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Créé par: HockeyScotty

Équipe: 2022-23 Islanders de New York

Date de création initiale: 3 août 2022

Publié: 7 août 2022

Mode - plafond salarial: Basique

Description

Barzal returns to his B.C. roots in a swap for JT Miller, partial retention, and future draft picks. He is the better player in the deal; both have 1 year left on deals but Barzal is also RFA; hence the return.
NYI get a top line player and more affordable contract.

Then trade LW with Detroit straight up with Bertuzzi for Beauvillier who has 2 years of team control as is younger; thus the partial retention on that deal as well. Detroit gets younger and has an asset under team control for 2 years.

Then the UFA signing of Kadri comes in to complete the roster and playoff hopes renew in Long Island. The identity of this whole team is hard work, 200' game, and can roll out 3 scoring lines along with the grinders. Keep the goalie duo intact to ensure a deep playoff run is in the cards.

Miller and Bertuzzi extensions can get paid for by Varlamov's contract coming off next year then a new backup goalie can be found in the $1-2 million range.

Signatures de joueurs autonomes

LISTE DE RÉSERVE		ANS	CAP HIT
Cockerill, Logan		2	750 000 $
Mirageas, Ben		2	750 000 $

RFA	ANS	CAP HIT
Dobson, Noah	6	5 000 000 $
Romanov, Alexander	3	2 500 000 $
Bellows, Kieffer	2	850 000 $
Durandeau, Arnaud	2	825 000 $
Wotherspoon, Parker	1	825 000 $

UFA		ANS	CAP HIT
Kadri, Nazem		7	6 750 000 $

Transactions

NYI

Bertuzzi, Tyler (1 500 000 $ retained)

DET

Beauvillier, Anthony

NYI

Miller, J.T. (1 250 000 $ retained)
Choix de 1e ronde en 2023 (VAN)
Choix de 2e ronde en 2025 (VAN)

VAN

Barzal, Mathew

Rachats de contrats

Rick DiPietro: 0 $

Enfoui

Richard Pánik: 250 000 $ (1 375 000 $)
Kieffer Bellows: 0 $ (850 000 $)

Repêchage	1e ronde	2e ronde	3e ronde	4e ronde	5e ronde	6e ronde	7e ronde
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FORMATION

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INTÉGRÉ

TEXTE INTÉGRÉ

TAILLE DE LA FORMATION	PLAFOND SALARIAL	CAP HIT	EXCÉDENTS	BONIS	ESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
23	82 500 000 $	80 089 963 $	245 796 $	1 287 500 $	2 410 037 $

Ailier gauche	Centre	Ailier droit
Miller, J.T. 4 000 000 $4 000 000 $ C, AG, AD UFA - 1	Kadri, Nazem 6 750 000 $6 750 000 $ C UFA - 7	Bailey, Josh 5 000 000 $5 000 000 $ AD, AG, C UFA - 2
Lee, Anders 7 000 000 $7 000 000 $ AG NTC UFA - 4	Nelson, Brock 6 000 000 $6 000 000 $ C, AG M-NTC UFA - 3	Palmieri, Kyle 5 000 000 $5 000 000 $ AD, AG NTC UFA - 3
Bertuzzi, Tyler 875 000 $875 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 1	Pageau, Jean-Gabriel 5 000 000 $5 000 000 $ C M-NTC UFA - 4	Wahlstrom, Oliver 894 167 $894 167 $ (537 500 $$538K) AD RFA - 1
Martin, Matt 1 500 000 $1 500 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 2	Cizikas, Casey 2 500 000 $2 500 000 $ C UFA - 5	Clutterbuck, Cal 1 750 000 $1 750 000 $ AD UFA - 2
Parise, Zach 750 000 $750 000 $ (750 000 $$750K) AG UFA - 1		Johnston, Ross 1 100 000 $1 100 000 $ AG UFA - 4

Défenseur gaucher	Défenseur droitier	Gardien de but
Pelech, Adam 5 750 000 $5 750 000 $ DG NTC UFA - 7	Pulock, Ryan 6 150 000 $6 150 000 $ DD NTC UFA - 8	Varlamov, Semyon 5 000 000 $5 000 000 $ G M-NTC UFA - 1
Romanov, Alexander 2 500 000 $2 500 000 $ DG RFA - 3	Dobson, Noah 5 000 000 $5 000 000 $ DD RFA - 3	Sorokin, Ilya 4 000 000 $4 000 000 $ G UFA - 2
Aho, Sebastian 825 000 $825 000 $ DG UFA - 2	Mayfield, Scott 1 450 000 $1 450 000 $ DD UFA - 1
Salo, Robin 800 000 $800 000 $ DG UFA - 2

7 août 2022 à 11 h 45

#51

Db1899

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Quoting: theleano1

Taveres was a top 10 center in the league when he was with the isles, if the isels were able to get a top 5 winger to play with him sure, Taveres being #1C lets Barzal feed on worse competition, also Barzal played on the power play with Tavers that year The isles also played a offensive system that year as well, Barzal's draft comparsion was Grouix which seems about right, a guy that was a 70-80 point guy in most of his prime, i am not saying he will never hit 80 again, i think he does how ever he isn't a 90-100 point player

Top lines / D pairs were matched up against Barzal, not Tavares lmao how can you be wrong so many times on one thread

7 août 2022 à 11 h 45

#52

carbonxe

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Quoting: Db1899

Barzal singlehandedly carried the isles to the ECF

Weird way to spell Sorokin

7 août 2022 à 11 h 48

#53

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Modifié 7 août 2022 à 11 h 54

Quoting: HockeyScotty

I'm tempted to call this ACGM a "win" since both teams hate it!

