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Équipe: 2022-23 Canadiens de Montréal
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Last i heard Byron is a "Maybe" or "Not Likely" in reports for Camp
Not sure if its going to just be a late start or not but if he missed camp
He'll be set back even if he does return late once camp starts
Point is i dont see him being a factor in our roster or for TDL sale
More likely he joins MTL in Brassard as a Development Coach like Boullion did.

Drouin on the other hand reports show is likely to be good to go so im slotting him in.
Price its as always hard to say despite reports but i think he'll be back in tandem with Allen

Come TDL we'll sell off the UFA's we can while building up value for next years crop
After the TDL Slavkovsky likely riding a point streak will join MTL's top line
Ylonen will also join the team either slotting in on 4th and promoting Pitlick to 2nd
Or by jumping directly to play beside Dach -Anderson depending on his production level at that point

Hoffman i feel will build up value but i think MTL keeps him until he's a UFA
With 49.5% Power Play scored by Hoffman for 243/430 career points
Biling before we see MSL PP in full action after he gets a chance to fully make change is unwise
Hoffman was 3rd in scoring despite having an off year he was the best of the rest for better or wose


Hoffman's issue was he signed with the leagues worst PP in the SCF
Then we lost key players and MTL thought "Here's hoffman it fixes it"
He's just addressed 1 of the lost players but not the hole originally held.

I'm not saying Hoffman's a core guy
Im just saying we signed one of the better PP players the past 20 years to coach
Its illogical to give up a Power Play asset we can use and gain value with

More value in moving Evans out at his cap for an easy profit if roster space is needed
But with all the cap coming off after this year its best to just let it ride to TDL then let AHL prospects get their shot

The real hope here is we play well enough for middle of the pack maybe last seed striking distance then sell at the TDL.
MTL will either tank or go on a run based on Slavkovsky,Ghule and Ylonen joining to make the difference

Dadanov i'm hoping will be closer to Suzuki and Caufields production rate then his
He'll be getting a top line role something he hasnt in years and i think 55-60 pts for a Tatar like year
We'll be able to land a 1st for him with RS no problem im sure.

Drouin i think will play and well with likely Destination COL on the cheap
MTL will get something for him no doubt with 55%, 52% and 58% production rate the last 3 years.(59% in MTL total)
No Risk and High Reward either playing well or on LTIR
That said i think at best a conditional 2nd or more likely just a late 2nd and a B to A- prospect depending on Demand

Schuneman i think will get more but traditionally MTL sells D like him for a 4th to 5th pick
If he does what i think stepping into Kulaks role then a 3rd or possibly a late 2nd
Schuneman plays strong and confident with a good shot (kinda boring 5v5 saving risks for PP )


While our Youth stepping up will likely create a great push
I still think MTL ends up with a 4th-7th OA pick next year
Then i think they take some of the cap they made to fill holes youth havent yet


Would i love big flashy trades and big UFA's signed?
Sure i guess , but i also know if you're rebuilding under a new GM its better for it to happen now.
MB waited years and never fully did a rebuild so we couldnt put together a perrenial contender.
Hughes i believe is building a TBL type deep core that will grow together
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7 août 2022 à 8 h 33
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Not that bad? This is a bottom 3 team in the league.
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Quoting: littlejerryseinfeld
Not that bad? This is a bottom 3 team in the league.


Agreed thats why its not titled "Top Team or Playoff contender"
Its a Glass Half Full POV to a rebuild year
But there's being bottom 3 in the league and
Coming off Historically your wost season in 110+ years (where you also had the 4th worst losing streak in history too)

This is about building on the youth and gaining value for the Veterans while remaining Competitive for the Fans.
Fans dont need them to win every game during a rebuild but not being able to string 2 wins in a row together is an issue
That issue i feel is solved for the most part
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7 août 2022 à 8 h 43
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Agreed thats why its not titled "Top Team or Playoff contender"
Its a Glass Half Full POV to a rebuild year
But there's being bottom 3 in the league and
Coming off Historically your wost season in 110+ years (where you also had the 4th worst losing streak in history too)

This is about building on the youth and gaining value for the Veterans while remaining Competitive for the Fans.
Fans dont need them to win every game during a rebuild but not being able to string 2 wins in a row together is an issue
That issue i feel is solved for the most part


