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Supposedly Kadri is still at a 9m+ with term, I'm guessing he's trying to get as close as to a 50m contract as possible

If they can trade off Bailey, perhaps they sign him to 8.25x6 (which is 2 years passed 36 which isn't ideal although Kadri peaked at 30-32 which isn't typical, so perhaps he will be decent still)

I went with what it might look without trading Bailey, and instead burying him and Martin at the start of the year. So, signed him until 39 basically assuming that Lou meets Kadri's demands.
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Colorado needs a 2C, Pageau is solid in the circle and if Newhook isn't ready for the 2C position, Pageau could fill.

Colorado will have to make some moves, but they can manage the cap situation easily. Before some says Bjorkstrand in the comments, the two teams here have rapport and teams won't know the Isles cap situation until all is said and done, so there is not much leverage to be had since both teams get their need. Perhaps he does go for less but no point in worrying about it.
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Perhaps some team will take a flyer on him once there are injuries
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7 août 2022 à 15 h 42
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I think Lou will give Kadri something north of a 45m deal with a 6 year term, or perhaps Kadri ends up in Arizona for 9.5mx5.
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If Nazem Kadri wanted that figure he'd already be signed by now, He signs that with Colorado not the Islanders. You need to take tax implications in as well. You're going to be sorely disappointed when he comes in the $8,000,000 to $9,000,000 per range long term.
7 août 2022 à 15 h 49
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Quoting: HockeyGuy62
If Nazem Kadri wanted that figure he'd already be signed by now, He signs that with Colorado not the Islanders. You need to take tax implications in as well. You're going to be sorely disappointed when he comes in the $8,000,000 to $9,000,000 per range long term.


I'm not going to be disappointed at all. I'm just predicting that he gets a 50m deal or close whether that be 7.15x7, 8.25x6, or 10x5. I'm sure Colorado would have given him 45m deal, perhaps taxes would even out but maybe they don't. They do need to still make space for him, and perhaps it isn't worth it or they are working on it.
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Kadri wants 9mil, because he knows he won't get term.
7 août 2022 à 15 h 52
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If Nazem Kadri wanted that figure he'd already be signed by now, He signs that with Colorado not the Islanders. You need to take tax implications in as well. You're going to be sorely disappointed when he comes in the $8,000,000 to $9,000,000 per range long term.


No one can afford him at 8 to 9 mil, nor is he worth that. If a team were to pay that it would be a mistake. My best guess as to why he isn't signed is because he wants too much term he's almost 32.
7 août 2022 à 15 h 53
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I'm not going to be disappointed at all. I'm just predicting that he gets a 50m deal or close whether that be 7.15x7, 8.25x6, or 10x5. I'm sure Colorado would have given him 45m deal, perhaps taxes would even out but maybe they don't. They do need to still make space for him, and perhaps it isn't worth it or they are working on it.


Kadri is going to be 32 to start the season, Even if Lou gave him let's say 7 x 7 and he accepted it, It will look good for the first 3 years only and then go down the hill from there. That's why GMs are leery of giving him too much term.
7 août 2022 à 15 h 55
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Kadri wants 9mil, because he knows he won't get term.


He wants over 9m because of that, which is why I think he just wants a 50m deal or as close as he can get to it. I don't think the term matters to him as much as it would to teams, it's either higher cap hit or shorter term or lower cap hit longer term if they meet his demands. He might be saying he wants 9.5x7 but I'm sure he's aware he won't be getting that.
7 août 2022 à 15 h 57
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Kadri is going to be 32 to start the season, Even if Lou gave him let's say 7 x 7 and he accepted it, It will look good for the first 3 years only and then go down the hill from there. That's why GMs are leery of giving him too much term.


I know that, I explained in the description, and in the above reply. Whoever is signing him will have to choose their poison. Although, I think the deal will look terrible right away but I wouldn't be surprised if Kadri was a 70pt player from next year until the end of it.
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No one can afford him at 8 to 9 mil, nor is he worth that. If a team were to pay that it would be a mistake. My best guess as to why he isn't signed is because he wants too much term he's almost 32.


