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rebuild

Créé par: Wings1
Date de création initiale: 11 août 2022
Publié: 11 août 2022
Équipe: 2022-23 Red Wings de Detroit
Transactions
1.
DET
  1. Puljujärvi, Jesse
  2. Janmark, Mattias
EDM
  1. Erne, Adam
  2. Zadina, Filip [Droits de RFA]
Détails additionnels:
save money for kessal or Subban as reported
2.
DET
  1. Barzal, Mathew
  2. Bellows, Kieffer [Droits de RFA]
  3. 2023 4e round pick (NYI)
NYI
  1. Vrána, Jakub
  2. Veleno, Joseph
  3. 2025 1e round pick (DET)
  4. 2023 2e round pick (STL)
Rachats de contrats
  • Justin Abdelkader: 2 305 556 $
  • Frans Nielsen: 500 000 $
Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire
  • Richard Pánik: 1 375 000 $ (50%)
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2582 500 000 $78 153 889 $0 $4 200 000 $4 346 111 $
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Copp, Andrew
5 625 000 $
AG, AD, C
NTC
UFA - 5
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Larkin, Dylan
6 100 000 $
C
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UFA - 1
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Perron, David
4 750 000 $
AD, AG
NTC
UFA - 2
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Bertuzzi, Tyler
4 750 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 1
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Barzal, Mathew
7 000 000 $
C
RFA - 1
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Raymond, Lucas
925 000 $
AD, AG
RFA - 2
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Kubalik, Dominik
2 500 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 2
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Suter, Pius
3 250 000 $
C, AG
UFA - 1
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Puljujärvi, Jesse
3 000 000 $
AD
RFA - 1
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Janmark, Mattias
1 250 000 $
AG, C
UFA - 1
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Rasmussen, Michael
1 460 000 $
C, AG
RFA - 2
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Berggren, Jonatan
925 000 $
C, AD
RFA - 2
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Sundqvist, Oskar
2 750 000 $
C, AD
UFA - 1
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
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Chiarot, Ben
4 750 000 $
DG/DD
NTC
UFA - 4
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Hronek, Filip
4 400 000 $
DD
RFA - 2
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Husso, Ville
4 750 000 $
G
NTC
UFA - 3
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Määttä, Olli
2 250 000 $
DG
UFA - 1
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Seider, Moritz
863 333 $
DD
RFA - 2
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Nedeljkovic, Alex
3 000 000 $
G
UFA - 1
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Edvinsson, Simon
925 000 $
DG
RFA - 3
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Lindström, Gustav
850 000 $
DD
RFA - 1
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Kampfer, Steven
750 000 $
DD
UFA - 1
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
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Walman, Jake
1 050 000 $
DG
UFA - 1
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Fabbri, Robby
4 000 000 $
AG, C
UFA - 3
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Pysyk, Mark
850 000 $
DD, AD
UFA - 1
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Oesterle, Jordan
1 350 000 $
DG/DD
UFA - 1
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Smith, Givani
750 000 $
AG
RFA - 1

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11 août à 10 h 0
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No thanks. I love Barzal, but that is NOT a good return.

Barzal is a career .61 points per game player, Vrana is a .58

I know Barzal is a center, so obviously he has more value, but I'd say Vrana and an A- asset is equal to Barzal. Veleno is worth more than Bellows.

The high picks going back, make no sense to a Detroit team that is trying to build the right way, while also giving up one of our best scoring threats.
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11 août à 10 h 3
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Quoting: DeadWingsv2
No thanks. I love Barzal, but that is NOT a good return.

Barzal is a career .61 points per game player, Vrana is a .58

I know Barzal is a center, so obviously he has more value, but I'd say Vrana and an A- asset is equal to Barzal. Veleno is worth more than Bellows.

The high picks going back, make no sense to a Detroit team that is trying to build the right way, while also giving up one of our best scoring threats.


