That's too much for NYI man. Detroit would maybe do this but they aren't going to send a 1st, a good prospect, a top pairing guy they love, and one of their most valuable home grown top 6 players. I feel like you're overvaluing Barzal here. I see the Dobson inclusion, but it still just feels like too much.

Like Dobson for Hronek, I'm not even sure Detroit does that. Bertuzzi is a good top 6 player. They could theoretically get a haul for him at the deadline to a contending team or just resign him because they should be trying to compete now.

… you’re saying you don’t think DETROIT would do Dobson for Hronek?

Yea Hronek is good on offense but kind of a liability on defense

Hronek is not a top pairing defenseman. Dobson would be way better of an upgrade

which is why the isles laugh at this offer

Well they are still acquiring a first liner, a young guy who can break out, one offensive defenseman, a depth defenseman, a 1st and a prospect

Bertuzzi also put up more points than Barzal in less games

Dobson is one of the best young defenseman in the NHL, the red wings don’t have what it takes to acquire him without including Raymond

Bertuzzi played with Larkin , he’s not good.

Bertuzzi played 2nd line with Robby Fabbri and Pius Suter for a huge chunk of the year

Dobson is good, but he’s not a cale makar or even moritz seider. Raymond is a potential 80 point player and Dobson is hitting his prime. The isles would have to be the one sending a load of 1sts for raymond

No one is cale Makar. Dobson had a better season than seider last year.

Dobson is pietrangelo 2.0. Detroit doesn’t have the pieces to acquire him without sending Raymond. #1 RHD will always be worth more than scoring wingers

Well I hope he doesn’t become the next pietrangelo that contract is not very good

Honestly man, I’m with you… I’d rather they move Bert in a package where they can improve and both teams feel they win the trade rather than giving him some big extension and finding out it’s probably not worth it… the value (based on last years numbers) it at a high right now and I hope we take advantage of that and move him for a player right now in stress of at the deadline for a couple picks that won’t be impactful for 3 years (or not move him at all)!

It depends, but no I'm not sure they do that. Hronek is someone they rely on for bigger minutes. He's cheaper on an affordable bridge deal. They like him. He's improving. But yea Dobson is also younger. Maybe I'm off on Dobson I went back and checked his stats. He's a PP guy and good with the puck. Great shot. Has the edge in the offensive zone. I see Hronek as more balanced and Dobson offensive.

But yeah his ceiling is probably higher too. Guess we'll see how he continues to develop. This was his first legit year. Hronek has been legit (albeit on a terrible team) for 3 plus seasons.

I don't think Dobson is a top pairing guy either. They give Hronek the TOI of a top pairing guy, but then again, he is -95 for his career. I feel like it's close but Dobson does have a higher ceiling being younger. Also more expensive.

Seider was in his rookie season this past year and he won the Calder. If you compare rookie seasons, Seider smoked Dobson's rookie year. Not even close. You are clearly very high on Dobson. Fine. But at the same time saying he is the next Petro is an over assessment. Dobson seems more offensive to me. Petro was always a balanced guy. Took the toughest assignments. Played huge minutes. Dobson does not strike me as that kind of player just yet, and I doubt he'll ever be a number 1 shut down guy.

Dobson is more like John Klingberg than Petro.

Dobson didn’t get the opportunity to be as good as Seider his rookie year, but their underlying numbers were similar

Dobson is solid defensively at even strength and on the PK. Dobson was literally drafted to be a #1 minute muncher because of his defensive ability. Klingberg is a liability.

Dobson is already a top pair caliber defenseman.

Well... maybe Seider got more of an opportunity because he was better earlier in his career? Like if Andy Greene was on the Red Wings you don't think Seider would have beat him out for a spot, or put up better numbers than him, as a rookie, on the Islanders? Dobson had 7 points in 34 games as a rookie.

If their underlying numbers were the same but Seider got deployed more and against better players, more often, that means his underlying numbers were much better, doesn't it? Because his quality of competition was higher in both quality and quantity.

Plus he won the Calder.... to me their rookie seasons aren't really comparable.

On the other note, Dobson's zone starts point toward him being more offensively deployed. Maybe they realized he's good in that zone once they drafted him, although I do seem to remember him being billed as such when he was drafted too. If you're saying he isn't a liability... maybe you're right. He's clearly better in the O zone though... He's an offensive defensemen. He just scored double digit goals in a season with 50 +points.

Petro's zone starts are split in favor of the D zone (49%o/51d). I don't think Dobson's ever will be that close because he's more often deployed in the O (~62/38) than Kberg (~61/39), with a much smaller sample size, but still.

And as far as the top pairing jazz I guess you could say that, looking at his numbers. The Islanders have a legit balanced/defensive top pairing already though, in Pelech/Pulock. Guess we'll see how he looks in Year 4. But yeah, you high on this boy. I get it. Are you an Isles fan, you watch him a lot?

Dobson is a two way defenseman - just because his coach gave him more offensive zone starts doesn’t mean much. Most zone starts are on the fly anyways. Dobson has everything you want in a shutdown defenseman : size, elite skating ability, high IQ. He’ll always be good offensively but his value will come from being an all situations top pair D who can play 23-25 min per game.

Mmmm deployment does indeed matter. It's not random; it's a part of coaching, trust, and skill set. You said Klingberg is a liability. He is clearly more offensively gifted. His zone starts show that his coaches were aware of that as well.

Well see if Dobson gets that kind of ice time as his career progresses. This past year, his third on the big boys team, he was at 21:28/game. Seider was at 23:02 in his rookie year, for reference.

You seem to be speaking about Dobson's potential more than who he is right now as a player. Even if he is good enough to take those types of minutes, the Islanders have a legit top pair already, so he might not get them even if he deserves them.

You’re putting too much faith into NHL coaches when most of them have shown that they constantly make mistakes and rely on underperforming vets over better young players.

Dobson led the isles in even strength ice time last season and Trotz has never given any defenseman 23-24 min of ice time. He plays all 3 D pairs a good amount.

No, I’m talking about what Dobson is right now. He was great on the PK and he’s very good at defending the rush + inside the defensive zone. He’s already the isles #1 defenseman.

Well to your point he led the Islanders last season in total TOI/G for defensemen. I was actually surprised by that, although tbh, it wasn't by much.

I don't know how good he is is defensively I haven't watched him enough but you seem to have a strong opinion about his skillset. To me he's more offensive but that's just from what I can see on paper.

I would also say Pelech and Pulock are both better in terms of defense, Pulock being the most balanced. But hey maybe Trotz had no idea what he was doing and they should be taking a seat.

If you had to pick one to be your #1 guy it seems situational, as they're all good and none are that old. Pelech went +20 on a team where the next closest guy was +8. Trotz was certainly playing Chara and Greene more than he should have but they're gone now.

Well see what Lambert thinks and how he continues to develop in his 4th year. As a Pens fan I hope he sucks but hey JK lol.

Pelech is definitely better defensively and overall at even strength (he's a LHD) , Dobson was actually better than Pulock defensively last season. Dobson is the most well rounded of the the 3. He's good at everything. EV, PP, PK, etc...

Lambert seems to have more trust in younger players and Dobson won't be playing with Chara next season so he should improve even more