This team might be worse than last year, look at that d core
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7 août 2022 à 9 h 24
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It's not BAD given the pick they can get, but it's gonna be a bad season point-wise for this team. Either MTL or BUF will be last in the Atlantic.
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7 août 2022 à 9 h 51
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Quoting: Billy739
Agreed thats why its not titled "Top Team or Playoff contender"
Its a Glass Half Full POV to a rebuild year
But there's being bottom 3 in the league and
Coming off Historically your wost season in 110+ years (where you also had the 4th worst losing streak in history too)

This is about building on the youth and gaining value for the Veterans while remaining Competitive for the Fans.
Fans dont need them to win every game during a rebuild but not being able to string 2 wins in a row together is an issue
That issue i feel is solved for the most part


You have one painfully glaring issue both right now and in the future and it's called the right side of the d-core.
Your top 2 RD are David Savard and Chris Wideman (horrendous), and that's followed up by Justin Barron who's gonna be good someday but this year he's gonna get thrown to the wolfs along with Harris and probably Guhle too for at least a few games this season.
As for the prospects, Guhle, Norrlinder; Hutson and Harris all share one thing in common. They ALL play on the left. The only future you have on the RD is Barron and that Logan Mailloux kid, unless i'm missing somebody.

I would LOVE for the Habs to send Anderson and/or Dvorak packing while they still have value for some future on that RD!

Also, i agree that the Habs might as well keep Hoffman. I don't think they're gonna get anything worthile for him so they might as well keep him for the goals and entertainment while they stink.

Also also, nobody wants Drouin and nobody is sure as hell giving up any 2nd round picks or prospects for him, so let that dream go my man. He also hasn't been healthy since 18-19.
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7 août 2022 à 11 h 20
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You have one painfully glaring issue both right now and in the future and it's called the right side of the d-core.
Your top 2 RD are David Savard and Chris Wideman (horrendous), and that's followed up by Justin Barron who's gonna be good someday but this year he's gonna get thrown to the wolfs along with Harris and probably Guhle too for at least a few games this season.
As for the prospects, Guhle, Norrlinder; Hutson and Harris all share one thing in common. They ALL play on the left. The only future you have on the RD is Barron and that Logan Mailloux kid, unless i'm missing somebody.

I would LOVE for the Habs to send Anderson and/or Dvorak packing while they still have value for some future on that RD!

Also, i agree that the Habs might as well keep Hoffman. I don't think they're gonna get anything worthile for him so they might as well keep him for the goals and entertainment while they stink.

Also also, nobody wants Drouin and nobody is sure as hell giving up any 2nd round picks or prospects for him, so let that dream go my man. He also hasn't been healthy since 18-19.


it sure makes you wonder if drafting nemec would have been a better move than slavkovsky.
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7 août 2022 à 15 h 40
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Quoting: drambui
it sure makes you wonder if drafting nemec would have been a better move than slavkovsky.


I did have those thoughts too, but i knew that Montreal sure wasn't trading down to 3rd and therefore trading away their first #1 overall pick in like 40 years with the draft being in Montreal as well haha. They would've had Kent Hughes head for that tears of joy
They coooould've picked Nemec at #1 too ofc!
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7 août 2022 à 18 h 2
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It's not BAD given the pick they can get, but it's gonna be a bad season point-wise for this team. Either MTL or BUF will be last in the Atlantic.


This guy gets it *Points Up to SevenLeg*
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You have one painfully glaring issue both right now and in the future and it's called the right side of the d-core.
Your top 2 RD are David Savard and Chris Wideman (horrendous), and that's followed up by Justin Barron who's gonna be good someday but this year he's gonna get thrown to the wolfs along with Harris and probably Guhle too for at least a few games this season.
As for the prospects, Guhle, Norrlinder; Hutson and Harris all share one thing in common. They ALL play on the left. The only future you have on the RD is Barron and that Logan Mailloux kid, unless i'm missing somebody.

I would LOVE for the Habs to send Anderson and/or Dvorak packing while they still have value for some future on that RD!

Also, i agree that the Habs might as well keep Hoffman. I don't think they're gonna get anything worthile for him so they might as well keep him for the goals and entertainment while they stink.

