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Miller to Toronto

Créé par: Warpbox
Équipe: 2022-23 Canucks de Vancouver
Date de création initiale: 1 août 2022
Publié: 1 août 2022
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Transactions
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VAN
  1. Holl, Justin
  2. Kerfoot, Alexander
  3. Niemelä, Topi
  4. Choix de 1e ronde en 2023 (TOR)
TOR
  1. Miller, J.T.
  2. Choix de 3e ronde en 2023 (VAN)
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VAN
    Future Considerations
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    1. Dickinson, Jason
    2. Poolman, Tucker
    3. Choix de 4e ronde en 2023 (NYR)
    4. Choix de 2e ronde en 2024 (VAN)
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    VAN
    1. Choix de 3e ronde en 2023 (SEA)
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    1 août 2022 à 0 h 28
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    Jetfoil and Holl are useless to us. They are essentially cap dumps in this deal
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    1 août 2022 à 0 h 41
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    Quoting: Juiceman
    Jetfoil and Holl are useless to us. They are essentially cap dumps in this deal


    Niemela was really good in Liiga this year, I think at most Vancouver gets maybe an extra second round pick. Niemela was third in LIIGA in ppg for defenceman, only behind two 25 year olds. Button ranked him the 21st best NHL prospect and the Hockey Writers named him 29th. I really like him
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    1 août 2022 à 0 h 58
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    Value seems fair more or less. A variation on the ol' first, a prospect and a player.

    The issue I have as the leafs as its so much for a rental that we have zero ability to resign.

    Usually when a team trades for a pending Ufa they plan to at least try to keep the guy if it works well. The leafs simply can't because of the cap. It makes me so hesitant to pay the asking price with that in mind
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    1 août 2022 à 1 h 15
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    Quoting: Warpbox
    Niemela was really good in Liiga this year, I think at most Vancouver gets maybe an extra second round pick. Niemela was third in LIIGA in ppg for defenceman, only behind two 25 year olds. Button ranked him the 21st best NHL prospect and the Hockey Writers named him 29th. I really like him


    I’m not complaining about Niemala. I’m simply saying that Kerfoot and Holl bring no value to Vancouver
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    1 août 2022 à 1 h 21
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    Quoting: Juiceman
    I’m not complaining about Niemala. I’m simply saying that Kerfoot and Holl bring no value to Vancouver


    I only really added Holl to make the cap work. Kerfoot could likely be resigned for 3 c though
    1 août 2022 à 2 h 55
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    Why do all Canucks Miller trades to TO either have Kerfoot and Holl as "key pieces" or 1 for 1 on Nylander.

    Both of those trades don't help us.
    1 août 2022 à 10 h 6
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    Quoting: Hitagi_Senpai
    Why do all Canucks Miller trades to TO either have Kerfoot and Holl as "key pieces" or 1 for 1 on Nylander.

    Both of those trades don't help us.


    It doesn't have them as key pieces. It makes the money work.
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    1 août 2022 à 12 h 2
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    Quoting: Juiceman
    Jetfoil and Holl are useless to us. They are essentially cap dumps in this deal


    I’m sad you genuinely believe that. For Kerfoot anyway. Holl I can’t get rid of fast enough.
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    1 août 2022 à 13 h 15
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    I’m sad you genuinely believe that. For Kerfoot anyway. Holl I can’t get rid of fast enough.


    Do you really think the Canucks have any use for 2 rentals? They don’t, hence, useless to the canucks
    1 août 2022 à 13 h 46
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    Quoting: Juiceman
    Do you really think the Canucks have any use for 2 rentals? They don’t, hence, useless to the canucks


    They could likely resign Kerfoot, I'm sure he'd love to play here
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    They could likely resign Kerfoot, I'm sure he'd love to play here


    But he’s probably looking to get paid around 5 million dollars. I don’t think we should be paying a third liner 5 million dollars again
    1 août 2022 à 15 h 30
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    But he’s probably looking to get paid around 5 million dollars. I don’t think we should be paying a third liner 5 million dollars again


