoud player, Bunting is better). Nurse is one of the 10 worst contracts in the nhl. Nugent Smith is decent but one of the worst overall #1 picks in last 20 years (only behind yakalov - remember him tears of joy ).
Oil is a joke - you win the McDavid lottery + you play in the Weakcific otherwise you’d be Ottawa or Arizona.
17 août 2022 à 16 h 13
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Suggest you review the stats again from that series. Avs dominated games 1,2,& 4. xGF% all heavily in favour of avs (55+% for those games). Their goalie didn’t play much better than yours but they still won handily - 82, 100, 91, 85.
Leafs vs Tampa was basically a saw off; neither goalie played great and stats are like the series overall - really, really close and came down to a few bad calls and a few lucky bounces.


Yup I had this discussion already. Thank you cut and paste.

Francouz .916 through the Edmonton series. If you cant see the difference between Francouz .916 average and .857 Smith in the series, than I cant help you and am at a lost for words.
I got all the stats

Smith was playing injured, so much so that he likely isn't going to recover in time to play hockey all next season. So there's that.

But if you look at how Colorado performed against each team they met in the postseason, only one really challenged them at 5v5. Here are Colorado's stats in each series:

vs NAS: 59.66 xGF%, 62.69 SCF%, 56.58 HDCF%
vs STL: 59.84 xGF%, 62.93 SCF%, 62.89 HDCF%
vs EDM: 53.28 xGF%, 53.03 SCF%, 46.07 HDCF%
vs TBL: 60.57 xGF%, 60.20 SCF%, 56.73 HDCF%

As for Colorado's vaunted defense, here's how many high danger chances they allowed from each opponent:

NAS: 9.95 HDCA/60
STL: 6.89 HDCA/60
EDM: 15.06 HDCA/60
TBL: 9.00 HDCA/60

Again Edmonton is the anomaly.

Here's a look at how the two teams performed down the stretch, from Feb 10th through the end of the regular season:

Record
2. Edmonton: .724 (38 gp)
8. Colorado: .662 (37 gp)

GF - GA = goal differential
Edmonton: 3.82 - 2.76 = +1.06
Colorado: 3.38 - 2.76 = +0.62

SF - SA
Edmonton: 34.8 - 32.4
Colorado: 34.8 - 33.2

Net PP, Net PK
Edmonton: 21.4%, 87.0%
Colorado: 21.4%, 82.8%

There really isn't much daylight between these clubs.
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17 août 2022 à 16 h 16
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So did you tears of joy . And I don’t know your coach’s name b/c he’s a nobody, that’s kind of the point. You think he’s Scotty bowman junior yet no one has heard of him; kind of same with Ceci (leaf’s castoff), Barrie (leafs cast off), Hyman ( leafs castoff butcgoud player, Bunting is better). Nurse is one of the 10 worst contracts in the nhl. Nugent Smith is decent but one of the worst overall #1 picks in last 20 years (only behind yakalov - remember him tears of joy ).
Oil is a joke - you win the McDavid lottery + you play in the Weakcific otherwise you’d be Ottawa or Arizona.


I've never seen so many spelling errors in a single paragraph. Woodcroft is a really good coach, and you seem to be the only person to think he isn't. Completely turned the oilers around, after he was hired they went 26-9-3 (2nd in nhl) with a .724 win % (better than the leafs)
Barrie, Ceci, and Hyman also all played substantially better after leaving the leaf's.
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17 août 2022 à 16 h 22
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Quoting: gary_gobbler
winning two rounds would be considered a run my friend.


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Unless it's the Pacific, then it's essentially a participation award. You have won nothing but sure are proud of it.

This is an interesting narrative, but it doesn't stand the light of day. Here are Edmonton and Colorado's 1st & 2nd round opponents:

Edmonton
1. LAK: 99 points
2. CAL: 111 points

Colorado
1. NAS: 97 points
2. STL: 109 points

So Colorado's route to the Conference Finals was in fact easier than Edmonton's. Does that somehow lessen the accomplishment? I don't think so.
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17 août 2022 à 16 h 25
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This is an interesting narrative, but it doesn't stand the light of day. Here are Edmonton and Colorado's 1st & 2nd round opponents:

Edmonton
1. LAK: 99 points
2. CAL: 111 points

Colorado
1. NAS: 97 points
2. STL: 109 points

So Colorado's route to the Conference Finals was in fact easier than Edmonton's. Does that somehow lessen the accomplishment? I don't think so.


