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My Top 20 Centres

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Date de création initiale: 9 août 2022
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This was inspired by the countless Leaf arguments over Tavares and just how good he is or isn’t.

For the record I’m counting Stamkos as a centre since he’s spent a majority of his career as a centre.

I have 10 others listed in scratches who I would say are in some order the next 10 although I’m not set on the order. If you don’t see a name it doesn’t mean I think he sucks. I’m well aware Malkin and Backstrom are still very capable veterans. I’m well aware of Zegras and Hughes and their ability.
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9 août 2022 à 17 h 21
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I feel like Robert Thomas doesn’t have a big enough sample size to be top 20
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Krejci is hard to determine as he is one year removed from his last NHL game. As for the rest, I think kuznetsov aho and miller are too high and Hintz barzal and petty are too low imo. The rest is pretty solid. Good job with the list.
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9 août 2022 à 17 h 32
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@OldHabsFan61 if Eichel returns to Eichel next year does he jump top 7/8 where we probably would have had him before the whole neck thing went down? He was always up there with Barkov, honestly id rather him not be good again but thats my sabres bias lmao
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9 août 2022 à 17 h 33
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Hintz is too high. Thomas is too high. Kuznetsov I suspect is too high, but did have a bounce back season.

MIller is way to high as he's as much a winger (or more) than a C

I like to knock on Barzal, but he's too low

Scheifele is a flawed player but he's like 5th in points in the last 5 years, he's too low

O'Reilly and Kopitar are likely declining so they're like a bit too high, but I don't really have issues with their placements
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9 août 2022 à 17 h 33
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I’d say Eichel, Zibanejad, and maybe Point should be ahead of O’Reilly. O’Reilly’s defensive game is great, but the other 3 have much higher offensive ability. But it’s close.
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9 août 2022 à 17 h 36
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Krejci is hard to determine as he is one year removed from his last NHL game. As for the rest, I think kuznetsov aho and miller are too high and Hintz barzal and petty are too low imo. The rest is pretty solid. Good job with the list.


I wouldn’t have Krejci in the top 20 centers list now, but he could very well be a point per game player this year given the players he’ll probably play with. For comparison, that is higher than a lot of centers ahead of him on this list.
9 août 2022 à 17 h 39
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I wouldn’t have Krejci in the top 20 centers list now, but he could very well be a point per game player this year given the players he’ll probably play with. For comparison, that is higher than a lot of centers ahead of him on this list.


You do know almost every player here could be point per game next year right? You’re comparing what krejci could do next year to what the other centers did last year. Krejci could be PPG or he could put up 40 points. Hence my point of how him not playing last year makes him unpredictable and why I wouldn’t have him in the top 30 (which is where he has him ranked)
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this is a decent list
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9 août 2022 à 17 h 45
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Quoting: Cardiac
You do know almost every player here could be point per game next year right? You’re comparing what krejci could do next year to what the other centers did last year. Krejci could be PPG or he could put up 40 points. Hence my point of how him not playing last year makes him unpredictable and why I wouldn’t have him in the top 30 (which is where he has him ranked)


Oh yeah that is top 30 not 20. But that placement inside the top 30 makes sense. If he is near a ppg he should be about there on the list (30 or something), but if not, he is for sure outside the top 30. There are of course many great centers in this league, but that is where Krejci could be.
9 août 2022 à 18 h 0
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Quoting: Juiceman
I feel like Robert Thomas doesn’t have a big enough sample size to be top 20


can say the same for JT miller being in the top 10 outside of this season his 3 best years production wise were
2020-21 53gp 46p
2019-20 69gp 72p
2017-18 82gp 58p
204gp 176p
that is an average of 71 points per 82gp that does not warrant a top 10 selection when his best year came from a ridiculously high scoring season that hasn't happened in over a decade and is bound to not happen again for a while.

not to mention Miller really isn't that good defensively and chooses when he wants to try or just half ass his way because his temper gets to him. not to mention a vast majority of Miller's points came from secondary assists 31 of his 67 assists to be exact

if im choosing a center to lead my team in PO's in hopes of a cup im selecting
Point/ Zib/ Thomas/ Lindholm/ Hintz/ Barzal/ Larkin/ Hertl/ Petey over miller all them are much more individually skilled a lot of them much more well rounded

i got to watch quite a few cancuks games this season due to working at a bar and canadian teams games always being on their was a handful of guys on that team that stuck out more and had more of an overall impact on the game then miller did most nights

he started off the year 60p in 42 gp and ended the year 39p 42gp
with multiple 2-3 game periods of not getting a point the consistency just isn't there for someone who is being talked of as a top 10 center

miller is career 70-75 point guy with average defensively skills he isn't a top 10 center nor is he a top 15 center their is lots of center that due what he does, 1 outlier season doesn't make him anymore special then the rest of them
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can say the same for JT miller being in the top 10 outside of this season his 3 best years production wise were
2020-21 53gp 46p
2019-20 69gp 72p
2017-18 82gp 58p
204gp 176p
that is an average of 71 points per 82gp that does not warrant a top 10 selection when his best year came from a ridiculously high scoring season that hasn't happened in over a decade and is bound to not happen again for a while.

