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Équipe: 2022-23 Canadiens de Montréal
Date de création initiale: 4 août 2022
Publié: 4 août 2022
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
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Thoughts?

Who says no on these trade?

I assume they would resell Severson at the TDL.
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  1. Dvorak, Christian
  2. Norlinder, Mattias
  3. Choix de 1e ronde en 2023 (FLA)
  4. Choix de 2e ronde en 2024 (COL)
  5. Choix de 3e ronde en 2025 (MTL)
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top 5 protected
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NJD
  1. Drouin, Jonathan
  2. Choix de 2e ronde en 2023 (MTL)
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4 août 2022 à 4 h 59
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Hard pass for Jets why are you adding top 5 protected on Floridas pick..
4 août 2022 à 5 h 0
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Hard pass for Jets why are you adding top 5 protected on Floridas pick..


Why a hard pass from Jets? And just in case the pick ends up being top 5? Weirder stuff has happened in sports before. Teams get massacred by injuries and good teams on paper to start the year get crushed. Happens every few years. Heck happened to Tampa several years back.
4 août 2022 à 5 h 1
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Oilers say no.
NJ says no, especially if there is no retention on Drouin
Winnipeg accepts if the first rnd pick isnt protected
4 août 2022 à 5 h 3
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Why a hard pass from Jets? And just in case the pick ends up being top 5? Weirder stuff has happened in sports before. Teams get massacred by injuries and good teams on paper to start the year get crushed. Happens every few years. Heck happened to Tampa several years back.


Uhm because that gives this bad offer even less worth why would they make this trade is the real question. Is Dvorak some kind of secret god?
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4 août 2022 à 5 h 5
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Oilers say no.
NJ says no, especially if there is no retention on Drouin
Winnipeg accepts if the first rnd pick isnt protected


Wpg does not accept even if its unprotected its still a projected late 1st
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4 août 2022 à 5 h 6
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Wpg does not accept even if its unprotected its still a projected late 1st


You are right. My bad, I didnt realize it was Florida's pick and not Montreal's.
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4 août 2022 à 5 h 13
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Devils for sure say no. Drouin isn't worth his contract, and even if you say it's potential, the Devils could get more for Severson at the deadline.
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4 août 2022 à 5 h 55
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Jersey and Edmonton say no. I think the Winnipeg one is fair value I just don't know exactly what they would want for pld.
4 août 2022 à 8 h 20
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Wpg does not accept even if its unprotected its still a projected late 1st


Serious question here, what do you think the Jets are going to get for Dubois at either the 2023 TDL or the 2024 TDL? He is a rental for both years and only contending teams will be in on him, therefore any 1st they get back will be a late 1st! Dvorak averages about 35 points per season, Dubois averages about 45 points per season (I averaged both players totals over 5 seasons throwing out PLD's 5 game season and Dvorak's 20 game season). PLD is the better player offensively but not a whole lot (10 points per season is the difference), defensively they are pretty equal and in the faceoff circle it's not even close Dvorak kills Dubois 52.4 to 44.6. All this to say that value wise between Dvorak and Dubois you are looking at a difference of a 1st + 2nd or for Dvorak and a 1st + 2nd + 3rd or 2 1sts for Dubois . You aren't getting a kings ransom because Dubois 1. Has already said he isn't signing long term anywhere right now. 2. He just is not much better than Dvorak to begin with.
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4 août 2022 à 8 h 44
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Jets don't want or need another Norlinder type dman, replace him with a different prospect that's not a LHD unless it's Guhle but you probably don't want to trade him.
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4 août 2022 à 8 h 50
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Serious question here, what do you think the Jets are going to get for Dubois at either the 2023 TDL or the 2024 TDL? He is a rental for both years and only contending teams will be in on him, therefore any 1st they get back will be a late 1st! Dvorak averages about 35 points per season, Dubois averages about 45 points per season (I averaged both players totals over 5 seasons throwing out PLD's 5 game season and Dvorak's 20 game season). PLD is the better player offensively but not a whole lot (10 points per season is the difference), defensively they are pretty equal and in the faceoff circle it's not even close Dvorak kills Dubois 52.4 to 44.6. All this to say that value wise between Dvorak and Dubois you are looking at a difference of a 1st + 2nd or for Dvorak and a 1st + 2nd + 3rd or 2 1sts for Dubois . You aren't getting a kings ransom because Dubois 1. Has already said he isn't signing long term anywhere right now. 2. He just is not much better than Dvorak to begin with.


Apparently some team will beat this offer for Dubois at one of the next two trade deadlines.
I don't see it but there's many Jets fans that seem entrenched in that belief.
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4 août 2022 à 9 h 14
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Severson would get higher return at deadline, so NJD would just keep him until then. Still a chance we could extend him too.
4 août 2022 à 9 h 16
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All teams that aren't Montreal easily say no.
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4 août 2022 à 9 h 36
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Hard pass for Jets why are you adding top 5 protected on Floridas pick..

