a new JT Miller proposal

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Créé par: AG_sweden

Équipe: 2022-23 Rangers de New York

Date de création initiale: 1 août 2022

Publié: 1 août 2022

Mode - plafond salarial: Basique

Description

- whoever doesn't make the roster of Höglander or Kravtsov can / should be moved for pick or prospect. Preferably a center prospect.
- Schneider is a Trouba 2.0, sadly we already have Trouba 1.0 and with a gross overpayment with 8 M av. And that contract isn't getting moved so, we are stuck with him.
- BUT if we can get at least one CUP win, by sending Schneider to VAN I think it is worth it.
- by the way love Schneider, and he has the best chance to develop in VAN.
- Betting on Lundkvist to be a serviceable 6th d-am at least, which I definitely think he can be/is.
- Betting that this will give us three equally dangerous lines that can score (taking after AVS philosophy)
- with the first round pick 2023 NYR should get center prospect.

Transactions

NYR

Höglander, Nils
Miller, J.T. (2 000 000 $ retained)

VAN

Chytil, Filip
Schneider, Braden
Choix de 1e ronde en 2024 (NYR)

Détails additionnels:

- a not protected first 2024 pick
- Höglander as a sweetener

NYR

Choix de 4e ronde en 2023 (CHI)

CHI

Gauthier, Julien
Reaves, Ryan
Choix de 2e ronde en 2023 (NYR)

Rachats de contrats

Kevin Shattenkirk: 1 433 333 $
Dan Girardi: 1 111 111 $
Anthony Deangelo: 883 334 $
Brad Richards: 0 $

Repêchage	1e ronde	2e ronde	3e ronde	4e ronde	5e ronde	6e ronde	7e ronde
2023
2024
2025

FORMATION

VUE À LONG TERME

INTÉGRÉ

TEXTE INTÉGRÉ

TAILLE DE LA FORMATION	PLAFOND SALARIAL	CAP HIT	EXCÉDENTS	BONIS	ESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
21	82 500 000 $	80 766 469 $	0 $	4 150 000 $	1 733 531 $

Formation

Ailier gauche	Centre	Ailier droit
Kreider, Chris 6 500 000 $6 500 000 $ AG NMC UFA - 5	Zibanejad, Mika 8 500 000 $8 500 000 $ C NMC UFA - 8	Kakko, Kaapo 2 100 000 $2 100 000 $ AD RFA - 2
Panarin, Artemi 11 642 857 $11 642 857 $ AG NMC UFA - 4	Trocheck, Vincent 5 625 000 $5 625 000 $ C, AD NMC UFA - 7	Kravtsov, Vitali 875 000 $875 000 $ AG, AD RFA - 1
Lafrenière, Alexis 925 000 $925 000 $ (2 850 000 $$3M) AG, AD RFA - 1	Miller, J.T. 3 250 000 $3 250 000 $ C, AG, AD UFA - 1	Blais, Samuel 1 525 000 $1 525 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 1
Hunt, Dryden 762 500 $762 500 $ AG, AD UFA - 1	Goodrow, Barclay 3 641 667 $3 641 667 $ C, AG M-NTC UFA - 5	Carpenter, Ryan 750 000 $750 000 $ AD, C UFA - 1

Défenseur gaucher	Défenseur droitier	Gardien de but
Lindgren, Ryan 3 000 000 $3 000 000 $ DG RFA - 2	Fox, Adam 9 500 000 $9 500 000 $ DD UFA - 7	Shesterkin, Igor 5 666 667 $5 666 667 $ G UFA - 3
Miller, K'Andre 925 000 $925 000 $ (400 000 $$400K) DG RFA - 1	Trouba, Jacob 8 000 000 $8 000 000 $ DD NMC UFA - 4	Halák, Jaroslav 1 500 000 $1 500 000 $ (50 000 $$50K) G NMC UFA - 1
Jones, Zachary 925 000 $925 000 $ DG RFA - 1	Lundkvist, Nils 925 000 $925 000 $ (850 000 $$850K) DD RFA - 2
Hájek, Libor 800 000 $800 000 $ DG UFA - 1

Unités spéciales

Avantage numérique 1
Kreider, C.		Zibanejad, M.		Kravtsov, V.
	Panarin, A.		Fox, A.

