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Équipe: 2022-23 Wild du Minnesota
Date de création initiale: 13 août 2022
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13 août 2022 à 21 h 19
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Fits fine this year, but the dead cap is up 2m, and the cap might only be up like 1m, and Kerfoot's hit could be anywhere from 500k to 2m higher. If Dumba's hit is replaced by a 3m AAV, they probably still don't have enough to go around for pay raises.
13 août 2022 à 21 h 23
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Minnesota doesn't have cap. Jost KS cheaper and has played everywhere in lineup. Minnesota declines
13 août 2022 à 21 h 35
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Quoting: GMBL
Fits fine this year, but the dead cap is up 2m, and the cap might only be up like 1m, and Kerfoot's hit could be anywhere from 500k to 2m higher. If Dumba's hit is replaced by a 3m AAV, they probably still don't have enough to go around for pay raises.


You let Kerfoot walk.

More than likely next year they don’t qualify Jost anyways
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13 août 2022 à 21 h 35
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Minnesota doesn't have cap. Jost KS cheaper and has played everywhere in lineup. Minnesota declines


There is another 1mil to work with.
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13 août 2022 à 21 h 41
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Just for those who think Kerfoot is more expensive

Hes making 750k in actual dollars

As for this trade I dont mind it but man going for a RFA negotiation with Jost could be a nightmare. Also havent really been impressed with him

Im keeping an eye on VGK as now that they got cap space they may want to go get a rental like Kerfoot
13 août 2022 à 21 h 41
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You let Kerfoot walk.

More than likely next year they don’t qualify Jost anyways


Jost is an rfa though, they don't qualify/sign him if he's not worth it based of his performance which includes next season. If he breaks out, then the have the option to retain him/flip him for a cost controlled option+assets potentially. So, making that Kerfoot trade just takes away potential options for a 1-year upgrade that probably won't make much of a difference. They are better off holding Jost, and with accrued cap adding to the team/significantly upgrading Jost around the deadline.

I think the Leafs are better off trading Kerfoot for an AHLer who is potentially NHL ready or close enough that he might play towards the end with low key top 6/middle 6 potential or a cost controlled NHL RHD anyways or someone like Jost but with a lower hit and maybe more term.
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Jost is an rfa though, they don't qualify/sign him if he's not worth it based of his performance which includes next season. If he breaks out, then the have the option to retain him/flip him for a cost controlled option+assets potentially. So, making that Kerfoot trade just takes away potential options for a 1-year upgrade that probably won't make much of a difference. They are better off holding Jost, and with accrued cap adding to the team/significantly upgrading Jost around the deadline.


This is basically the Nico Sturm trade but in reverse. COL let Nico walk and I’ll be very surprised regardless of how Jost plays MIN retains him next year. They will not qualify him.

Just a thought
13 août 2022 à 21 h 49
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There is another 1mil to work with.


1 mil doesn't mean much. Minnesota isn't the place to dump cap on
13 août 2022 à 21 h 53
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1 mil doesn't mean much. Minnesota isn't the place to dump cap on


😂 nobody is dumping cap, the Wild’s PK was terrible, Kerfoot would be a welcomed addition to help that out.

This roster has two scratches plus a mil. 😂 that’s more then half the NHL
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13 août 2022 à 21 h 54
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This is basically the Nico Sturm trade but in reverse. COL let Nico walk and I’ll be very surprised regardless of how Jost plays MIN retains him next year. They will not qualify him.

Just a thought


If he does break out though, they can qualify him since his QFO is relatively low, and then flip him for a small package similar to what they were forced to do with Fiala, something small is better than nothing.

The bigger reason though is that Jost's 2m+2m cap atm+accrued cap might translate to space for a much more impactful rental than Kerfoot.
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13 août 2022 à 22 h 1
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If he does break out though, they can qualify him since his QFO is relatively low, and then flip him for a small package similar to what they were forced to do with Fiala, something small is better than nothing.

The bigger reason though is that Jost's 2m+2m cap atm+accrued cap might translate to space for a much more impactful rental than Kerfoot.