Also also, nobody wants Drouin and nobody is sure as hell giving up any 2nd round picks or prospects for him, so let that dream go my man. He also hasn't been healthy since 18-19.


You're not wrong
Issue is i think our fix on RD is one no one's considered
Xhekaj plays both LD and RD almost making the roster last year as 2nd last cut behind Ghule
Xhekaj finished the year by Eliminating Ghule head to head out classing him every step of the way
Ghule wasnt playing weak either he just couldnt match Xhekaj's Physicallity

Picture Markov trying to battle Weber type deal
I think while Xhekaj will start this year in Laval likely playing with Ghule's as his top RD
I think the next season he'll be in the NHL as we sell off Veterans

Logically Schuneman should be given this role he's earned it IMO
But Xhekaj is one of those rare Leadership type Lumberjacks you find here and there.
Couple this with the fact he sat out a year only able to really work on his shot during lockdown
He scored more in 17 games as a 21 year old in Junior then all the rest of his time in junior combined.
Went on the a Memorial Cup Final just falling short to the host team (NB dog in the race and even i didnt think they'd win)

He coming in on the highest of notes and might actually push out a roster player earlier then later or push Matheson to RD even though Hughes said he'll play LD.
I'm really high on Xhekaj more then any other single D prospect not in the NHL cause he's a warrior in a depth pool of Skill and Talent who will see it as his role to protect them.


That said i do still fully expect MTL to get another RD with the TDL moves whether Via Draft or Trade.
Ideally i'd give up my left nut to get Durzi aka Suzuki's best friend and former teammate
They were lethal on Power Play together and MTL needs that
But LAK fans on here dont want to trade him and even OS i know they cant match they claim they will
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The division got a lot better which will put them in last place next to Buffalo. They still have question marks in net and their defence got a lot of inexperience especially the right side. Edmundson might have to move over from the left side.

Forwards cant be worse than last season with the improved youth and better injury luck along with MSL coaching will improve their forwards corps results. They'll lose a lot of high scoring games which is a good thing!
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It's not BAD given the pick they can get, but it's gonna be a bad season point-wise for this team. Either MTL or BUF will be last in the Atlantic.


Buffalo will have atleast 20 more points, maybe 30
7 août 2022 à 18 h 28
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The division got a lot better which will put them in last place next to Buffalo. They still have question marks in net and their defence got a lot of inexperience especially the right side. Edmundson might have to move over from the left side.

Forwards cant be worse than last season with the improved youth and better injury luck along with MSL coaching will improve their forwards corps results. They'll lose a lot of high scoring games which is a good thing!


Buffalo will be better too.
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Quoting: drambui
it sure makes you wonder if drafting nemec would have been a better move than slavkovsky.


Probably thought about it but rembered the Cam Barker situation as few choose D in top 3
Anytime a D goes 1st OA over a forward in top 3 picks though that team lives to regret it
Svechnikov>Dahlin
Draisaitl > Ekblad
Toews>Johnson

When the forward goes first both teams usually win
Stamkos>Doughty
Stamkos>Bogosian(LAK did alright but ATL got boned)
Tavares>Hedman


Usually D go from 5th-15th and it usually works out a lot better with less pressure
More Morgan Reilly's less Erik or Jack Johnsons

I still think Jiricek shoulda been MTL's target
Either using Dach or using that NYI pick in a package to get the Slovak's Czech counterpart in David Jiricek
He's the Ekholm type Defensman most teams would love to have

Outside the draft LAK have Jordan Spence(seen him live a lot , he'll fit here) and Sean Durzi aka Suzuki's best friend and PP set up guy.
With Brandt Clarke basically being held back by them going forward with Roy, Walker and Doughty infront of them with term
Someone has to go and outside Walker regardless of who it is they can help MTL a lot
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Buffalo will have atleast 20 more points, maybe 30


I can't see it with Buffalo. They had a good quarter season (Habs had an even better one since the coaching change) and I feel like they're overhyped given their recent history. They're still a bottom of the league team unless there's a massive step up from Cozens, Krebs, Power and Comrie stands on his head.
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Quoting: drambui
it sure makes you wonder if drafting nemec would have been a better move than slavkovsky.