Oh by the way since you are here CD.... Thanks for the stats. I just copy/pasted your info.
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17 août 2022 à 16 h 26
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Oh by the way since you are here CD.... Thanks for the stats. I just copy/pasted your info.


Saves me the time searching for it! cheers
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17 août 2022 à 16 h 35
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Yup I had this discussion already. Thank you cut and paste.

Francouz .916 through the Edmonton series. If you cant see the difference between Francouz .916 average and .857 Smith in the series, than I cant help you and am at a lost for words.
I got all the stats

Smith was playing injured, so much so that he likely isn't going to recover in time to play hockey all next season. So there's that.

But if you look at how Colorado performed against each team they met in the postseason, only one really challenged them at 5v5. Here are Colorado's stats in each series:

vs NAS: 59.66 xGF%, 62.69 SCF%, 56.58 HDCF%
vs STL: 59.84 xGF%, 62.93 SCF%, 62.89 HDCF%
vs EDM: 53.28 xGF%, 53.03 SCF%, 46.07 HDCF%
vs TBL: 60.57 xGF%, 60.20 SCF%, 56.73 HDCF%

As for Colorado's vaunted defense, here's how many high danger chances they allowed from each opponent:

NAS: 9.95 HDCA/60
STL: 6.89 HDCA/60
EDM: 15.06 HDCA/60
TBL: 9.00 HDCA/60

Again Edmonton is the anomaly.

Here's a look at how the two teams performed down the stretch, from Feb 10th through the end of the regular season:

Record
2. Edmonton: .724 (38 gp)
8. Colorado: .662 (37 gp)

GF - GA = goal differential
Edmonton: 3.82 - 2.76 = +1.06
Colorado: 3.38 - 2.76 = +0.62

SF - SA
Edmonton: 34.8 - 32.4
Colorado: 34.8 - 33.2

Net PP, Net PK
Edmonton: 21.4%, 87.0%
Colorado: 21.4%, 82.8%

There really isn't much daylight between these clubs.


Check your data source, don’t think so.
Using Natural Stat Trick:
Colorado outshot (and outscored) you in 4game series:
Avs 172 (22), equates to a 87.8 sv% for oil goalie
Oil 130 (13), equates to a90% sv% for avs goalie
xGF over series favour avs - 9.88 vs 8.67, 53,2%
HDCF over series favour oil - 48 to 41, or 54.5% but 14 of those hdcf came in game 3 when your high powered offense scored 2 goals

Series wasn’t close and it didn’t come down to goaltending. Once oil got out of puff powder pacific they got exposed and were easily beaten.
Since neither Leaf’s nor Oil have made it to the finals recently there are no head to head stats aside from reg season where we literally own you in every possible category . Case closed.
17 août 2022 à 16 h 46
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Check your data source, don’t think so.
Using Natural Stat Trick:
Colorado outshot (and outscored) you in 4game series:
Avs 172 (22), equates to a 87.8 sv% for oil goalie
Oil 130 (13), equates to a90% sv% for avs goalie
xGF over series favour avs - 9.88 vs 8.67, 53,2%
HDCF over series favour oil - 48 to 41, or 54.5% but 14 of those hdcf came in game 3 when your high powered offense scored 2 goals

Series wasn’t close and it didn’t come down to goaltending. Once oil got out of puff powder pacific they got exposed and were easily beaten.
Since neither Leaf’s nor Oil have made it to the finals recently there are no head to head stats aside from reg season where we literally own you in every possible category . Case closed.


why does everything come back to the regular season?
17 août 2022 à 16 h 48
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This is an interesting narrative, but it doesn't stand the light of day. Here are Edmonton and Colorado's 1st & 2nd round opponents:

Edmonton
1. LAK: 99 points
2. CAL: 111 points

Colorado
1. NAS: 97 points
2. STL: 109 points

So Colorado's route to the Conference Finals was in fact easier than Edmonton's. Does that somehow lessen the accomplishment? I don't think so.