I agree that no contending teams can afford to give him 8 to 9 mil, But there are a few teams that could namely Buffalo and Detroit give him that amount of money on a short term deal. But it's clear that he wants another cup. So obviously those two teams are out of the picture.
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7 août 2022 à 16 h 2
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I agree that no contending teams can afford to give him 8 to 9 mil, But there are a few teams that could namely Buffalo and Detroit give him that amount of money on a short term deal. But it's clear that he wants another cup. So obviously those two teams are out of the picture.


Detroit is probably just as good as the Islanders, they will have a harder time though since they are in the Atlantic but I wouldn't be surprised if they had similar or close enough point totals as the Islanders. That being said it depends on what Kadri thinks but perhaps Detroit isn't interested.
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Detroit is probably just as good as the Islanders, they will have a harder time though since they are in the Atlantic but I wouldn't be surprised if they had similar or close enough point totals as the Islanders. That being said it depends on what Kadri thinks but perhaps Detroit isn't interested.


There's been numerous insiders suggesting that Kadri to Detroit is a very real possibility if Lou can't move out the bodies to sign him.

He and his family did just buy a new home in his home town of London Ontario, Canada and both he and his dad were Red Wings fans growing up so there's that.

Term would be the issue, Yzerman would probably give him $8,000,000 per on a 2-3 year deal doubtful it would be any more than that. We shall see what transpires Training camp opens up in about 6 weeks.
7 août 2022 à 16 h 14
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I kinda think Kadri has boxed himself into a contract that he doesn't want. Look at Klingberg being "forced" into a 7m X 1 year deal. How many CF fans said he wanted 7m X 7 years. Big difference between want and what teams want/ or can afford top pay.
Sorry, I don't think Kadri will get more than a four year deal. And who can afford that....maybe the Isles, Wings, Sabres or Boston if they don't resign Bergeron.
But a 32 year old Kadri. Maybe it's more like 7m X 2 years.
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There's been numerous insiders suggesting that Kadri to Detroit is a very real possibility if Lou can't move out the bodies to sign him.

He and his family did just buy a new home in his home town of London Ontario, Canada and both he and his dad were Red Wings fans growing up so there's that.

Term would be the issue, Yzerman would probably give him $8,000,000 per on a 2-3 year deal doubtful it would be any more than that. We shall see what transpires Training camp opens up in about 6 weeks.


Yeah, I think the insiders are just making that suggestion because Detroit has the cap and that week connection, but if they aren't giving him enough term to be financially stable. A 50M deal in NY is similar to ~46.25m one in Coloradon and a 48m on in Detroit. Detroit is pretty much set down the middle anyways with the addition of Copp, so unless they plan on moving on from Larkin who needs a deal next season, I don't see them giving Kadri 9.6mx5 or 8mx6.
7 août 2022 à 16 h 21
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Yeah, I think the insiders are just making that suggestion because Detroit has the cap and that week connection, but if they aren't giving him enough term to be financially stable. A 50M deal in NY is similar to ~46.25m one in Coloradon and a 48m on in Detroit. Detroit is pretty much set down the middle anyways with the addition of Copp, so unless they plan on moving on from Larkin who needs a deal next season, I don't see them giving Kadri 9.6mx5 or 8mx6.


avs would not be interesting in Kadri in a 48m Deal. They aren't going to be offering 7mx7 him.
Its been known that avs are only interested in brining him back in a deal that is low aav and term, he knows that, he would be leaving a lot of money on the table to go back bc he loves Denver and the fit on the avs.

Avs would be in the market for him in the 6m aav range for him around 4 years of Term. They arent moving Girard to over pay on Kadri, thats just not what the avs do and friedman + Avs beat writers have heard/speculate. If avs are able to bring kadri back, they arent trading Girard to do so, mostly likely would be compher and his 3.5m aav
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I kinda think Kadri has boxed himself into a contract that he doesn't want. Look at Klingberg being "forced" into a 7m X 1 year deal. How many CF fans said he wanted 7m X 7 years. Big difference between want and what teams want/ or can afford top pay.
Sorry, I don't think Kadri will get more than a four year deal. And who can afford that....maybe the Isles, Wings, Sabres or Boston if they don't resign Bergeron.
But a 32 year old Kadri. Maybe it's more like 7m X 2 years.


I think Kadri will have the choice between getting close to a 50m contract (perhaps he wants much more than that, idk I'm just assuming he would be happy with a 50m contract) even if that means he has to play in a place like Arizona. He's definitely not going to have to take a 14m deal though, I'm sure he can at least get a 40m+ deal somewhere, I wouldn't be surprised if Colorado was willing to give him 6.67m x6, the extra year isn't ideal but they like him enough probably to do that.