Vrana is older, less productive and plays a less valuable position than Barzal. The dude came into the league as a PPG player and his numbers only declined because of Barry Trotz and Lou’s poor personnel decisions. These low ball offers are beyond ridiculous and they need to stop lmao.
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11 août à 10 h 6
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The idea the Isles would take this is beyond ridiculous. Would take a top prospect, a good young player and a first in this years draft for us to even begin to have this discussion. This offer is laughable. Barzal warrants an Eichel level return and this package might be less than JT Miller will be worth at the deadline.
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11 août à 10 h 15
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This is a terrible trade for the isles
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11 août à 10 h 43
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This is a bad trade for the islanders, they will get a better return. Also Detroit shouldn't do this as that pick will be far more valuable.
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11 août à 11 h 6
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Vrana is older, less productive and plays a less valuable position than Barzal. The dude came into the league as a PPG player and his numbers only declined because of Barry Trotz and Lou’s poor personnel decisions. These low ball offers are beyond ridiculous and they need to stop lmao.

That's completely fair from an Isles perspective. Value is kinda irrelevant, as I was just stating that the trade doesn't make sense for Detroit.

I think we can both agree this trade doesn't make sense either way.
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11 août à 11 h 9
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That's completely fair from an Isles perspective. Value is kinda irrelevant, as I was just stating that the trade doesn't make sense for Detroit.

I think we can both agree this trade doesn't make sense either way.


Agreed. I don’t think Detroit is any position to be buyers on the trade market. Isles aren’t in a spot to be buyers either imo.

But the value is horrendous lmao.
11 août à 12 h 31
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Quoting: Isles5513
Agreed. I don’t think Detroit is any position to be buyers on the trade market. Isles aren’t in a spot to be buyers either imo.

But the value is horrendous lmao.


While this is not nearly enough for Barzal, the price to actually acquire him is not nearly worth the player you'd be getting. He is far more valuable to the Isles than the team who would be acquiring him.
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11 août à 12 h 36
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While this is not nearly enough for Barzal, the price to actually acquire him is not nearly worth the player you'd be getting. He is far more valuable to the Isles than the team who would be acquiring him.


I kind of get what ur saying but it entirely depends on who is inquiring about him
11 août à 13 h 16
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I kind of get what ur saying but it entirely depends on who is inquiring about him


There's a very short list of teams that would benefit from obtaining Barzal at the perceived price (high 1st, top prospect, young roster player, etc). And of that short list, none of them can afford this $7M+ AAV

Barzal is a good 2C; he's a perimeter player. Aside from his first full year in the league, he's been pretty mundane. The Isles NEED to keep him - they don't want another JT situation or they'll never fill the building again. Hence, the price to acquire will be far higher than he's actually worth.
11 août à 13 h 23
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There's a very short list of teams that would benefit from obtaining Barzal at the perceived price (high 1st, top prospect, young roster player, etc). And of that short list, none of them can afford this $7M+ AAV

Barzal is a good 2C; he's a perimeter player. Aside from his first full year in the league, he's been pretty mundane. The Isles NEED to keep him - they don't want another JT situation or they'll never fill the building again. Hence, the price to acquire will be far higher than he's actually worth.


He’s not a 2C or a perimeter player. But his production under trotz has been similar to that. He’s actually very good about creating opportunities but he has no help around him and had terrible puck luck last year.
11 août à 13 h 27
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He’s not a 2C or a perimeter player. But his production under trotz has been similar to that. He’s actually very good about creating opportunities but he has no help around him and had terrible puck luck last year.


He's absolutely a perimeter player.

GMs don't care about puck luck when they're trading for assets.
11 août à 13 h 27
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Edmonton declines. I like Jesse more than any of the other pieces mentioned (including Kessel).
11 août à 13 h 44
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He's absolutely a perimeter player.

GMs don't care about puck luck when they're trading for assets.


He’s not a shooter if that’s what you mean. It’s hard to go to the net tho when ur the first guy into the zone and none of ur linemates can keep up. He generates a lot of 1 on 2’s but not a lot of 2 on 1’s lmao.
12 août à 0 h 46
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I don't like it for either team as it is. Vrana and Barzal are guys you'd want to pair up, not trade each other for.

Do another one OP! I'd love to see Barzal in our uniform.
 
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