We just witnessed Strome, Kubalik, just to name two, pretty good hockey players go unqualified. My guess is Jost will not be qualified next season especially with the great depth the Wild have with their prospects.

Yes as a Leaf fan Kerfoot needs to be moved but by no means is he a dump. I see this move actually helping both teams,

But all good if you don’t
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13 août 2022 à 22 h 14
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We just witnessed Strome, Kubalik, just to name two, pretty good hockey players go unqualified. My guess is Jost will not be qualified next season especially with the great depth the Wild have with their prospects.

Yes as a Leaf fan Kerfoot needs to be moved but by no means is he a dump. I see this move actually helping both teams,

But all good if you don’t


Yeah, I don't think Kerfoot is a dump (since he's a good player and they don't need to clear his entire hit yet) and Jost isn't all that valuable, so perhaps if they could get a 3rd team, to retain for a 3rd to make it cap neutral or close it would be worth it for Minn.

As for Strome and Kubalik, their QFOs were 4m and 3.5m i think, and CHI didn't want them, and probably couldn't trade them, so i don't think it's the same scenario. They also both signed for less than their QO because of the cap squeeze.

So, if teams in general are less cap strapped next season, Jost could easily be qualified if he was as good as Strome was last season, since his QFO is 2.25m.
13 août 2022 à 22 h 22
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😂 nobody is dumping cap, the Wild’s PK was terrible, Kerfoot would be a welcomed addition to help that out.

This roster has two scratches plus a mil. 😂 that’s more then half the NHL


Yeah you are forgetting Minnesota has Marco Rossi and Beckman needing room. Just because a team was bad at something for one year doesn't mean cap dump like Kerfoot changes anything. It's the system. It's OK to accept no. Better player's have been dumped or given away for zero value. MIN pk was one of the best besides thus year
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Yeah, I don't think Kerfoot is a dump (since he's a good player and they don't need to clear his entire hit yet) and Jost isn't all that valuable, so perhaps if they could get a 3rd team, to retain for a 3rd to make it cap neutral or close it would be worth it for Minn.

As for Strome and Kubalik, their QFOs were 4m and 3.5m i think, and CHI didn't want them, and probably couldn't trade them, so i don't think it's the same scenario. They also both signed for less than their QO because of the cap squeeze.

So, if teams in general are less cap strapped next season, Jost could easily be qualified if he was as good as Strome was last season, since his QFO is 2.25m.


Well, Strome ended up signing for 3.5 but absolutely Kubalik’s qualify offer played a reason.

I just don’t see MIN spending 2mil on Jost. They’ve got better cheaper prospects on ELC they can use next season.

Time will tell tho
13 août 2022 à 22 h 24
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Yeah you are forgetting Minnesota has Marco Rossi and Beckman needing room. Just because a team was bad at something for one year doesn't mean cap dump like Kerfoot changes anything. It's the system. It's OK to accept no



They are both on this roster 🤷‍♂️
13 août 2022 à 22 h 28
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They are both on this roster 🤷‍♂️


They aren't. Rossi will have a top 4 role. Beckman will have a top 4 role also if he takes it. You are forgetting our 1st line and 3rd lines are set

Kaprizov, Hartman, Zuccarello
2nd lines: Boldy, Freddy G(Rossi), Beckman
Boldy, Rossi, Beckman
3rd lines: greenway, Joel Eriksson ek, foligno
4th: Duhaime , dewar, Jost
13 août 2022 à 22 h 46
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Well, Strome ended up signing for 3.5 but absolutely Kubalik’s qualify offer played a reason.

I just don’t see MIN spending 2mil on Jost. They’ve got better cheaper prospects on ELC they can use next season.

Time will tell tho


Oh I do expect them to move on from him even if he's a PPG since he would be priced out (or just not worth it) but if he's worth much more than his QFO, they will probably need to qualify him before being able to trade him depending on how much he will get with a raise, teams may want to compare his ask with the FA and internal options first.
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Oh I do expect them to move on from him even if he's a PPG since he would be priced out (or just not worth it) but if he's worth much more than his QFO, they will probably need to qualify him before being able to trade him depending on how much he will get with a raise, teams may want to compare his ask with the FA and internal options first.