The difference between him and Klingberg is that people know what Klingberg is and they weren't willing to give that total dollar value, that he wanted which was a 62.5m+ contract. Someone fumbled the negotiations and he was getting offered less than what Dallas was offering possibly on an 8 year deal. So, taking a 7mx1 makes a lot of sense for him because he can just sign a 7 or 8 year deal the following season and perhaps build up his value, but even if he doesn't get more than 7x7, it would have been like getting an 7mx8 instead of a 7mx7. Kadri on the other hand is much older, and he's just had a career year unlike anyone else at his age, there's much more caution to be had handing him a huge pay day, and the AAV is already going to be much higher than Klingberg's.
7 août 2022 à 16 h 30
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avs would not be interesting in Kadri in a 48m Deal. They aren't going to be offering 7mx7 him.
Its been known that avs are only interested in brining him back in a deal that is low aav and term, he knows that, he would be leaving a lot of money on the table to go back bc he loves Denver and the fit on the avs.

Avs would be in the market for him in the 6m aav range for him around 4 years of Term. They arent moving Girard to over pay on Kadri, thats just not what the avs do and friedman + Avs beat writers have heard/speculate. If avs are able to bring kadri back, they arent trading Girard to do so, mostly likely would be compher and his 3.5m aav


The Avs wouldn't need to offer him a a 48m deal for a similar, it would be 46.25, which is 6.67x6 or something like that. I'm not saying they were willing to do that but perhaps they would have been. They would be able to fit him under their cap at that if they move Compher.
7 août 2022 à 16 h 37
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Yeah, I think the insiders are just making that suggestion because Detroit has the cap and that week connection, but if they aren't giving him enough term to be financially stable. A 50M deal in NY is similar to ~46.25m one in Coloradon and a 48m on in Detroit. Detroit is pretty much set down the middle anyways with the addition of Copp, so unless they plan on moving on from Larkin who needs a deal next season, I don't see them giving Kadri 9.6mx5 or 8mx6.


Yeah signing Nazem Kadri in Detroit absolutely makes zero sense, Larkin will get his lucrative contract in the next 6 weeks or so around training camp time. Just a feeling that Tyler Bertuzzi will be out the door and Steve Yzerman might be looking to trade him for a very good package.

And as early as next summer, Yzerman will probably look at locking up Mo Seider who probably comes in around $9,500,000 to $10,000,000 x 8 years and probably sign Lucas Raymond to a bridge deal in the $6,000,000 per range i'd imagine so we can't go overboard money wise.
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The Avs wouldn't need to offer him a a 48m deal for a similar, it would be 46.25, which is 6.67x6 or something like that. I'm not saying they were willing to do that but perhaps they would have been. They would be able to fit him under their cap at that if they move Compher.


avs dont have to offer him a similar deal, they arent in a bidding war to get him. If he wants to come back its on the avs terms that fits, they arent making drastic moves to fit him in
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I think Kadri will have the choice between getting close to a 50m contract (perhaps he wants much more than that, idk I'm just assuming he would be happy with a 50m contract) even if that means he has to play in a place like Arizona. He's definitely not going to have to take a 14m deal though, I'm sure he can at least get a 40m+ deal somewhere, I wouldn't be surprised if Colorado was willing to give him 6.67m x6, the extra year isn't ideal but they like him enough probably to do that.

The difference between him and Klingberg is that people know what Klingberg is and they weren't willing to give that total dollar value, that he wanted which was a 62.5m+ contract. Someone fumbled the negotiations and he was getting offered less than what Dallas was offering possibly on an 8 year deal. So, taking a 7mx1 makes a lot of sense for him because he can just sign a 7 or 8 year deal the following season and perhaps build up his value, but even if he doesn't get more than 7x7, it would have been like getting an 7mx8 instead of a 7mx7. Kadri on the other hand is much older, and he's just had a career year unlike anyone else at his age, there's much more caution to be had handing him a huge pay day, and the AAV is already going to be much higher than Klingberg's.