Avantage numérique 2
Lafrenière, A.		Trocheck, V.		Kakko, K.
	Jones, Z.		Miller, J.

Infériorité numérique 1
	Zibanejad, M.	Kakko, K.
	Lindgren, R.	Fox, A.

Infériorité numérique 2
	Trocheck, V.	Goodrow, B.
	Miller, K.	Trouba, J.

1 août 2022 à 3 h 25

Hitagi_Senpai

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I think the Canucks prefer 2023 since it will help them sooner.

As for the trade, it's not really far off value wise, Miller would have to have agreed to an extension before the trade I'm assuming.

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1 août 2022 à 3 h 27

Juiceman

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Hoglander isn’t a sweetener lmao. He’s a 21 year old with 2 years of NHL top 9 experience. This trade is basically Hoglander for 2024 first, and Miller for Chytil and Schneider. Canucks are losing a lot of value here

1 août 2022 à 3 h 29

AG_sweden

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Quoting: Hitagi_Senpai

I think the Canucks prefer 2023 since it will help them sooner.

As for the trade, it's not really far off value wise, Miller would have to have agreed to an extension before the trade I'm assuming.

I don't think VAN would want a first round pick the year NYR will be the strongest (on paper at least) Besides if it wouldn't work out for NYR then they could land decent center prospects in 2023 draft.

This is purely rental proposal.

Only if NYR can / are willing to move Panarin then extension talk with J.T would be possible (and don't think Panarin would wave his no-move clause either)

1 août 2022 à 3 h 31

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Quoting: Juiceman

I think so too. I would prefer the package OP posted in their last acgm. If Van is moving Hoglander in this deal then NY would likely have to add another pick or take back a contract like poolman. Maybe move the pick to 2023 to add value as well

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1 août 2022 à 3 h 32

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Quoting: Juiceman

Same Höglander that isn't listed in the lineup as of now? It is clear he isn't seen that favorably by Bruce. It is either that, or top 10 - 15 protected first round pick 2024. NYR doesn't need Höglander.
J.T. Miller VAN will lose to free agency one year from now. We can keep Schneider, our first and Chytil and you can sit there with nothing

1 août 2022 à 3 h 33

adamsandler

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Quoting: AG_sweden

Fair enough. If this is what Van can get at the deadline as a pure rental trade, I think they should take it.

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1 août 2022 à 3 h 42

Juiceman

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Quoting: AG_sweden

Hoglander is on our roster what are you talking about? He has a sophomore slump like a lot of people and everybody wants to dump him immediately like come on. He’s top 8 in production for the 2019 draft year

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1 août 2022 à 3 h 43

Wqrrior

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Still think these trades always end up benefitting the Rangers, but at least this one is a new take.

1 août 2022 à 3 h 46

AG_sweden

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Quoting: Juiceman

But Bruce wasn't coaching then. Your only as good as last year performance.

1 août 2022 à 3 h 47

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Jt will regress at will be cheaper if the Rangers want him at the TDL. This is a massive overpay for a rental.

1 août 2022 à 3 h 50

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Quoting: Wqrrior

Still think these trades always end up benefitting the Rangers, but at least this one is a new take.

I don't agree - NYR get one year of Miller and perhaps a prospect in Höglander trade. Or a top 9 player in Höglander. That is it.

VAN gets possible D-man partner with Hughes. They get top 9 C/F in Chytil and first round pick in a year of weakened roster for NYR.

But hey, lets do like this then. Remove Höglander (NYR don't need him) and instead a top 10 protected first round pick 2024.

