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How to Get Crouse

Créé par: earl08
Équipe: 2022-23 Avalanche du Colorado
Date de création initiale: 14 août 2022
Publié: 14 août 2022
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14 août 2022 à 8 h 9
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This is a case where trading a dman for a forward would probably be a huge mistake.
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14 août 2022 à 8 h 17
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I’d rather have Crouse if i’m Zona.

Fair offer though.
14 août 2022 à 8 h 18
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Holy overpay. Girard himself is worth way more. Crouse is one of the most overrated players in the NHL.
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14 août 2022 à 8 h 19
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Holy overpay. Girard himself is worth way more. Crouse is one of the most overrated players in the NHL.


So is Girard
14 août 2022 à 8 h 20
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So is Girard


He's a good but not special top 4 defenseman. Crouse is an overpaid 3rd line winger.
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14 août 2022 à 8 h 21
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Quoting: GMBL
This is a case where trading a dman for a forward would probably be a huge mistake.


Crouse boarded Perry then fought Maroon. That alone is worth Kaut!
14 août 2022 à 8 h 23
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Crouse boarded Perry then fought Maroon. That alone is worth Kaut!


One might say that taking on his cap hit is worth Kaut as well.
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14 août 2022 à 8 h 25
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I hate this. Crouse is overpaid and not worth Girard even if he wasn't.
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14 août 2022 à 8 h 39
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Guys don't usually sign 5 year deals and then get traded a week later. Good recipe to never have anyone sign a long term contract again.
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14 août 2022 à 9 h 14
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Guys don't usually sign 5 year deals and then get traded a week later. Good recipe to never have anyone sign a long term contract again.


yeah, Crouse gonna be bummed going to the Stanley Cup Champions
14 août 2022 à 9 h 19
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Quoting: Gofnut999
I’d rather have Crouse if i’m Zona.

Fair offer though.


good young dmen have a lot of value. look at what boston paid.
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14 août 2022 à 9 h 26
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good young dmen have a lot of value. look at what boston paid.


I would not call Lindholm young at 28. He’s also considerably better than Girard.

I did not say anything about value, i said Zona would prefer to have Crouse over Girard. In the same vain that Boston would rather have Carlo than trade him for JT Miller (you can stop Nucks fans) even though JT is better player. Roster makeup matters.

I’d still rather have a 20g 200hit big power forward over a 5’10 170 30pt puck mover. Especially with Zona having Chycrun and Ghost.
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I would not call Lindholm young at 28. He’s also considerably better than Girard.

I’d still rather have a 20g 200hit big power forward over a 5’10 170 30pt puck mover. Especially with Zona having Chycrun and Ghost.


he's not that much better to he honest. boston gave up a 1st round prospect, a 1st, 2x 2nds and even took a cap dump. significantly more than the crouse equivalent.
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he's not that much better to he honest. boston have up a 1st round prospect, a 1st, 2x 2nds and even took a cap dump. significantly more than the crouse equivalent.



Lindholm is quite a bit better than Girard who is basically Grizz. As i said above, Girard is vastly overrated on this site. The fact that he has played as an NHL top 4 for a few years now and still 23 with a decent contract contributes to that. But in the end the numbers and metrics don’t add up to the perception.

One of those 2nds was to take Moore.

Without Moore the deal would have been 1st/Urho/3rd.

Zona was asking for 1st plus for Crouse at the deadline.
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Lindholm is quite a bit better than Girard who is basically Grizz. As i said above, Girard is vastly overrated on this site. The fact that he has played as an NHL top 4 for a few years now and still 23 with a decent contract contributes to that. But in the end the numbers and metrics don’t add up to the perception.

One of those 2nds was to take Moore.


lindholm is very overrated. he's not the dman he used to be.



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lindholm is very overrated. he's not the dman he used to be.





They are both good, but I think Girard has more value, as he is locked up through his prime, whereas Lindholm will likely decline during his next deal.

I actually think Girard is underrated on this site. He has always been behind a Barrie or Makar and doesn't get the type of favorable deployment or PP1 time that would boost his point totals. When Cale was hurt a couple years ago, Girard put himself in the Norris conversation for a time.

Avs don't want to move him. But if they did, they would certainly ask for a similar or perhaps better package than what Lindholm brought. Everyone can opine on whether they'd pay it, and that's all well and good, but that's what I think it would take to get him.
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14 août 2022 à 11 h 48
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I hate this. Crouse is overpaid and not worth Girard even if he wasn't.


I think he has Nuke potential. He already gets a lot of D zone starts and averages 2m/game of PK. His skating is much improved from a few years ago. He is a decent fighter. Crouse has that natural size and strength.

He's the new NHL version of a power forward and the Avs would have to overpay to get him.
14 août 2022 à 12 h 32
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I think he has Nuke potential. He already gets a lot of D zone starts and averages 2m/game of PK. His skating is much improved from a few years ago. He is a decent fighter. Crouse has that natural size and strength.

He's the new NHL version of a power forward and the Avs would have to overpay to get him.


I don't dislike Crouse. I kinda wanted him at the deadline, just not for the asking price. In any case, there is a ton of risk with him. If he doesn't not only replicate last season but also build on it, then his contract stinks. Girard is a sure thing. You can argue he's expendable (I'd disagree but can at least see the justification). But if he were moved, I would hope it's for either another sure thing or some really good futures.
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They are both good, but I think Girard has more value, as he is locked up through his prime, whereas Lindholm will likely decline during his next deal.

I actually think Girard is underrated on this site. He has always been behind a Barrie or Makar and doesn't get the type of favorable deployment or PP1 time that would boost his point totals. When Cale was hurt a couple years ago, Girard put himself in the Norris conversation for a time.

Avs don't want to move him. But if they did, they would certainly ask for a similar or perhaps better package than what Lindholm brought. Everyone can opine on whether they'd pay it, and that's all well and good, but that's what I think it would take to get him.


id say girard is underrated by habs fans and overrated by everyone else.
14 août 2022 à 18 h 14
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I don't dislike Crouse. I kinda wanted him at the deadline, just not for the asking price. In any case, there is a ton of risk with him. If he doesn't not only replicate last season but also build on it, then his contract stinks. Girard is a sure thing. You can argue he's expendable (I'd disagree but can at least see the justification). But if he were moved, I would hope it's for either another sure thing or some really good futures.


Keep in mind, Sean Behrens will be a sophomore and if he signs for the playoffs, there's your Girard replacement. Plays a similar, puck moving style. Not as quick, but is WAY more physical. I wonder if he has that Pat Verbeek hatred in his blood.
 
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