We'll never know what players were actually offered. But IMO Dallas had seen Klingberg regress to PP specialist and average and even strength and no used much on the PP. A 29 year old wasn't worth the gamble on long term contract...as 32 GMs showed. Gee, don't how JK gets a long term deal next season. Though somehow 35 year old Letang got a four year deal.
Interesting with the Kadri situation. But I don't see any team offering him much term. Teams with cap, like the Sabres and Wings need future cap to sign their RFAs, who they hope are worth of big contracts.
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avs dont have to offer him a similar deal, they arent in a bidding war to get him. If he wants to come back its on the avs terms that fits, they arent making drastic moves to fit him in


I know they don't, my point of mentioning that was to point out that a 50m offer in NY is probably better than what Colorado is offering him, even if they could compete. They could be offering him 7.4mx4 which is only a 29.6m deal, he would need to make another 20.4m after age 36 which would be equivalent of 3.4mx6 or 5.1mx4.
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I know they don't, my point of mentioning that was to point out that a 50m offer in NY is probably better than what Colorado is offering him, even if they could compete. They could be offering him 7.4mx4 which is only a 29.6m deal, he would need to make another 20.4m after age 36 which would be equivalent of 3.4mx6 or 5.1mx4.


avs are not offering him anything close to what NYI was, you are missing the point. They arent comparable contract offers.
They wouldnt even be offering him anything above 7m. You are trying to compare apples to oranges here.

He would be singing back in Colorado bc he values the fit, living in Denver, raising his family there etc more than money. Its not a financial move to return to Denver, its a home lifestyle one. You cant compare money from NYI or another team to the reasons behind returning to Denver. It would be beyond money
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We'll never know what players were actually offered. But IMO Dallas had seen Klingberg regress to PP specialist and average and even strength and no used much on the PP. A 29 year old wasn't worth the gamble on long term contract...as 32 GMs showed. Gee, don't how JK gets a long term deal next season. Though somehow 35 year old Letang got a four year deal.
Interesting with the Kadri situation. But I don't see any team offering him much term. Teams with cap, like the Sabres and Wings need future cap to sign their RFAs, who they hope are worth of big contracts.


I think everyone was seeing him a PP specialist and because he wanted to go to a contender he was probably getting offered something in the 5s and 6s with term from contenders. He lowered his ask to 6s when teams spent all their money, even Seattle who maybe was offering him 7x7 went and got Bjorkstrand. So, Anaheim's offer was probably enticing, since he gets more money, and there's potential for him to end up on a contender at the end of the year, or a long-term deal in an up and coming team if he likes it there. Apparently staying in the western conference was also something he wanted to do.
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I think everyone was seeing him a PP specialist and because he wanted to go to a contender he was probably getting offered something in the 5s and 6s with term from contenders. He lowered his ask to 6s when teams spent all their money, even Seattle who maybe was offering him 7x7 went and got Bjorkstrand. So, Anaheim's offer was probably enticing, since he gets more money, and there's potential for him to end up on a contender at the end of the year, or a long-term deal in an up and coming team if he likes it there. Apparently staying in the western conference was also something he wanted to do.


Yeah I think you mentioned the problem, teams have spend to their cap or budget. A few guys were left without a musical chair to sit on and have or will get contracts they didn't/don't want.
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avs are not offering him anything close to what NYI was, you are missing the point. They arent comparable contract offers.
They wouldnt even be offering him anything above 7m. You are trying to compare apples to oranges here.

He would be singing back in Colorado bc he values the fit, living in Denver, raising his family there etc more than money. Its not a financial move to return to Denver, its a home lifestyle one. You cant compare money from NYI or another team to the reasons behind returning to Denver. It would be beyond money


The whole point of the comparison is to establish a baseline, if Colorado isn't offering 46m, then that just means that NY doesn't need to offer more than 50m, since he is going after the money, although he might ultimately choose to go back if he doesn't get his demands. I'm not saying Colorado is trying to outbid any team for Kadri. The only reason for mentioning Colorado and what they might be offering is to establish a minimum baseline. He's not going to leave Colorado for lesser offers and the reason for that you mentioned in the second part of your post. As long as Colorado doesn't move on, they will be his fallback. You are probably right that they wouldn't offer him 7m+ since Landy is making 7, but something between his and Nuke's contract for 4 or 5 years isn't out of the question. Long-story short, I was never comparing Colorado's offer to the Isles, to say that Colorado would need to match. Nor to even say NYI has to offer 50m to compete with Colorado.
 
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