He got traded for Nico Sturm who COL let walk. I like Nico’s game but I’d temper expectations if you believe Jost will return anything positive other than a 1v1 swap
13 août 2022 à 23 h 12
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He got traded for Nico Sturm who COL let walk. I like Nico’s game but I’d temper expectations if you believe Jost will return anything positive other than a 1v1 swap


Need to see him play first, if he gets traded now or after a similar season, he isn't returning much/anything. If he breaks out and gets traded next season, he will return something even if it is small.
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13 août 2022 à 23 h 24
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Just for those who think Kerfoot is more expensive

Hes making 750k in actual dollars

As for this trade I dont mind it but man going for a RFA negotiation with Jost could be a nightmare. Also havent really been impressed with him

Im keeping an eye on VGK as now that they got cap space they may want to go get a rental like Kerfoot


Neither team cares what the "actual" dollars are for the player. The only thing that truly matters is cap hit.
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13 août 2022 à 23 h 32
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Need to see him play first, if he gets traded now or after a similar season, he isn't returning much/anything. If he breaks out and gets traded next season, he will return something even if it is small.


With a healthy roster, I’d be very surprised if he is not on the 4th line. Going to be tough to show or put up points. I’m with you, everyone is waiting to see if he can transform his scoring highlights from the BCHL to the NHL. But at 24 (going into his 6th season) and a career high of 15 points, this might be all he is.

At least Kerfoot has proven he can play with skilled players and produce. 🤷‍♂️

On to the next team 😂 to try and move Kerfoot
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14 août 2022 à 0 h 36
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I think this is a pretty solid deal for both sides from an outside perspective
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Neither team cares what the "actual" dollars are for the player. The only thing that truly matters is cap hit.


There are teams that care about saving actual money due to not making alot of money. As there's a thing called an internal budget and yes Kerfoot's cap hit is higher but he is the cheaper player in this scenario

Cap hits dont matter to most teams who got the space to add it what mostly matters is the money. Kerfoot despite having a 3.5mill cap hit is making league min. To a team needing to reach the floor or wanting to add some cheap good talent there you go. As who can pass on a 750k making 50 point getter

And in Minnie's case they would take the cheaper Kerfoot even with a 1.5mill higher cap hit lul especially when you consider Jost is making 2.25mill this season yikes
14 août 2022 à 14 h 11
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There are teams that care about saving actual money due to not making alot of money. As there's a thing called an internal budget and yes Kerfoot's cap hit is higher but he is the cheaper player in this scenario

Cap hits dont matter to most teams who got the space to add it what mostly matters is the money. Kerfoot despite having a 3.5mill cap hit is making league min. To a team needing to reach the floor or wanting to add some cheap good talent there you go. As who can pass on a 750k making 50 point getter

And in Minnie's case they would take the cheaper Kerfoot even with a 1.5mill higher cap hit lul especially when you consider Jost is making 2.25mill this season yikes


You obviously have no clue what you are talking about if you think Minnesota cares about “actual” dollars more than cap hits at the moment.

Go talk to Arizona.
14 août 2022 à 14 h 33
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You obviously have no clue what you are talking about if you think Minnesota cares about “actual” dollars more than cap hits at the moment.

Go talk to Arizona.


Clearly you dont understand so I will need to explain

If Minissota was offered Kerfoot for Jost in a 1 for 1 they would take it in a heartbeat. Jost is owed 2.25mill this year while Kerfoot only makes 750k

As despite having the higher cap hit he is the far better player. If ownership found out the GM rejected that kind of trade he would be fired as when will be the next time you can get a 50point player who you only got to pay 750k the answer almost never lul

And whats good Kerfoot's a UFA in a year so once hes gone the Wild gain 3.5mill in cap space and if they dont like him let him walk rather than sit in an Arb hearing that could give him more than hes worth.

But either way its not up to us its up to the real GM and hes shown in the past hes not afraid to do moves like the one suggested so its a wait and see. But either way having 12mill in dead cap doesnt give a lot of wiggle room rip
 
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