    I Doubt he gets anymore then 3 million (with Vancouver at least, since hometown discount) which isn't that bad for a 3 c
    1 août 2022 à 17 h 23
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    oh my god stop with miller to toronto trades
    1 août 2022 à 17 h 29
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    Quoting: Warpbox
    I Doubt he gets anymore then 3 million (with Vancouver at least, since hometown discount) which isn't that bad for a 3 c


    If Kerfoot accepts 3-3.25M over a medium term deal to play for the Canucks, maybe Vancouver would entertain the idea of acquiring him, but they aren't giving him any more money than that
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    Quoting: odyssey
    oh my god stop with miller to toronto trades


    There are barely any of them lately. I could not find one scrolling through several trades of Capfriendly. Stop making a problem out of nothing
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    1 août 2022 à 21 h 21
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    Quoting: Juiceman
    Do you really think the Canucks have any use for 2 rentals? They don’t, hence, useless to the canucks


    Kerfoot isn’t just a 3C he can play anywhere in the lineup, in all situations. Kerfoot is making 5 mill easy. Hometown discount or not.
    1 août 2022 à 21 h 24
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    Kerfoot isn’t just a 3C he can play anywhere in the lineup, in all situations. Kerfoot is making 5 mill easy. Hometown discount or not.


    Well the Canucks don’t need him. Have you even seen our top 9? Kerfoot isn’t scratching our top 6, his only spot is as a 3C which we don’t have the cap space to spend 5 mil on
    1 août 2022 à 21 h 27
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    Quoting: Warpbox
    It doesn't have them as key pieces. It makes the money work.


    Yeah but literally EVERY trade with them both "as money work" pieces are just like a second, Kerfoot, Holl and Topi

    Sorry but everything there is not of interest to us
    1 août 2022 à 21 h 35
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    Kerfoot isn’t just a 3C he can play anywhere in the lineup, in all situations. Kerfoot is making 5 mill easy. Hometown discount or not.


    I highly doubt anyone can afford to pay Kerfoot 5 million right now
    1 août 2022 à 21 h 36
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    Yeah but literally EVERY trade with them both "as money work" pieces are just like a second, Kerfoot, Holl and Topi

    Sorry but everything there is not of interest to us


    Topi Niemela could be really good, that along with a first would be great for Vancouver
    1 août 2022 à 21 h 48
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    Topi Niemela could be really good, that along with a first would be great for Vancouver


    But that alone, plus the Holl and Kerfoot that are always on the trade aren't appealing enough for Miller.
    1 août 2022 à 21 h 58
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    Quoting: Hitagi_Senpai
    But that alone, plus the Holl and Kerfoot that are always on the trade aren't appealing enough for Miller.

    Niemela is an incredible prospect. That and a first is a great return for Miller
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    2 août 2022 à 0 h 54
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    Quoting: Warpbox
    Niemela is an incredible prospect. That and a first is a great return for Miller


    No a low B level prospect and essentially a second round pick, are far from great return for miller...
    2 août 2022 à 9 h 15
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    Quoting: Hitagi_Senpai
    No a low B level prospect and essentially a second round pick, are far from great return for miller...


    Niemela is ranked the 21st best prospect by TSN and 29th by the hockey writers (at the least in midseason) out of all NHL prospects. The first likely falls between 24-30 which is still nice to have for the prospect pool. The market for forwards isn't good right now
    2 août 2022 à 22 h 57
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    Quoting: Warpbox
    Niemela is ranked the 21st best prospect by TSN and 29th by the hockey writers (at the least in midseason) out of all NHL prospects. The first likely falls between 24-30 which is still nice to have for the prospect pool. The market for forwards isn't good right now


    Topi is not that good. Homer rankings tbh (TSN is like the king of over hyping certain players) He's a B level prospect. And a 24th-30th pick is not "that great" it's likely a middle line player.

    The market is always good for forwards. It's just teams don't want to sell low, when they know if they wait they can get the high price.

    Topi and a 24th-30th aren't even half of millers value.
     
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