That's whom I wanted for months! It's all over my history. Wasnt a Slaf fan by any means but I wanted Nemec over Wright
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I can't see it with Buffalo. They had a good quarter season (Habs had an even better one since the coaching change) and I feel like they're overhyped given their recent history. They're still a bottom of the league team unless there's a massive step up from Cozens, Krebs, Power and Comrie stands on his head.


I mean we just had 20 more points than you this past season and huge parts of our team didn't play very much and all our dead weight is gone
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Quoting: littlejerryseinfeld
Buffalo will be better too.


Quoting: littlejerryseinfeld
Buffalo will have atleast 20 more points, maybe 30


Goaltending, goaltending. Tuch and Tage Thompson started hot then flamed out tho less so Tage. Not convinced he's a bonafide 30 goal man. Jeff Skinner is famous for one bad season then a good season then a bad season and so on. Power looks legit but they arent close to a playoff team that is 30 pts up on Mtl. Habs will still have between 55-70 pts. Even the Hawks/Yotes will be close to 55-60 pts.
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Goaltending, goaltending. Tuch and Tage Thompson started hot then flamed out. Jeff Skinner is famous for one bad season then a good season then a bad season and so on.


Neither tuch nor Thompson flamed out LMAO

Maybe look at who our goalies were last season before commenting on goal tending.

Dustin tokarski played 29 games
Aaron dell played 12 games
Malcom subban 4
Michael houser 2
Upl 9 games

56 games of ahl/echl goaltending
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Quoting: littlejerryseinfeld
Neither tuch nor Thompson flamed out LMAO



Yes. Tuch slowed down dramatically. I'm not going to pull up the stats to someone that posts laughing abreviations. that is too juvenile to have a convo with someone whom is that immature
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Quoting: littlejerryseinfeld
I mean we just had 20 more points than you this past season and huge parts of our team didn't play very much and all our dead weight is gone


"huge"
How about Historical Amounts of our Team on IR and LTIR?
56m/81m at one point was on LTIR i believe it was .
As bad as BUF was they didnt have the same limitations .
Nor did they just come off a SCF where the GM let half his team walk.

BUF is getting good legitimately
But as of right now like always ARZ and BUF are the 2 worst NHL teams in the league
That's not changed since Hasek left , i dont see it changing until you crown a new Hasek.

MTL is a goalie city and why it took a while between Roy and Price
We did find a Vezina winner in Theodore, Cup winner in Huet and one of the best Tandem Veterans the last decade Jaro Halak.
BUF just has people go there for 1 year to rebound their numbers then get the hell outta dodge hahahaha
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Quoting: littlejerryseinfeld
Neither tuch nor Thompson flamed out LMAO

Maybe look at who our goalies were last season before commenting on goal tending.

Dustin tokarski played 29 games
Aaron dell played 12 games
Malcom subban 4
Michael houser 2
Upl 9 games

56 games of ahl/echl goaltending


That was kinda the point
BUF Goaltending since Hasek is always Excuses for why they shouldnt be held accountable.
Been that way since Hasek left so he could finally win a cup after wasting his Prime years on a team with bad ownership
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That was kinda the point
BUF Goaltending since Hasek is always Excuses for why they shouldnt be held accountable.
Been that way since Hasek left so he could finally win a cup after wasting his Prime years on a team with bad ownership


Eric Comrie is somehow a solution in net and Anderson wont get injured like he does every year and a year older. Yup. Goaltending solved. I mean what??!
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Yes. Tuch slowed down dramatically. I'm not going to pull up the stats to someone that posts laughing abreviations. that is too juvenile to have a convo with someone whom is that immature


Tuch scored at a 59 point pace in April, the last month of the season. He scored atleast at that rate 2 of the other 3 months he played more than 2 games in.

Thompson was over a point per game from Jan-apr.

Nice try
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That was kinda the point
BUF Goaltending since Hasek is always Excuses for why they shouldnt be held accountable.
Been that way since Hasek left so he could finally win a cup after wasting his Prime years on a team with bad ownership


I am saying our goaltending will not be the weakness it was last year and citing goaltending aides my argument
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Quoting: Billy739
That was kinda the point
BUF Goaltending since Hasek is always Excuses for why they shouldnt be held accountable.
Been that way since Hasek left so he could finally win a cup after wasting his Prime years on a team with bad ownership


I guess you missed Ryan miller's career
 
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