Cause ever since the Ottawa followed by the SJ thing happened most trades involve some kind of lottery protection for the "what if" part of life?

Quoting: Jets12Kozy
Uhm because that gives this bad offer even less worth why would they make this trade is the real question. Is Dvorak some kind of secret god?

Is PLD some kind of secret god? Dude has a .66 career ppg, his ethic hasn't always been a point of emphasis in his game but he's 6'3" so this site thinks he's the greatest center alive.
4 août 2022 à 10 h 12
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Jets Decline
4 août 2022 à 11 h 3
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Quoting: Campabee
Serious question here, what do you think the Jets are going to get for Dubois at either the 2023 TDL or the 2024 TDL? He is a rental for both years and only contending teams will be in on him, therefore any 1st they get back will be a late 1st! Dvorak averages about 35 points per season, Dubois averages about 45 points per season (I averaged both players totals over 5 seasons throwing out PLD's 5 game season and Dvorak's 20 game season). PLD is the better player offensively but not a whole lot (10 points per season is the difference), defensively they are pretty equal and in the faceoff circle it's not even close Dvorak kills Dubois 52.4 to 44.6. All this to say that value wise between Dvorak and Dubois you are looking at a difference of a 1st + 2nd or for Dvorak and a 1st + 2nd + 3rd or 2 1sts for Dubois . You aren't getting a kings ransom because Dubois 1. Has already said he isn't signing long term anywhere right now. 2. He just is not much better than Dvorak to begin with.


Dvorak has averaged 0.5 ppg and Dubois 0.66 ppg since coming into the season. Dubois is two years younger and has a ton more potential. Dvorak at 26 looks to max out at around a 40 point guy and is not really worth his contract. Not saying good awful or a cap dump but just over paid by a little bit. Dubois has shown the potential to be a ppg player if not more. I will admit that Dubois forcing his way out Columbus is a huge douchebag move but this situation in Winnipeg isn't that ridiculous. He told the team he won't sign long term, players do that all the time of they don't want to play in that city. Any team trading for him will likely already have an extension on paper. Now value wise this trade isn't awful but they will get something more to their needs than this.
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4 août 2022 à 11 h 5
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Severson would get higher return at deadline, so NJD would just keep him until then. Still a chance we could extend him too.


I agree, look at what Chiarot got. I personally think Severson is better and plays the right side so return should be decent without having to take a bad contract back.
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Dadonov has a no-trade clause. norlinder, nobody wants it.
4 août 2022 à 13 h 33
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All teams that aren't Montreal easily say no.

As usual.
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4 août 2022 à 13 h 39
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Cause ever since the Ottawa followed by the SJ thing happened most trades involve some kind of lottery protection for the "what if" part of life?


Is PLD some kind of secret god? Dude has a .66 career ppg, his ethic hasn't always been a point of emphasis in his game but he's 6'3" so this site thinks he's the greatest center alive.


I mean, Montreal just paid a King's ransom for Dach, who is *check's notes* a career 0.39 P/GP scorer. But he's 6'4, so...
4 août 2022 à 19 h 48
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Quoting: MisstheWhalers
Apparently some team will beat this offer for Dubois at one of the next two trade deadlines.
I don't see it but there's many Jets fans that seem entrenched in that belief.


They can easily get both a better Nhler and/or actually useful/legit prospect plus pick. Dubois is 10x the player Dvorak is already plus potential being younger. Again why would the Jets take this deal nothing in it for them at all.
4 août 2022 à 20 h 1
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They can easily get both a better Nhler and/or actually useful/legit prospect plus pick. Dubois is 10x the player Dvorak is already plus potential being younger. Again why would the Jets take this deal nothing in it for them at all.


Okay, start making some posts of what these potential returns for Dubois will be then.

This is not a nothing return AND Dubois' value will be down around the league with his intentions being well known, why so many want to disregard that Idk.
4 août 2022 à 20 h 3
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Quoting: MisstheWhalers
Okay, start making some posts of what these potential returns for Dubois will be then.

This is not a nothing return AND Dubois' value will be down around the league with his intentions being well known, why so many want to disregard that Idk.


Like Tkachuks value was down? I've made plenty of posts
4 août 2022 à 20 h 7
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Like Tkachuks value was down? I've made plenty of posts


Tkachuk was a different scenario, no comparison really.

You've made plenty of Dubois trade posts?

Sorry I haven't seen them if you have.
4 août 2022 à 20 h 55
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Quoting: MisstheWhalers
Tkachuk was a different scenario, no comparison really.

You've made plenty of Dubois trade posts?

Sorry I haven't seen them if you have.


Posted some now for you
 
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