not to mention Miller really isn't that good defensively and chooses when he wants to try or just half ass his way because his temper gets to him. not to mention a vast majority of Miller's points came from secondary assists 31 of his 67 assists to be exact

if im choosing a center to lead my team in PO's in hopes of a cup im selecting
Point/ Zib/ Thomas/ Lindholm/ Hintz/ Barzal/ Larkin/ Hertl/ Petey over miller all them are much more individually skilled a lot of them much more well rounded

i got to watch quite a few cancuks games this season due to working at a bar and canadian teams games always being on their was a handful of guys on that team that stuck out more and had more of an overall impact on the game then miller did most nights

he started off the year 60p in 42 gp and ended the year 39p 42gp
with multiple 2-3 game periods of not getting a point the consistency just isn't there for someone who is being talked of as a top 10 center

miller is career 70-75 point guy with average defensively skills he isn't a top 10 center nor is he a top 15 center their is lots of center that due what he does, 1 outlier season doesn't make him anymore special then the rest of them


Career wise, I agree he isn’t a top 10 center. If we are going by this year, then it’s a whole different story. He had a career year and was definitely top 10 THIS YEAR, but not his whole career
9 août 2022 à 18 h 7
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Career wise, I agree he isn’t a top 10 center. If we are going by this year, then it’s a whole different story. He had a career year and was definitely top 10 THIS YEAR, but not his whole career


yes but if i am predicting top whatever many centers im probably gonna base it on the following season as consistency and career projection for the future is key to lots of rankings it's is just like saying tage thompson is a top 15 goal scorer in the league. well no, yes he almost potted 40 this year but he only did it once and again with all the intangibles of this season there is a highly likely chance he doesn't do that again. he very well could be a top 15 goal scorer in the league but if it comes down to a guy who consistently scored 30-33 goals for a span of 5 season vs 1 guy who scored 8 goals then 38 i think it is pretty obvious im gonna go with the consistent guy because you have somewhat of an idea on what to expect with that a shot that he could potentially out perform his usual self
9 août 2022 à 18 h 10
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Quoting: Juiceman
Career wise, I agree he isn’t a top 10 center. If we are going by this year, then it’s a whole different story. He had a career year and was definitely top 10 THIS YEAR, but not his whole career


I should have said I’m going off of primarily this season but more like a 3 year window. If it was a career based list Crosby would be 1
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I should have said I’m going off of primarily this season but more like a 3 year window. If it was a career based list Crosby would be 1


Gotcha
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Quoting: BuFfaLOFaN
OldHabsFan61 if Eichel returns to Eichel next year does he jump top 7/8 where we probably would have had him before the whole neck thing went down? He was always up there with Barkov, honestly id rather him not be good again but thats my sabres bias lmao


I’d have him in the top 10 if we can get a full season out of him
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9 août 2022 à 18 h 37
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What is your reason for not even giving Malkin a scratched spot? I'm not even a Pens fan but I think it makes this list lose some credibility if I'm being honest. Krecji is a 'capable vet' just like Malkin but he didn't even play in the NHL last year and you give him a spot over Malkin.
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What is your reason for not even giving Malkin a scratched spot? I'm not even a Pens fan but I think it makes this list lose some credibility if I'm being honest. Krecji is a 'capable vet' just like Malkin but he didn't even play in the NHL last year and you give him a spot over Malkin.


You can put him in place of Krejci. I’d have no argument. As I said in my description the 21-30 range is from scratch and I’d have to think about it more before finalizing it.
9 août 2022 à 18 h 56
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Personally taking Mika and Point higher, but good job. Thanks for showing some love to Stammer. I find it criminal how under appreciated he seems to be by people.
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Quoting: cMac73
I wouldn’t have Krejci in the top 20 centers list now, but he could very well be a point per game player this year given the players he’ll probably play with. For comparison, that is higher than a lot of centers ahead of him on this list.


You think he'll be point per game for the first time in his career at 36? That seems unlikely

(Precious high ppg was 0.9 in 2018-2019)
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You think he'll be point per game for the first time in his career at 36? That seems unlikely

(Precious high ppg was 0.9 in 2018-2019)


Probably not quite ppg but he for sure is going to play with the best wingers he’s ever played with.
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can say the same for JT miller being in the top 10 outside of this season his 3 best years production wise were
2020-21 53gp 46p
2019-20 69gp 72p
2017-18 82gp 58p
204gp 176p
that is an average of 71 points per 82gp that does not warrant a top 10 selection when his best year came from a ridiculously high scoring season that hasn't happened in over a decade and is bound to not happen again for a while.

not to mention Miller really isn't that good defensively and chooses when he wants to try or just half ass his way because his temper gets to him. not to mention a vast majority of Miller's points came from secondary assists 31 of his 67 assists to be exact

if im choosing a center to lead my team in PO's in hopes of a cup im selecting
Point/ Zib/ Thomas/ Lindholm/ Hintz/ Barzal/ Larkin/ Hertl/ Petey over miller all them are much more individually skilled a lot of them much more well rounded

i got to watch quite a few cancuks games this season due to working at a bar and canadian teams games always being on their was a handful of guys on that team that stuck out more and had more of an overall impact on the game then miller did most nights

he started off the year 60p in 42 gp and ended the year 39p 42gp
with multiple 2-3 game periods of not getting a point the consistency just isn't there for someone who is being talked of as a top 10 center

miller is career 70-75 point guy with average defensively skills he isn't a top 10 center nor is he a top 15 center their is lots of center that due what he does, 1 outlier season doesn't make him anymore special then the rest of them


A 70-75 point player is a top c

Miller has flaws but he's literally 5th in points by a c over the last 3 years with 217 points https://www.nhl.com/stats/skaters?reportType=season&seasonFrom=20192020&seasonTo=20212022&gameType=2&position=C&filter=gamesPlayed,gte,1&sort=points,goals,assists&page=0&pageSize=50

My bigger issue is he isn't really a c. More of a winger who can play c.

He only drops to 9th in points per game

So you can knock his game in numerous ways but not scoring. 39/42 is still a top 20 centre.
 
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