I will write slowly for you - it’s easier to put up points in the puff powder pacific where you play majority of your games.
Oil record vs division in 2022:
Oil vs Atl - 40.6% of points available
Oil vs central - 60.4%
Oil vs metro - 62.5%
Oil vs Puffcific - 80.7%

Same goes for other teams in the puff division.

You win at twice the rate in puffcific vs Atlantic!
Btw, Leafs are also 12-3 against you head to head in past 5 years.
Enjoy the pacific while you can b/c as soon as you leave, game over cool
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17 août 2022 à 16 h 51
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I will write slowly for you - it’s easier to put up points in the puff powder pacific where you play majority of your games.
Oil record vs division in 2022:
Oil vs Atl - 40.6% of points available
Oil vs central - 60.4%
Oil vs metro - 62.5%
Oil vs Puffcific - 80.7%

Same goes for other teams in the puff division.

You win at twice the rate in puffcific vs Atlantic!
Btw, Leafs are also 12-3 against you head to head in past 5 years.
Enjoy the pacific while you can b/c as soon as you leave, game over cool


you do realize the central is just as weak, if not weaker.. right?
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I will write slowly for you - it’s easier to put up points in the puff powder pacific where you play majority of your games.
Oil record vs division in 2022:
Oil vs Atl - 40.6% of points available
Oil vs central - 60.4%
Oil vs metro - 62.5%
Oil vs Puffcific - 80.7%

Same goes for other teams in the puff division.

You win at twice the rate in puffcific vs Atlantic!
Btw, Leafs are also 12-3 against you head to head in past 5 years.
Enjoy the pacific while you can b/c as soon as you leave, game over cool


Small sample size.
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17 août 2022 à 16 h 56
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Check your data source, don’t think so.
Using Natural Stat Trick:
Colorado outshot (and outscored) you in 4game series:
Avs 172 (22), equates to a 87.8 sv% for oil goalie
Oil 130 (13), equates to a90% sv% for avs goalie
xGF over series favour avs - 9.88 vs 8.67, 53,2%
HDCF over series favour oil - 48 to 41, or 54.5% but 14 of those hdcf came in game 3 when your high powered offense scored 2 goals

Series wasn’t close and it didn’t come down to goaltending. Once oil got out of puff powder pacific they got exposed and were easily beaten.
Since neither Leaf’s nor Oil have made it to the finals recently there are no head to head stats aside from reg season where we literally own you in every possible category . Case closed.


Smith in Net
Game 1 .760
Game 2 .900
Game 3 .929
Game 4 .857
That is a .861 average, which is worse than an AHL goalie


Francouz .911 through the Edmonton series. If you cant see the difference between Francouz .916 average and .861 Smith in the series.
Just checked my math again. It is good.
17 août 2022 à 17 h 0
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I will write slowly for you - it’s easier to put up points in the puff powder pacific where you play majority of your games.
Oil record vs division in 2022:
Oil vs Atl - 40.6% of points available
Oil vs central - 60.4%
Oil vs metro - 62.5%
Oil vs Puffcific - 80.7%

Same goes for other teams in the puff division.

You win at twice the rate in puffcific vs Atlantic!
Btw, Leafs are also 12-3 against you head to head in past 5 years.
Enjoy the pacific while you can b/c as soon as you leave, game over cool


Buffalo, Detroit, Ottawa and Montreal. Great job leafs coming out of that sensational division.
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I have never ever said any oilers are going to have career years. But yes our young talent will do better each and every year. Not sure where you are getting that from. It works like that on all teams that the young get better.
Why are you saying we will be better this year, meanwhile saying we wont make the playoffs????


I don't know if the Oilers are a lock. A long term injury to McDavid and you will be hard pressed to make the playoffs. Campbell gets hurt or plays like he did in the 2nd half of last season and you will struggle. The Oilers are 1 or 2 injuries away from being a bottom 3rd team.
 
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