Quoting: MP55
Alright let’s go one by one here:
You’re comparing a deal between two bottom six cap dumps to a deal of two franchise number one defencemen. Yes I was very upset when the trade went down. I was 14 at the time and had just got home from a trip to Montreal, one where I bought a jersey at the Bell Center of my favourite player, PK Subban.
That story aside, I would compare a swap like this to the Leafs-Sens Ceci for Zaitsev swap, the dollar for dollar exchange was nearly identical, but Zaitsev’s deal ran much longer than Ceci’s. The leafs got out of that money after one year and the sens are still stuck with that cumbersome contract. The Oilers-Flames trade between Lucic and Neal also serves as a good example, the flames came out of the deal with less cap and are able to get out of the contract this year, while the oilers were forced to buy Neal out and now are trying to build a cup-contending team while being forced to hand out $2 mil to a player who they didn’t want there anymore.
If Goodrow and Armia had the same term on their contracts I’m all for this deal. The issue is the whole paying a bottom six forward over $3 mil in a flat cap world (and we were just about to get out of Byron’s deal!)
I’d like to argue that Goodrow was more of a product of playing with Gourde and Coleman than anything else. If you look at the numbers of the three from last season to this season, Coleman’s stayed roughly the same, Gourde’s dropped a bit but still stayed relatively positive despite playing on the third worst team in the league, while Goodrow’s took a nose-dive this season. Calling that line the Goodrow line is like calling the leafs’ number one line the Bunting line.
Ok if the deal’s Armia, Evans for Goodrow, Lundkvist, and two seconds sure I’ll take that. Usually when people just say “picks” I think 3rd round or worse garbage. Can live with that return.
I'm not Comparing Trades i brought it up to Underline The Context of Cap Deals this summer vs every other year ever.
Its not about those players, Its about WHY those teams had to make those moves
Gone are the days where 6-10 teams have a ton of capspace to bury contracts
Right now there's about 2-3 team maybe and one just added Klingberg so that leaves me questioning if their tanking or rebuilding on the fly via UFA's
You keep trying to ignore this year is different bringing up deals that woulda made sense before.
But being an NBA fan who seen this happen we've hit a point where this will become more and more common
In 2003 you never really seen teams pay to move productive players because of Cap issues
There was always a ton of teams who would take players like that for Cash Considerations
Different league though right? Yup
But built by the guy who helped lay the foundation for this style of business in the NBA
They can raise the cap 20m and teams like TBL,VGK and TML will keep over paying players then paying to move them later on
The more teams that do this the less cap space there will be and the more value it will have.
As a result you'll see more trades 1 for 1 in Cap Swaps or like the Lowry deal trading assets to upgrade a position slightly for the same cap hit
(and MIA payed a lot a Achiuawa gave us our best duo since Davis/Carter.)
But i admit in any other off season your evaluation is correct when it comes to moving cap.
This year though moving productive players cost teams , moving less productive ones would cost a fortune
Coleman's term is the Caviot for NYR giving up the better player and all the quality in the deal.
As for Goude/Coleman making Goodrow
Where did he end up come playoffs ?
Goodrow is a really good Bottom 6 leader
He's paid like one too
Im not trying to sell him as the 2nd coming of Christ.
Just trying to show come playoffs regardless of the team he's on
His play put him deep into the post season
I dont think we're far off on value once you factor in Cap Inflation im gonna call it that we seem to be experiencing .
I just think we're talking now about percieved value of the players contributions to the team long term.
All i can do is assure you in my build Goodrow never becomes a problem for us unless he pulls a Drouin
Then and only then do i think its hard to sell people on this guy
Like Michal Rozinval you're quick to forget him but come playoffs you want him around even if he's not a Point Per Game Player he's a reliable Team Guy