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What Are We Waiting For

Créé par: Terry_AkiSauce
Date de création initiale: 3 août 2022
Publié: 3 août 2022
Équipe: 2022-23 Maple Leafs de Toronto
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RFAANSCAP HIT
Sandin, Rasmus22 000 000 $
UFAANSCAP HIT
Stastny, Paul23 000 000 $
Transactions
1.
TOR
  1. Mahura, Josh
  2. Choix de 2024 ronde en 5e (ANA)
ANA
  1. Muzzin, Jake
2.
TOR
  1. Choix de 2024 ronde en 6e (MIN)
MIN
  1. Holl, Justin
3.
TOR
  1. Peeke, Andrew
CBJ
  1. Choix de 2023 ronde en 3e (TOR)
  2. Choix de 2024 ronde en 2e (TOR)
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TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2282 500 000 $81 289 783 $212 500 $0 $1 210 217 $
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Bunting, Michael
950 000 $
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UFA - 1
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Matthews, Auston
11 640 250 $
C
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Marner, Mitchell
10 903 000 $
AD
UFA - 3
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Robertson, Nicholas
796 667 $
AG
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Tavares, John
11 000 000 $
C
NMC
UFA - 3
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Nylander, William
6 962 366 $
AD, AG
UFA - 2
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Kerfoot, Alexander
3 500 000 $
AG, AD
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UFA - 1
Stastny, Paul
3 000 000 $
AG, C
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Järnkrok, Calle
2 100 000 $
AG, AD
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UFA - 4
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Engvall, Pierre
2 250 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 1
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Kämpf, David
1 500 000 $
C
UFA - 1
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Aubé-Kubel, Nicolas
1 000 000 $
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UFA - 1
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Rielly, Morgan
7 500 000 $
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NMC
UFA - 8
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Brodie, TJ
5 000 000 $
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NTC
UFA - 2
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Murray, Matt
4 687 500 $
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M-NTC
UFA - 2
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Sandin, Rasmus
2 000 000 $
DG
RFA - 2
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Peeke, Andrew
787 500 $
DD
UFA - 1
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Samsonov, Ilya
1 800 000 $
G
RFA - 1
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Giordano, Mark
800 000 $
DG
UFA - 2
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Liljegren, Timothy
1 400 000 $
DD
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Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
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Gaudette, Adam
750 000 $
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Benn, Jordie
750 000 $
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UFA - 1

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3 août 2022 à 14 h 59
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I really like these moves. This team is way better
3 août 2022 à 15 h 0
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Muzzin costs a 1st++ to dump, 5 teams that can take his cap hit on without sending cap back before you even consider he can say no to all of those teams, and he has a second year on top
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3 août 2022 à 15 h 3
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The ducks are waiting for you to start adding picks to that Muzzin trade
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3 août 2022 à 15 h 5
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Quoting: Salzy
Muzzin costs a 1st++ to dump, 5 teams that can take his cap hit on without sending cap back before you even consider he can say no to all of those teams, and he has a second year on top


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The ducks are waiting for you to start adding picks to that Muzzin trade


Just confirming that Ryan McDonagh got traded with 4 years left at 6.75M without Tampa having to give up any assets and that I didn't dream it
3 août 2022 à 15 h 6
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CBJ says no. Peeke is our best defensive defenseman on a team with 4 puck moving defenseman
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3 août 2022 à 15 h 8
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CBJ says no. Peeke is our best defensive defenseman on a team with 4 puck moving defenseman


Gavrikov is the best defensive defenseman we have. Peeke is probably the best RHD we have.
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3 août 2022 à 15 h 9
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CBJ says no. Peeke is our best defensive defenseman on a team with 4 puck moving defenseman


Honestly I'd be happy for Dubas to overpay for him, whatever it takes with picks & prospects (not including Knies or Niemela)
3 août 2022 à 15 h 18
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Holl would be a future considerations type move for MIN so if you add a third on your side and future considerations, sure.
3 août 2022 à 15 h 19
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Holl would be a future considerations type move for MIN so if you add a third on your side and future considerations, sure.


Lol
3 août 2022 à 15 h 20
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Just confirming that Ryan McDonagh got traded with 4 years left at 6.75M without Tampa having to give up any assets and that I didn't dream it


He is still a lot better then Muzzin, and has been injured less. This was also before every team with Cap flexibility used all of that cap.
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3 août 2022 à 15 h 20
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Lol


He would be the 9th defenseman on the roster.
3 août 2022 à 15 h 41
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Just confirming that Ryan McDonagh got traded with 4 years left at 6.75M without Tampa having to give up any assets and that I didn't dream it


I see you completely skipped over my point about 5 teams being able to afford Muzzin without sending cap back at this point

And I don’t see Muzzin waiving to play in ARI, BUF or CHI

That leaves ANA and DET

But keep dreaming 😂
3 août 2022 à 17 h 18
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I see you completely skipped over my point about 5 teams being able to afford Muzzin without sending cap back at this point

And I don’t see Muzzin waiving to play in ARI, BUF or CHI

That leaves ANA and DET

But keep dreaming 😂


I skipped over it cause you completely made it up, there's this website called capfriendly where you can actually see how much capspace teams have - check it out!
3 août 2022 à 17 h 27
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I skipped over it cause you completely made it up, there's this website called capfriendly where you can actually see how much capspace teams have - check it out!


Yes I have checked it out, and it appears you may be struggling with the math! That’s okay I can help you.

