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Pageau

Créé par: Lancebmx
Équipe: 2022-23 Red Wings de Detroit
Date de création initiale: 14 août 2022
Publié: 14 août 2022
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
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21 400 000 $
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  1. Pageau, Jean-Gabriel
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Would something like this be worth while for the Wings? Both players put up similar points but I think JGP is better defensively and far superior in the faceoff circle. He is older but costs more and seems like they might need a bit of cap space this year. I wonder if a trade like this would benefit both clubs? Islanders get 3.3M in cap space so that don't have to potentially pay to dump Bailey or trade Beau. Varlamov might still be on the move for them but I think they want to keep that tandem.
NYI
  1. Suter, Pius (1 625 000 $ retained)
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Might be a pick or something added one way or the other, minor details. Maybe a player like McIsaac or a third round pick? I'm not sure on the value of JGP right now.
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14 août 2022 à 17 h 16
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Pageau has real value and won’t be traded for scraps
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Pageau has real value and won’t be traded for scraps


Yes if you read any of it I would add picks as needed. Thanks for your super valuable input.
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14 août 2022 à 17 h 18
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Yes if you read any of it I would add picks as needed. Thanks for your super valuable input.


I mean this is a non-starter.
14 août 2022 à 17 h 18
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Yes if you read any of it I would add picks as needed. Thanks for your super valuable input.


Suter doesn’t have any value. That’s a non-starter.
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14 août 2022 à 17 h 20
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Quoting: Isles5513
Pageau has real value and won’t be traded for scraps


laugh Sorry but Suter isn't scraps, Just shows what little you know about other teams players.
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14 août 2022 à 17 h 20
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Hm, depends if they (NYI) can sign Kadri. If they can then JGP will probably be available for what you mentioned in your trade comment.
14 août 2022 à 17 h 21
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Quoting: Isles5513
Suter doesn’t have any value. That’s a non-starter.


Yeah right a player who just put up 27 and 36 points in respective years has no value, What a joke Suter would return a late 2nd or early 3rd that's hardly no value. shakes head
14 août 2022 à 17 h 22
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I have no idea how much the Islanders value Pageau but if you are going to put him on the 3rd line why not resign Suter? I don't think he gets $5M on his next contract, he's 3yrs younger and has had very similar production over the last couple of seasons.
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14 août 2022 à 17 h 24
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laugh Sorry but Suter isn't scraps, Just shows what little you know about other teams players.


He went to isles camp a few years ago. I like him but compared to Pageau he’s scraps.
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14 août 2022 à 17 h 26
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Yeah right a player who just put up 27 and 36 points in respective years has no value, What a joke Suter would return a late 2nd or early 3rd that's hardly no value. shakes head


When I saw him in NY he wasn’t good defensively and struggled at the dot. I felt like if he’s a third line wing he’s fine, but I wouldn’t trust him as a top 9 pivot tbh.
14 août 2022 à 17 h 27
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I have no idea how much the Islanders value Pageau but if you are going to put him on the 3rd line why not resign Suter? I don't think he gets $5M on his next contract, he's 3yrs younger and has had very similar production over the last couple of seasons.


Huge difference between the two on the pk and with faceoffs
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14 août 2022 à 17 h 27
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Quoting: Isles5513
He went to isles camp a few years ago. I like him but compared to Pageau he’s scraps.


I agree he doesn't have the value of Pageau, But he's hardly scraps he's a hard working 3C that's put in a 2C role in Detroit. At least now he's in a position where he should thrive.
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I have no idea how much the Islanders value Pageau but if you are going to put him on the 3rd line why not resign Suter? I don't think he gets $5M on his next contract, he's 3yrs younger and has had very similar production over the last couple of seasons.


He's far superior in the faceoff circle and quite a bit better defensively that's why. A third line with JGP and Copp would be very tough to play against in the long term future. That's kind of where my thought process is.
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I agree he doesn't have the value of Pageau, But he's hardly scraps he's a hard working 3C that's put in a 2C role in Detroit. At least now he's in a position where he should thrive.


He doesn’t have much value. He’s kind of a tweener tbh.
14 août 2022 à 17 h 28
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He's far superior in the faceoff circle and quite a bit better defensively that's why. A third line with JGP and Copp would be very tough to play against in the long term future. That's kind of where my thought process is.


Cool but the isles have no interest in moving him for that level of return.
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14 août 2022 à 17 h 30
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Huge difference between the two on the pk and with faceoffs


I think the difference favours JGP by quite a bit in faceoffs and defence. Suter got better defensively last season but still not JGP good. But the difference is JGP makes 5M and Suter half retained is only 1.625M. So you would get the lesser player but with quite a bit less of a cap hit. In not opposed to adding a pick to the deal, this is kind of thinking of Kadri is signed by the islanders which seems like it's almost a sure thing.
14 août 2022 à 17 h 31
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Quoting: Isles5513
Cool but the isles have no interest in moving him for that level of return.


And Detroit isn't retaining on Suter while taking on a more expensive Pageau either.
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And Detroit isn't retaining on Suter while taking on a more expensive Pageau either.


But Pageau is better so the isles don’t have any interest
14 août 2022 à 17 h 33
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I think the difference favours JGP by quite a bit in faceoffs and defence. Suter got better defensively last season but still not JGP good. But the difference is JGP makes 5M and Suter half retained is only 1.625M. So you would get the lesser player but with quite a bit less of a cap hit. In not opposed to adding a pick to the deal, this is kind of thinking of Kadri is signed by the islanders which seems like it's almost a sure thing.


The idea the islanders need to sell low on JGP makes no sense to me. They have multiple assets with real value at premium positions. I’m not worried about them tbh.
14 août 2022 à 17 h 34
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But Pageau is better so the isles don’t have any interest


Fine both teams pass, Detroit's not giving up Suter he'd be a perfect fit on the 3rd line 3C role with Kubalik and Zadina/Berggren.
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Fine both teams pass, Detroit's not giving up Suter he'd be a perfect fit on the 3rd line 3C role with Kubalik and Zadina/Berggren.


No line with Pius Suter is perfect.
14 août 2022 à 17 h 38
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isles would have to be real hard up for cap space to do this.
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14 août 2022 à 17 h 42
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isles would have to be real hard up for cap space to do this.


NHL Fans: Isles need to clear salary. I’d be interested in Pageau, Beauvillier, and Varlamov.

Isles Fans: So what r u offering?

NHL Fans: A bag of blue pucks.

Isles fans: 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️
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14 août 2022 à 17 h 55
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Quoting: Isles5513
NHL Fans: Isles need to clear salary. I’d be interested in Pageau, Beauvillier, and Varlamov.

Isles Fans: So what r u offering?

NHL Fans: A bag of blue pucks.

Isles fans: 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️


NHL situation : top team in a cap disaster
NHL top team fans wish : Still fleecing the league
NHL reality : Only habs and panthers manage their cap without freaking around like Vegas or Tampa ...!

Suter ++ as offered is a start no matter what complain Isle fans can mention here. Even in a Varlamov trade they are looking for a 1st ... geez. The reality check will be hard ...
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14 août 2022 à 18 h 0
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NHL situation : top team in a cap disaster
NHL top team fans wish : Still fleecing the league
NHL reality : Only habs and panthers manage their cap without freaking around like Vegas or Tampa ...!

Suter ++ as offered is a start no matter what complain Isle fans can mention here. Even in a Varlamov trade they are looking for a 1st ... geez. The reality check will be hard ...


Lmao I don’t think any of us actually think we will get a first. Only reason they would get one is if Vegas can’t send a backup to NY.
 
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