Defense is few and far between so how Vancouver improves their D doesn't have to be the sole reason for every trade. This trade was designed to help both teams: Canucks get elite offense with term. Islanders retain elite talent, futures, and free up cap space for Kadri.

Canucks fans hate every trade that isn’t giving up 4x what that player is worth.

The isles main needs are : play driving + to get younger and faster. Trading Barzal doesn’t solve that.

This sends the isles straight back into the Milbury era. I don’t think there’s one good argument that this makes the isles a better team. You’re basically saying that the isles need to prioritize kadri over Barzal, which isn’t happening. Isles draft pick would be in the 5-8 range.

7 août 2022 à 11 h 49

#54

Db1899

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Quoting: carbonxe

Weird way to spell Sorokin

Sorokin played 1 round, good try bud.

7 août 2022 à 13 h 22

#55

HockeyScotty

Démarrer sujet

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Quoting: Db1899

I understand what you are saying your preference is for the Isles needs; but it doesn't appear there is much focus on developing youth there but more on the current playoff window. Adding JT Miller AND Nazem Kadri was my priority to give them deeper scoring punch while also adding futures for when the window closes and they are rebuilding/retooling.

I see a possible Barzal RFA issue similiar to Tkachuk and was trying to propose a "Matt Duchene" type haul for moving him now when his value is at the peak.

theleano1 a aimé ceci.

7 août 2022 à 14 h 22

#56

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I know how to solve this issue. Just swap Beau and Barzal in your scenarios and the Wings will say thank you and slip out leaving undetected lol

7 août 2022 à 17 h 12

#57

Db1899

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Quoting: HockeyScotty

One of the main reasons Barry Trotz was fired was because of how he handled the isles young players. Adding Miller and Kadri turns the isles into a worse version of the San Jose sharks. Their quality of teammates will be significantly worse which will lead to worse underlying numbers and counting stats. Kadri + Miller would struggle to hit 50 pts on the isles .

You can say that about every RFA with arb rights, there’s been no indication that he wants out, and if he does it would definitely not be for an old JT Miller. The isles don’t have to make that decision now and Lou wouldn’t be the one making that trade. I personally would not care that much if Barzal wanted out , but I don’t think that’s the case. His GF is from Ny and he just bought an apartment recently .

A Barzal trade would have to be similar to Eichel trade. An A center prospect, 1st , 2nd and a young top 6 F in his prime

7 août 2022 à 17 h 31

#58

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Bertuzzi = 30 goal scorer for Beauvillier a guy that can't get to 20 goals or 40 points the past 4 season....and you think that would get it done?

get real

7 août 2022 à 20 h 48

#59

theleano1

PDG over PDO

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Quoting: Db1899

Barzal singlehandedly carried the isles to the ECF

I didn't argue he didn't? i said he isn't a 90 point player lmfao

Quoting: Db1899

JT miller sucks defensively, let’s not spew lies

Tell me you haven't watched a canucks game without telling me you haven't, Miller legit plays the pk he is quite good defensively

Quoting: Db1899

Barzal never played with Tavares , but good try

played with him in 17-18

7 août 2022 à 20 h 49

#60

theleano1

PDG over PDO

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Quoting: Db1899

Top lines / D pairs were matched up against Barzal, not Tavares lmao how can you be wrong so many times on one thread

So Tavares was the #2C?

7 août 2022 à 21 h 7

#61

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Quoting: theleano1

I didn't argue he didn't? i said he isn't a 90 point player lmfao

Tell me you haven't watched a canucks game without telling me you haven't, Miller legit plays the pk he is quite good defensively
played with him in 17-18

JT Miller is well below average defensively. He's also not good on the PK.
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7 août 2022 à 21 h 9

#62

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Quoting: theleano1

So Tavares was the #2C?

Barzal TOI with Tavares: 22 min

without Tavares: 1104 min

Barzal was the 1C, teams put their top D pairs against his line because they were much better than Tavares line.

7 août 2022 à 21 h 47

#63

theleano1

PDG over PDO

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Quoting: Db1899

JT Miller is well below average defensively. He's also not good on the PK.
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That's heavily influenced from greens tenure, would like to see it under Boudreau

7 août 2022 à 21 h 49

#64

theleano1

PDG over PDO

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Quoting: Db1899

Barzal TOI with Tavares: 22 min

without Tavares: 1104 min

Barzal was the 1C, teams put their top D pairs against his line because they were much better than Tavares line.

So they didn't play power play together? Tavares also had 200 minutes more than Barzal in 17-18, would that not make Tavares the #1C?

8 août 2022 à 14 h 18

#65

carbonxe

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Quoting: Db1899

Sorokin played 1 round, good try bud.

Sorokin almost carried one of the lowest scoring teams into the playoffs last season. Barzal contributed exactly what? Oh right, not much because the offense was utterly anemic.

8 août 2022 à 14 h 31

#66

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Quoting: carbonxe

Sorokin almost carried one of the lowest scoring teams into the playoffs last season. Barzal contributed exactly what? Oh right, not much because the offense was utterly anemic.

Sorokin did not almost carry them into the playoffs. The isles weren’t close to making the playoffs - and that has nothing to do with the fact that Barzal carried the team to two straight ECF

9 août 2022 à 10 h 24

#67

carbonxe

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Quoting: Db1899

Sorokin did not almost carry them into the playoffs. The isles weren’t close to making the playoffs - and that has nothing to do with the fact that Barzal carried the team to two straight ECF

Sorokin had the second highest GSAA last season. Isles are a dumpster team without him last year. Without Barzal? Not much changes. They go from being anemic on offense to still being anemic on offense. He's a 60 point player as a 1C because he's not a 1C, he's a mid 6 forward.

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