All the teams with enough cap space to fit in Jake Muzzin without sending cap back (or dumping it elsewhere) are:

Anaheim
Arizona
Buffalo
Chicago
Dallas
Detroit
New York Islanders
Ottawa
Winnipeg

Now let’s to the very simple eliminating of teams that still have RFAs or other roster filling to sign that would push them out of the range that can take Muzzin on, that leaves:

Anaheim
Arizona
Buffalo
Chicago
Detroit

Now let’s do the simple elimination of Teams Muzzin (to be fair isn’t impossible) wouldn’t waive for

That leaves:
Anaheim
Detroit

But yeah I made that up tears of joy

If you need any other help with math, cap space, or team building this great website called CapFriendly is completely free!
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3 août 2022 à 17 h 32
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Quoting: Salzy
Yes I have checked it out, and it appears you may be struggling with the math! That’s okay I can help you.

All the teams with enough cap space to fit in Jake Muzzin without sending cap back (or dumping it elsewhere) are:

Anaheim
Arizona
Buffalo
Chicago
Dallas
Detroit
New York Islanders
Ottawa
Winnipeg

Now let’s to the very simple eliminating of teams that still have RFAs or other roster filling to sign that would push them out of the range that can take Muzzin on, that leaves:

Anaheim
Arizona
Buffalo
Chicago
Detroit

Now let’s do the simple elimination of Teams Muzzin (to be fair isn’t impossible) wouldn’t waive for

That leaves:
Anaheim
Detroit

But yeah I made that up tears of joy

If you need any other help with math, cap space, or team building this great website called CapFriendly is completely free!


It's painful how many people don't go further than just looking at what the cap number beside each team is. Solid breakdown.
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3 août 2022 à 17 h 34
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It's painful how many people don't go further than just looking at what the cap number beside each team is. Solid breakdown.


Math is hard and combining math with common hockey knowledge is super duper hard

It’s easier to claim someone made something up or doesn’t know anything
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3 août 2022 à 18 h 40
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Quoting: Salzy
Yes I have checked it out, and it appears you may be struggling with the math! That’s okay I can help you.

All the teams with enough cap space to fit in Jake Muzzin without sending cap back (or dumping it elsewhere) are:

Anaheim
Arizona
Buffalo
Chicago
Dallas
Detroit
New York Islanders
Ottawa
Winnipeg

Now let’s to the very simple eliminating of teams that still have RFAs or other roster filling to sign that would push them out of the range that can take Muzzin on, that leaves:

Anaheim
Arizona
Buffalo
Chicago
Detroit

Now let’s do the simple elimination of Teams Muzzin (to be fair isn’t impossible) wouldn’t waive for

That leaves:
Anaheim
Detroit

But yeah I made that up tears of joy

If you need any other help with math, cap space, or team building this great website called CapFriendly is completely free!


So, why can't Ottawa acquire him? $8M in cap space with only Formenton and Brannstrom to sign, the former maybe not being signed and the ladder likely for very cheap.

Not saying the Jets need him but they could afford to acquire him as well mathematically, so we're already up to 7 teams.

Also, impossible to say what Muzzin thinks but I could see him waiving for a team like Buffalo, still close to home and they actually don't look like a horrible roster.

Not to mention, as I used McDonagh's trade as a reference, a team that has $3-5M in cap space could acquire Muzzin and the Leafs would still shed cap by taking a $1-3M contract back.
3 août 2022 à 18 h 55
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So, why can't Ottawa acquire him? $8M in cap space with only Formenton and Brannstrom to sign, the former maybe not being signed and the ladder likely for very cheap.

Not saying the Jets need him but they could afford to acquire him as well mathematically, so we're already up to 7 teams.

Also, impossible to say what Muzzin thinks but I could see him waiving for a team like Buffalo, still close to home and they actually don't look like a horrible roster.

Not to mention, as I used McDonagh's trade as a reference, a team that has $3-5M in cap space could acquire Muzzin and the Leafs would still shed cap by taking a $1-3M contract back.


Formenton and Brannstrom easily take up 3M by themselves and then they can’t afford him

The jets cannot afford him they wouldn’t have a full roster so no there too

So again down to a best case 5, none of which are contending so none of which would go out of their way to pay for him

Even if he would waive for Buffalo they have no spot for him with Power coming up

But you fail to mention Nashville is a playoff contending team. And for all the possible Muzzin suitors none of them are contenders.

The leafs can’t afford to take cap back without dumping someone else 😂
3 août 2022 à 19 h 1
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Formenton and Brannstrom easily take up 3M by themselves and then they can’t afford him

The jets cannot afford him they wouldn’t have a full roster so no there too

So again down to a best case 5, none of which are contending so none of which would go out of their way to pay for him

Even if he would waive for Buffalo they have no spot for him with Power coming up

But you fail to mention Nashville is a playoff contending team. And for all the possible Muzzin suitors none of them are contenders.

The leafs can’t afford to take cap back without dumping someone else 😂


I don't think your Ottawa contract assessment is correct at all when considering external factors.

Jets would be sending one of their current defensemen to the AHL (Samberg or Stanley), Muzzin would then technically only be adding 4.7M to the cap. They still then have just under $4M to add a couple of bottom 6 forwards.

Nashville can contend for playoffs all they want but it's not like McDonagh thinks hes going to win a cup on that team.

Finally, Leafs can definitely afford to take cap back as you can see from literally the post you're commenting on. 1.2M in cap space with a $3M addition of a 3C that they don't need, Kampf can play that role or they can get someone for $2M and take on a player making about $2.2M.
3 août 2022 à 22 h 23
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Honestly I'd be happy for Dubas to overpay for him, whatever it takes with picks & prospects (not including Knies or Niemela)

Well, we've got a glut of forwards so that's not a need, we have a ton of LD so that's not a need, we have an extremely deep prospect pool so that's not a need, and we have virtually no cap space available. So... nope, not realistically possible.
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