And if that is not acceptable - well then no trade then.

I wonder where Miller will be playing a year from now ? :P

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1 août 2022 à 3 h 51

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Quoting: AG_sweden

But Bruce wasn't coaching then. Your only as good as last year performance.

Quoting: AG_sweden

But Bruce wasn't coaching then. Your only as good as last year performance.

By that logic that means Miller is a top 10 player in the league because he was top 10 in points this past season. Worth more than everyone on your roster. Do you see how flawed your logic is?

1 août 2022 à 3 h 52

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Quoting: jschultz18

Jt will regress at will be cheaper if the Rangers want him at the TDL. This is a massive overpay for a rental.

This a all in move to win at least one CUP with the horrible Trouba contract. And I don't think it is that massive overpayment. Lundkvist is still okay player/ prospect.

1 août 2022 à 3 h 53

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Quoting: Juiceman

By that logic that means Miller is a top 10 player in the league because he was top 10 in points this past season. Worth more than everyone on your roster. Do you see how flawed your logic is?

f- it no trade then. Get nothing for Miller it is up to VAN

1 août 2022 à 4 h 24

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Quoting: AG_sweden

f- it no trade then. Get nothing for Miller it is up to VAN

You’re acting like the Canucks have to trade Miller to New York ffs. Please grow up and expand your mind a bit

1 août 2022 à 4 h 28

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Quoting: Juiceman

You’re acting like the Canucks have to trade Miller to New York ffs. Please grow up and expand your mind a bit

no they don't, definitely not. They can trade him to whomever they like . And telling people to grow up because you disagree isn't being grown up. So walk the walk if you gonna talk the talk.

What I meant is if it is going to be a discussion like you are running I don't want to trade for Miller. That is it

1 août 2022 à 4 h 57

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Quoting: AG_sweden

You keep saying “fine lose him for nothing”
Sounds like a pretty childish argument if you asked me

1 août 2022 à 11 h 42

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Easiest NO THANKS Drury every has to say.

1 août 2022 à 11 h 48

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Quoting: Juiceman

You keep saying “fine lose him for nothing”
Sounds like a pretty childish argument if you asked me

Through out our back n forth you haven't really hold a standard yourself that allows you to go to personal attacks. Read what you reply and then judge others

1 août 2022 à 14 h 47

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I think the Canucks would do this deal.

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1 août 2022 à 14 h 51

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Quoting: delneggs

Easiest NO THANKS Drury every has to say.

easiest next season regret your Drury ever have made then. Worse than Goodrow and Nemeth contract.

1 août 2022 à 15 h 5

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Quoting: AG_sweden

easiest next season regret your Drury ever have made then. Worse than Goodrow and Nemeth contract.

I will trust in the hockey knowledge of the GM that got the 3rd youngest team to the ECF over your opinion.

1 août 2022 à 15 h 15

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Quoting: delneggs

I will trust in the hockey knowledge of the GM that got the 3rd youngest team to the ECF over your opinion.

yeah right, sure. But couldn't we say this about every proposal here ? And I am sure Drury is aware of the issues loaming next year. And he is trying to amend this but teams generally aren't that interested in helping the opposition. Secondly Schneider is Trouba 2.0 problem is we already have Trouba 1.0 and he is costing NYR 8 M for the next 4 years. Next year is going to be a complete dumpster fire...

1 août 2022 à 15 h 26

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Quoting: AG_sweden

Trouba's NMC burns off in 2 years at the exact same time Schneider needs a new contract. That is when Trouba will get moved and Schneider moves into his spot. To trade Schneider is penny wise and pound foolish IMO and Drury isn't going to do it. And Trouba's contract will be moveable in 2 years when he is only 30....they moved out Staal's entire contract when he was older than that and was half the player Trouba will be then.

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1 août 2022 à 15 h 39

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Quoting: delneggs

okay, no trade. I'm convinced

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